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User currently offlineB767 From Norway, joined Feb 2008, 127 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8432 times:

I seen some F18 hornet landings on television.What surprize me is that they don,t flare the aircraft,just drive it into the runway.It is very easy to understand that they don,t flare on a carrier landing,but on a nice long runway seems strange to me.Wouldn,t it be nice to save some wear and tear on the aircraft

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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8405 times:

I'm asuming you've seen video's of USN and USMC F-18's landings. With carrier landings being a very important part of naval aviation its always pratice, practice, practice. What you are seeing is pilots landing their aircraft like they would on a carrier.

User currently offlineDragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8237 times:

Have to stay proficient in those carrier landings even if you are on dry land!! Not positive, but I do not believe that they always drive it into the deck like that. You could have seen some FCLP (field carrier landing practice), most naval air stations have a carrier landing area painted on the runway. So I know the landings will look the same their. Another thing to keep in mind is many times you will have more than one plane landing at the same time, and if you are the wingman planting the plane on the runway keeps you from "floating" down the runway and possibly passing your lead ( that would be bad on the good bad scale).


Phrogs Phorever
User currently offlineTGIF From Sweden, joined Apr 2008, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8113 times:

Are you referring to Hornets operated by US? In that case I think you got an answer in the posts above.

The Swiss seem to be gentle with their F-18's. Here's a nice Youtube clip with some F-18 landings, and one F-5 in the beginning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBm6xS4urkE


User currently offlineAC788 From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7558 times:



Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 2):

I'm not sure it's a matter of staying proficient in carrier landing technique. The Canadian Air Force CF-18s tend to "ram" into the ground on landing and I believe that's because the F-18s were designed to land on carriers therefore they are also designed to land on a regular runway in the same way.
In fact, while watching a show called "Jetstream" on Discovery Canada, the pilots have to "re-learn" how to land while training in a CF-18 and go against their instinct to flare the aircraft before touchdown.

Let me know what you think... Smile


User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7193 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7287 times:



Quoting AC788 (Reply 4):
The Canadian Air Force CF-18s tend to "ram" into the ground on landing and I believe that's because the F-18s were designed to land on carriers therefore they are also designed to land on a regular runway in the same way.

I would be interested to know if the Canadians do any training with the US Navy, why they try to simulate carrier landings on land. It makes no sense to land the a/c like that if you do not operat a carrier, and your polits do no training or need the knowledge for emergency events like deployment or war. Yes the landing gear is made for "crash landings" but doing that when not needed only means that you wear out the gear much quicker, lets face it, its an a/c and can be landed like any other on land, bet the Canadian's don't use cat shots to take off.  Smile


User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7265 times:



Quoting B767 (Thread starter):
I seen some F18 hornet landings on television.What surprize me is that they don,t flare the aircraft,just drive it into the runway.

RAAF are gentle with our F18s as well. Landings I've seen were almost Concorde like with a very gentle and graceful touch-down.


User currently offlineAC788 From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7232 times:



Quoting Par13del (Reply 5):

I can almost guarantee that the Canadian Air Force lands their F-18s differently than an ordinary aircraft in terms of how much or little it is flared before touchdown. Since the CAF does not land on aircraft carriers this cannot be explained by any sort of currency training. Therefore, I believe that the F-18 is landed differently than other aircraft which appears to be "rougher".

Quoting Par13del (Reply 5):
and your polits do no training or need the knowledge for emergency events like deployment or war.

Not sure what you are attempting to say here but if it's what I think you are trying to say, you clearly have no knowledge of the Canadian Air Force and I would be skeptical of your knowledge in general. Not only does your statement have nothing to do with the landing technique of the F-18, but for your information the Canadian Air Force deployed their F-18s in 1995 NATO bombing in the Bosnia-Herzegovina war. They are used on a regular basis under NORAD defense command to intercept Russian bombers entering the ADIZ around North America.

Just thought I'd throw that information in there for ya.


User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7193 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7095 times:



Quoting AC788 (Reply 7):
Not sure what you are attempting to say here but if it's what I think you are trying to say, you clearly have no knowledge of the Canadian Air Force and I would be skeptical of your knowledge in general. Not only does your statement have nothing to do with the landing technique of the F-18, but for your information the Canadian Air Force deployed their F-18s in 1995 NATO bombing in the Bosnia-Herzegovina war. They are used on a regular basis under NORAD defense command to intercept Russian bombers entering the ADIZ around North America.

Just thought I'd throw that information in there for ya.

Seems as if you did not understand what I was talking about. Thread is about landing of F-18's on land, a poster mentioned that they have seen Canadians landing F-18 as if on carriers. Since there is no land based version of the a/c - they are all the same - the only reason I can see for Canadian pilots to practise carrier landings would be in the event that they do training with the US Navy and sometimes get to do actual carrier landings, or it's an emergency practise in case they have to do a joint deploy.
When US Navy carriers are close to their counties, operators of F-18's may get opertunities to practise touch and go's on the carriers, not sure if they actually do traps, maybe that's why Canadian pilots do carrier type landings, heck you may even do cross deploys with the US Navy, being such friendly neighbours, it is possible, the US military does personel training with numerous countries.


User currently offlineAC788 From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7070 times:



Quoting Par13del (Reply 8):

Oh I see what you're saying. But I was just trying to say that I think that F-18s as an aircraft just appear to have a "rougher-looking" landing because that was how they were designed to be landed, regardless of whether it was landing on land or an aircraft carrier. I do not think the Canadian Air Force does or have ever landed an F-18 on an American aircraft carrier but I am only speculating... it would be interesting if someone could post to confirm that. It would make sense that the American and Canadian F-18 pilots were trained in the same way though. Thanks for the input Par13del.


User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7193 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7048 times:



Quoting AC788 (Reply 9):
It would make sense that the American and Canadian F-18 pilots were trained in the same way though

It seems as if in this thread a poster mentioned that a Canadian did in fact do a carrier landing, however, no details, at least what we are looking for, exchange pilotor actual Canadian a/c

"http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/military/read.main/80882/"

I remember reading the thread, it was on what the replacement a/c should be.

Cheers


User currently offlineAC788 From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7043 times:



Quoting Par13del (Reply 10):

Cool thanks for the info. Sorry that this thread has strayed from it's original topic, still, it's been very informative haha
 laughing 


User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1985 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6987 times:

The CF fly the F-18s by reference of the Angle Of Attack, in a similar fashion to how the USN fly their approaches. The Swiss for instance may (or may not) fly a "regular" approach in reference to airspeed/glide path and may just flare the aircraft for good practice. Because of the similarity of the landing techniques this could cause the Canadian's style of approach to mirror that of the USN but the other airforces to land differently.

I do not believe any CF-188s have landed on a USN ship, but I do know some pilots have gone on exchanges with the USN and flown on the ships in the US's F-18s.



Keep the shinny side up!
User currently offlineAC788 From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6938 times:



Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 12):

Thank you ZBBYLW! Thats the information I was waiting for. So that clearly explains the "rough" looking landing of the F-18, regardless of it being a land or carrier landing.
 Smile


User currently offlineYanqui67 From Puerto Rico, joined Jan 2005, 508 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6809 times:

While I was stationed at VFA-125 in NAS Lemoore we had both Canadian and Australian exchange pilots that were instructors who flew off the boat.

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