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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2104 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3625 times:

There has been a lot of CH-47 activity flying over and into DAB this week, which is highly unusual. I hadn't seen a Chinook in probably years but on Tuesday I saw a 47, possibly a MH-47 leaving DAB airport and headed south. My good friend has seen them at least a few times in the last couple of days flying over.

Any idea as to why the sudden influx of 47 activity in the area? I love them so I'm happy about it, just curious.


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3614 times:



Quoting HaveBlue (Thread starter):
There has been a lot of CH-47 activity flying over and into DAB this week, which is highly unusual. I hadn't seen a Chinook in probably years but on Tuesday I saw a 47, possibly a MH-47 leaving DAB airport and headed south. My good friend has seen them at least a few times in the last couple of days flying over.

SOCOM has been acquiring H-47s as of late. They're nearby, at Eglin.



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User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3607 times:



Quoting N328KF (Reply 1):
SOCOM has been acquiring H-47s as of late. They're nearby, at Eglin.

uhhh... lol I guess we have different opinions of what qualifies for "as of late". USSOCOM has had MH47s at their disposal since the mid 80s! And we're not at Eglin, we're at Savannah.

Quoting HaveBlue (Thread starter):
Any idea as to why the sudden influx of 47 activity in the area? I love them so I'm happy about it, just curious.

Anyway, if it was a MH-47 that you saw, it was out of Savannah, and just passing through on training missions in FL. But I suspect it was actually a CH-47. The FLNG 111th AVN Reg, out of Jacksonville, was switched from an attack battalion, to a support battalion of UH-60s.... and CH-47s.

So it was most likely one of their aircraft.

-UH60


User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

Have friends in the area and have been told that Hurlburt is getting some Army helicopter special ops assets to work along side with USAF assets, alot of spec ops 130's have left Hurlburt to there new home in Cannon afb New Mexico


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16857 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3351 times:



Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 3):
Have friends in the area and have been told that Hurlburt is getting some Army helicopter special ops assets to work along side with USAF assets, alot of spec ops 130's have left Hurlburt to there new home in Cannon afb New Mexico

As part of the 2005 BRAC the Army's 7th Special Forces Group is moving from Fort Bragg to Eglin AFB Florida, not sure when the move will take place or if it's happened already. The reasoning behind the move is to get Army Special Ops co located with Air Force Special Ops, it also frees up room at Fort Bragg for the 82nd Airborne's 4 BCT.



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User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3331 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 4):
7th Special Forces Group

They have not made the move yet. The amount of bureaucratic bullshit that has to be completed before this kind of change, is mind-numbing. It eventually will happen, but 7SFG and the USAF are still jumping through the hoops.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 4):
it also frees up room at Fort Bragg for the 82nd Airborne's 4 BCT.

I'm not sure I know what you mean.

All together, perhaps 4000 people will be moved to Eglin. Considering the size of Bragg, I really don't see how their absence will be noticed. So what does 4BCT have to do with 7SFG leaving Bragg? I don't get the connection.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 4):
The reasoning behind the move is to get Army Special Ops co located with Air Force Special Ops

...A segment of Army special ops. This move only means a single group will be colocated with the USAF. Your statement makes it sound like the entire community will be moving down there!

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Anyway, I'm not really sure any of this relates to the subject. 7SFG moving to Eglin is an interesting side discussion, but by no means, does it relate to the CH-47 seen in Daytona Beach, FL.

I will bet my left lung that the Chinook seen in Daytona, was NOT out of Eglin.

-UH60


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16857 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3255 times:



Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 5):
..A segment of Army special ops. This move only means a single group will be co located with the USAF. Your statement makes it sound like the entire community will be moving down there!

It's actually verbatim from the US Army BRAC justification documents, yes I know it's not the entire community. I think the point of the justification was to get Army and Air Force Special Ops together someplace and that someplace was Eglin.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 5):
I'm not sure I know what you mean.

All together, perhaps 4000 people will be moved to Eglin. Considering the size of Bragg, I really don't see how their absence will be noticed. So what does 4BCT have to do with 7SFG leaving Bragg? I don't get the connection.

