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First C130 For Polish Air Force Ex.70-1273 Usaf  
User currently offlineKAWA From Poland, joined Jan 2005, 32 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8263 times:

Hi,

First C130 for Polish Air Force.Delivery flight from Ramstein base. Here still with American delivery markings. Ex. 70-1273 USAF

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Polan...ckheed-AC-130E-Hercules/1502909/L/

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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8075 times:

hmmmm, old C-130E's. Is there any plan in the future to get newer transports? Or are these it?

Not saying the C-130E's are inadequate, it just seems like Poland might be getting old ones before some new builds. The idea of getting old F-16A/B's was floated around for before the arrival of the C/D's.

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User currently offlineSASD209 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Oct 2007, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8020 times:

I dunno....this seems to be a big improvement in capability over the AN-26's and the C-295's or even the Bryza, used or not.  Confused

User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2933 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7947 times:

It sure beats the C-130Bs that Rolmania got back in the 90's. I guess the USAF can't part with their H models with the current op tempos.


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User currently offlineSASD209 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Oct 2007, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7864 times:

OK, according to defense-aerospace.com, the C-130's are :

"...scheduled to be operated 600 flight hours a year within the period of 20 years"

And:

"This is a milestone for our air defense," Polish General Mikutel stated. He noted that the plane is able to carry 17 tons of equipment or 90 equipped soldiers, “which is why the plane will leave [our current] CASA planes behind.”

Source: http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...-hercules-delivered-to-poland.html


User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7845 times:



Quoting SASD209 (Reply 2):
I dunno....this seems to be a big improvement in capability over the AN-26's and the C-295's or even the Bryza, used or not.

Aren't the 295's replacements for the -26's?

It's certainly a major growth in capacity, can't argue with that.

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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3868 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7836 times:



Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 1):
hmmmm, old C-130E's. Is there any plan in the future to get newer transports? Or are these it?

The Air Force probably told the Poles they were buying newer J models. They woudn't know...
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User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7828 times:

If the C-130E's are updated to a C-130X which used to be the plan for all USAF E's and H's plus having structures repaired it will soldier on for years.


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User currently offlineThePointblank From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 1732 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7823 times:



Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 7):
If the C-130E's are updated to a C-130X which used to be the plan for all USAF E's and H's plus having structures repaired it will soldier on for years.

The question should be: is it cost worthy? Does pumping money into an old airframe makes sense when you can get a brand new airframe for not that much more?


User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7774 times:

If it came from Foreign Military Sales FMS program they got it for pennies on the dollar.


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User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7721 times:

Poland's 5 C-130s are going through a modernization process in Waco, Texas by L3 Communications. Their wing boxes are being replaced with donated parts of other aircraft. The airframes are being donated from the US to Poland and the entire transaction is done under a FMS guaranteed loan. The US gives Poland money to buy the C-130s, update them and bring them to Europe.


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User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7409 times:



Quoting CX747 (Reply 10):
Poland's 5 C-130s are going through a modernization process in Waco, Texas by L3 Communications. Their wing boxes are being replaced with donated parts of other aircraft. The airframes are being donated from the US to Poland and the entire transaction is done under a FMS guaranteed loan. The US gives Poland money to buy the C-130s, update them and bring them to Europe.

Which is nice since Poland has turned into a very reliable NATO partner, great to have a ally who has his own airlift and will be where he says he is going to be in a contingency. An-124 operators are probably not too happy about it. Before USAF budgets problems the E's were slated to get this done and give them commonality with the super H's.



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User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7145 times:



Quoting SASD209 (Reply 4):
OK, according to defense-aerospace.com, the C-130's are :

"...scheduled to be operated 600 flight hours a year within the period of 20 years"

That doesn't sound like a lot of use.



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