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Belgium To Replace A310's  
User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1920 posts, RR: 7
Posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3853 times:

According to this news bit on a Belgian news site (sorry, Dutch only), the Air Force is to replace it's aging A310's with two new leased airliners, either from Boeing or Airbus.

Both planes will cost the government 10 million euros a year according to the government.

http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/957/Belgie/...e-transportvliegtuigen-huren.dhtml


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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3831 times:

Interesting, since Belgium is part of Airbus I assume it will be Airbus aircraft. Either A319s or A330MRTTs. I believe the A310s currently being used are -200s so they really have an insufficient range.


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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1920 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3789 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 1):
Interesting, since Belgium is part of Airbus I assume it will be Airbus aircraft. Either A319s or A330MRTTs. I believe the A310s currently being used are -200s so they really have an insufficient range.

Well yes, but these planes are to be leased from the commercial market, so I expect that it will be chosen upon pricing and aircraft performance rather than on European interest.

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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3743 times:



Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 2):
Well yes, but these planes are to be leased from the commercial market, so I expect that it will be chosen upon pricing and aircraft performance rather than on European interest.

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You can lease ACJs and BBJs directly from Airbus and Boeing.



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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1920 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3681 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 3):
You can lease ACJs and BBJs directly from Airbus and Boeing.

Certainly, but the A310's are mostly used for hauling troops. So I expect something bigger. What do you get for 10 million euros a year these days...?

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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3938 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3671 times:

This has come up before. My point is still the same, what's basically wrong with two not so old former SIA A310s?

Quoting Columba (Reply 1):
I believe the A310s currently being used are -200s so they really have an insufficient range.

Correct, but nothing is perfect. Yes, they'll have to make a stop or two on the way to Congo or Afghanistan, but is that actually a problem? The A310-200 is impopular with airlines, making it affordable. Hotter airliners will cost a lot more money, and I'd say that is not justified.

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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1920 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3644 times:



Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 5):
This has come up before. My point is still the same, what's basically wrong with two not so old former SIA A310s?

If I remember correctly, the maintenance of the A310's have become a major headache for the BAF, therefore they want to replace them. Their dispatch reliability was rather bad in the last year.

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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12136 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3569 times:

There could be several airliner type on the market now, or will be coming on the market soon from the airlines. These would include the A-300-600R, B-767-200ER, A-310-300, B-767-300ER, as well as the former TZ DC-10-30. and B-757-300.

User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3558 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
There could be several airliner type on the market now, or will be coming on the market soon from the airlines. These would include the A-300-600R, B-767-200ER, A-310-300, B-767-300ER, as well as the former TZ DC-10-30. and B-757-300.

A310-300 or A300-600R would be a good choice since transition time should be minimal and in service date should come quickly. On the flip side, they may have gotten a bad taste in their mouth for A310s, given the alleged maintenance headaches they've had more recently with the current A310s. Hard to say for sure.



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2922 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3472 times:

The Dutch next door have extensive experience with the DC-10, perhaps a cooperative ageement and 2 more airframes...


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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3938 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3443 times:



Quoting Spacepope (Reply 9):
The Dutch next door have extensive experience with the DC-10, perhaps a cooperative ageement and 2 more airframes...

Such an agreement already exists AFAIK...

Peter



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