As part of a separate decision Bragg is going to be getting an influx of Units from Germany, I don't remember the specifics but there's going to be a lot of new construction and movement of existing units around the post to accommodate these new units so take it for what it's worth. The info is also per the US Army BRAC site.



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User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3227 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 6):
As part of a separate decision Bragg is going to be getting an influx of Units from Germany, I don't remember the specifics but there's going to be a lot of new construction and movement of existing units around the post to accommodate these new units so take it for what it's worth. The info is also per the US Army BRAC site.

Yeah I understand that part... but how does this relate to your statement that "the departure of the 7SFG, frees up room for the 4BCT, 82nd DIV"? What I'm saying is, I don't get the connection. Can you explain?

Furthermore, how does this relate to the CH/MH-47 seen in Daytona Beach?

-UH60


User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3182 times:



Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 7):
Furthermore, how does this relate to the CH/MH-47 seen in Daytona Beach?

It is alot more interesting to talk about BRAC issues than discuss one single Chinook over Eglin.



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User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3181 times:

Ft. Wood isn't far away and Whiteman AFB is even closer. Chinooks are a fact of life around here.  Smile


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16857 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3167 times:



Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 7):
"the departure of the 7SFG, frees up room for the 4BCT, 82nd DIV"?

Again this is per the Army BRAC site, but if you take them literally it sounds like the 4th BTC will take over some of the real estate being vacated by the 7SFG at Bragg.

http://www.hqda.army.mil/acsim/brac/...tallationBreakdown/NCFortBragg.pdf

Fort Bragg is to grow from it's current 45,977 to 54,944 post BRAC, and then grow further to 56,349 by 2013 as per the GTA plan. Again back to the connection between the 7SFG and the 4th BCT it seems that the BRAC/Grow the Army plan moves the 4th BCT into 7SFG facilities, thus freeing up room elsewhere for all the follow on units. That's my interpretation of the Army's BRAC justifications:

Not sure where your Billet is today, but I remember you were at Fort Campbell. Fort Campbell is getting modest growth under BRAC/GTA of an additional 5,970 soldiers compared to Fort Braggs big growth of 10,372 additional soldiers by 2013. Fort Bliss is to gain a staggering 25,827 additional troops.

http://www.army.mil/growthearmy/pdf/gta_media_briefing.pdf

Hopefully same changes will be revisited, such as keeping the BCTs in Germany which are tentaively scheduled to return to the US by 2014. I think two BCTs in Europe is way too few, especially with the new African command being established there and a resurgent Russia. 4 BCTs (3 Germany, 1 Italy) in Europe is a better balance (IMO), hopefully the decision to place Baumholder on the Enduring list signals the BCT draw down decision will be revisited. Also there are rumors that Schweinfurt will also be placed on the Enduring list, which would signal a significant change to Rumsfeld's decision about US Army Europe.



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User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3081 times:

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 8):
It is alot more interesting to talk about BRAC issues than discuss one single Chinook over Eglin.

Agreed. But it still fails to answer the question: how does 7SFG's move to Eglin relate to MH-47s flying over Daytona Beach? Not to mention, it fails to answer the OP's original question, of where the mystery H-47 was flying out of.

Indeed, 7SFG has not even moved to Eglin, not do they have organic rotary wing assets. I think it was a valid question to ask.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):
Again this is per the Army BRAC site, but if you take them literally it sounds like the 4th BTC will take over some of the real estate being vacated by the 7SFG at Bragg.

Ok gotcha!

Yeah I read the report you linked, while it certainly was scarce on details, I finally see what you were talking about!

I think the confusion stemmed from you and I being on two different lines of thought. That BRAC report is about 3-4years old, and I was thinking more current events, wise.

See, the 4th BDE is already activated. They were already stood back up, in 2006, and their soldiers are billeted, the HQ buildings for BDE/BN/CO/etc have all been established. So I was confused when you kept talking about "making room for the 4th BDE." ...because it already has happened.

Anyway, the 7SFG move is taking longer. Eglin needed to conduct studies, and allocate sufficient facilities, before the move could be made.

Hope this clears up the confusion.

-UH60

[Edited 2009-01-13 20:55:01]

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