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DOD Announces First 3 F-35 Squadrons  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24785 posts, RR: 46
Posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8648 times:

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First F-35 Squadron Plans Detailed

The first three squadrons of F-35s - with at least 59 aircraft - will be formed at Eglin Air Force Base, Fla., between 2010, when the first aircraft arrives, and mid-2013 when No. 60 is due.

Of the three training squadrons to be stood up, one will be U.S. Air Force with 24 conventional takeoff aircraft, one will be Marine Corps with 20 short-takeoff-and-vertical-landing aircraft and the last, with 15 aircraft, will belong to the Navy.

The Air Force's bed-down decision involves temporary operational limitations on flight training to minimize noise impact in the nearby town of Valparaiso. Meanwhile, supplemental environmental studies will be conducted as the Air Force works on a final study on F-35 noise.

There are to be at least 10 JSF training squadrons formed. The Pentagon is looking at another 156 installations to determine the remaining JSF bases for operations, additional training, depots and combined active-duty/Air National Guard/Reserve units. Production of the F-35 is scheduled to end in 2035.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...20Plans%20Detailed&channel=defense


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User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8544 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Of the three training squadrons to be stood up, one will be U.S. Air Force with 24 conventional takeoff aircraft, one will be Marine Corps with 20 short-takeoff-and-vertical-landing aircraft and the last, with 15 aircraft, will belong to the Navy.

Why consolidate the training when the Marines and Navy have entirely different training requirements? Unless the three services are also going to be doing expanded development work and further weapons evaluations studies on their respective aircraft at Eglin, it doesn't make sense and is totally out of line when compared to previous training program establishment practices.



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User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7042 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8531 times:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the F-35 in the Air Force is going to be replacing the F-16 and the A-10 why are they looking for bases, rather than creating or re-opening new ones, install temp facilities at existing bases and phase out the F-16 and A-10's as the F-35's arrive, can't be cheaper to build new or re-open rather than upgrade. The a/c should be aable to fit in existing hangers used for the a/c it is replacing or am I wrong there also?

User currently offlineHercPPMX From United States of America, joined May 2008, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8317 times:



Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 1):
Why consolidate the training when the Marines and Navy have entirely different training requirements? Unless the three services are also going to be doing expanded development work and further weapons evaluations studies on their respective aircraft at Eglin, it doesn't make sense and is totally out of line when compared to previous training program establishment practices.

Consolidating The Squadron's in one place will allow DOD to use less total TECH REPS from the Contractors and sub-contractors to solve any issue that may arise with the aircraft early on in it's military career. Also since the 3 squadrons will all be in one place any support equipment and/or special maintaince tools will all be available in one location. Also there are security concerns and putting all of the aircraft at an installation that is big with a lot of security lower the chance of any problems. The last point is with all of the BRAC that have gone on in recent years all branches of the military are using each others bases and maybe for the requirements of these 3 squadron's Eglin provided the best location logistically.



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User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4453 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8218 times:

I thought that these environmental studies were all done. With the F-35 replacing both the F-16 and A-10 in the USAF, why don't they start placing Lightnings at Luke AFB and Davis-Montham AFB? The Navy can use Oceania and Lemoore while the Corp can use Miramar and Cherry Hill.


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16810 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8192 times:



Quoting CX747 (Reply 4):
I thought that these environmental studies were all done. With the F-35 replacing both the F-16 and A-10 in the USAF, why don't they start placing Lightnings at Luke AFB and Davis-Montham AFB? The Navy can use Oceania and Lemoore while the Corp can use Miramar and Cherry Hill.

There will be some different bed downs, for instance I believe the Marine Corps is looking to consolidate the F-35s at Yuma, Miramar MCAS would be for C-130Ts, CH-53s and V-22s. And Oceania is not a given for the Navy, the BRAC round demonstrated that there are many folks who would like to move the Squadrons someplace else. I'm sure these studies will address many of those issues.



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User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8124 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
And Oceania is not a given for the Navy, the BRAC round demonstrated that there are many folks who would like to move the Squadrons someplace else. I'm sure these studies will address many of those issues.

What is the issue at Oceana that someone would want those squadrons moved?



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16810 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8043 times:

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 6):
What is the issue at Oceana that someone would want those squadrons moved?

Sprawl encroachment, way too many condos and town houses built under the flight patters of Fighters into and out of Oceania.

The 2005 BRAC committee wanted to move the squadrons to a reopened Cecil Field or Moody AFB Georgia, the local Virginia Politicians agreed to several BRAC demands regarding curtailing sprawl and purchasing land for open space. The BRAC committee stated that if they did not follow through on their demands that Oceania would lose the Squadrons.

http://www.bracresponse.com/faqs.html

[Edited 2009-02-08 18:55:29]


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User currently offlinePanAm788 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8019 times:



Quoting Par13del (Reply 2):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the F-35 in the Air Force is going to be replacing the F-16 and the A-10

They say it will replace the A-10, but it won't. Nothing will or can!

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Of the three training squadrons to be stood up, one will be U.S. Air Force with 24 conventional takeoff aircraft, one will be Marine Corps with 20 short-takeoff-and-vertical-landing aircraft and the last, with 15 aircraft, will belong to the Navy.

Wouldn't it be more efficient for Lockheed to finish all the F-35s for the Air Force, then move on to the Navy or Marines instead of producing all three variants at once?



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User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5414 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7959 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
There will be some different bed downs, for instance I believe the Marine Corps is looking to consolidate the F-35s at Yuma, Miramar MCAS would be for C-130Ts, CH-53s and V-22s.

According to what the military briefed San Diego on, F-35 will be stationed at Miramar:

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The five potential alternatives would designate as few as two or as many as 10 squadrons at Miramar. The F-35s would replace six squadrons of F/A-18 Hornets – about 90 aircraft – at Miramar, plus AV-8 Harriers at the Yuma base.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stori...split-12-f-35-squadrons/?uniontrib

Quoting PanAm788 (Reply 8):
They say it will replace the A-10, but it won't. Nothing will or can!

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Quoting PanAm788 (Reply 8):
Wouldn't it be more efficient for Lockheed to finish all the F-35s for the Air Force, then move on to the Navy or Marines instead of producing all three variants at once?

No, because the other services and partner nations, Britain in particular, do not want to wait ten years for theirs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35_Lightning_II#Variants

Tugg



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