Blurpy From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5870 times:
Are there any picture anywhere of the interior of the AF1 B707? I searched the web & could only find about the current AF1. Just curious what it looked like inside since it was older & and had much less space and im sure didnt have all the technologies & ammenities of the current AF1. Im sure the Presidents of that era flew in style anyway.
Thanks!
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SXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1420 posts, RR: 18 Reply 2, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5838 times:
Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 1): There aren't any pictures. The inside of the plane is highly classified. I would like to know what is on it however.
On the National Geographic Documentary on Air Force One, they showed clips of the inside of the 707 version of Air Force One, so I don't think its "that classified", however like the current one, I am sure there are some parts that we didn't see.....
Chapavaeaa From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 127 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5832 times:
If I recall correctly the Reagan library has a book or two, as well as some DVD's of the aircraft. If you get a chance to visit the library you can actually walk through it. I think you can walk through the one at the Boeing museum in Seattle as well.
To be honest, I've been in a BBJ....and it's much nicer and more comfortable....but the Presidential seal on the exterior and the paint job just makes up for any age in the interior.
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 8543 posts, RR: 19 Reply 7, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5737 times:
Quoting PlateMan (Reply 6): This was one of the jets that Carter had painted to make it more 'diplomatic'
The paint job was commisioned by Jackie Kennedy and done during the Kennedy administration.... not Carter. That is also not one of the 'Air Force One' planes. Just a basic VC-137 used for high level transportation. The two VC-135's used for 'Air Force One' carried the tail number 26000 and 27000.
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Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 18610 posts, RR: 59 Reply 8, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5719 times:
Quoting PlateMan (Reply 6): Not sure if this is Boeing 707, but Air Force One from the Carter/Kennedy days is open for the public at Boeing Field in Seattle.
SAM 26000 is in Dayton.
SAM 27000 is in Simi Valley.
This is SAM 970, the 1959-1962 model VC-137. After 1962, it was the backup AF1 and otherwise served as a VIP and vice-presidential transport through 1996.
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MD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7466 posts, RR: 18 Reply 9, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5660 times:
Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 1): There aren't any pictures. The inside of the plane is highly classified.
lol, funny. I've walked through 26000 at Dayton and it's interesting how drab the interior is and how it's not a walkthrough for overweight people due to the plexiglass walls.
MrSkyGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 285 posts, RR: 3 Reply 10, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5651 times:
I live within 5 minutes of the Simi Valley AF1, SAM 27000, and have visited its interiors many many times. Yes, security is tight and no, photos are not usually permitted (I have personally witnessed cameras taken away). The interior of SAM 27000 is immaculate, and the routing of standard HVAC into the aircraft's existing HVAC ductingg almost gives the impression of the air packs being activated, with the aircraft preparing for flight.
It's a fantastic display of any aircraft, let alone a 707 with such a rich and very public history.
Honk your horn if you love the old hardware! (707, 727, 732, etc)
Ktrick45 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 43 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5604 times:
No restrictions on photos of SAM 26000 at NMUSAF, except that the lighting and the Plexiglas make getting a good one difficult. What MD-90 said is true. It's not a good walkthrough if you're overweight.
Pnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1298 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5586 times:
The seat in the President's desk is interesting. That is the one that Johnson used. His seat was height adjustable so that he could seat higher than anyone else sitting across from him at the desk. After it was no longer used by the President it still was historic. Kissinger used it for his trip to China.
PlateMan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 687 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5561 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 7): The paint job was commisioned by Jackie Kennedy and done during the Kennedy administration.... not Carter. That is also not one of the 'Air Force One' planes. Just a basic VC-137 used for high level transportation.
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8): This is SAM 970, the 1959-1962 model VC-137. After 1962, it was the backup AF1 and otherwise served as a VIP and vice-presidential transport through 1996.
My bad on the mis id...I was excited to see a plane in those colors. The Boeing Museum has it labeled as Air Force One, so that is what I was working on.
Thanks for the correction and hope the pictures are interesting anyway as to show inside a backup AF1 and VIP transport in the former years.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 11635 posts, RR: 13 Reply 16, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5450 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 7): The two VC-135's used for 'Air Force One' carried the tail number 26000 and 27000.
No, 26000 and 27000 are VC-137Cs, based on the 707-320B, not VC-135s. VC-135 was a variant of the C-135, the cargo version of the KC-135 tanker and not considered a 707. Photos of 26000 and 27000 below:
Prior to acquiring the two VC-137Cs in 1961 and 1972, the USAF purchased 3 VC-137As in 1959, based on the original 707-120. Like many other early 707-120s, they were later re-engined with JT3D turbofans and became VC-137Bs. Photos of those 3 aircraft below:
Two used ex-airline 707s, a -320B (ex-TAP) and a -320C (originally delivered to Wardair in Canada), were acquired in the 1980s and converted to C-137C VIP configuration. The ex-Wardair aircraft was seized from a subsequent operator who had been using it in a drug-smuggling operation. It was later converted to an E-8 J-STARS aircraft. Photos of those aircraft below while part of the VIP fleet below, and the 1st one in it's current J-STARS configuration:
RIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1753 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5408 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 7): That is also not one of the 'Air Force One' planes. Just a basic VC-137 used for high level transportation.
- hmmm... From the link from reply 14: "The first presidential jet plane, a specially built Boeing 707-120, is known as SAM (Special Air Missions) 970. This aircraft, as well as any other Air Force aircraft, carried the call sign Air Force One when the president was aboard... SAM 970 has carried presidents Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon... In 1962, SAM 970 was replaced by a newer Boeing VC-137C."
I don't know in which possible very strict meaning of word it is still not a "true Air Force One plane" but "just a basic something else" if the airplane was carrying presidents and had call sign Air Force One.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 11635 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5365 times:
Quoting RIX (Reply 17): I don't know in which possible very strict meaning of word it is still not a "true Air Force One plane" but "just a basic something else" if the airplane was carrying presidents and had call sign Air Force One.
I expect the point being made is that the 3 early VC-137A aircraft (later VC-137B) weren't acquired specifically for Presidential use but as general VIP transports, although they were of course used as Air Force One prior to delivery of 26000 in 1962, when they became backup aircraft.
Venus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1124 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5221 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 7):
The two VC-135's used for 'Air Force One' carried the tail number 26000 and 27000.
No, 26000 and 27000 are VC-137Cs, based on the 707-320B, not VC-135s. VC-135 was a variant of the C-135, the cargo version of the KC-135 tanker and not considered a 707. Photos of 26000 and 27000 below:
Prior to acquiring the two VC-137Cs in 1961 and 1972, the USAF purchased 3 VC-137As in 1959, based on the original 707-120. Like many other early 707-120s, they were later re-engined with JT3D turbofans and became VC-137Bs. Photos of those 3 aircraft below:
Two used ex-airline 707s, a -320B (ex-TAP) and a -320C (originally delivered to Wardair in Canada), were acquired in the 1980s and converted to C-137C VIP configuration. The ex-Wardair aircraft was seized from a subsequent operator who had been using it in a drug-smuggling operation. It was later converted to an E-8 J-STARS aircraft. Photos of those aircraft below while part of the VIP fleet below, and the 1st one in it's current J-STARS configuration:
Quoting RIX (Reply 17):
I don't know in which possible very strict meaning of word it is still not a "true Air Force One plane" but "just a basic something else" if the airplane was carrying presidents and had call sign Air Force One.
I expect the point being made is that the 3 early VC-137A aircraft (later VC-137B) weren't acquired specifically for Presidential use but as general VIP transports, although they were of course used as Air Force One prior to delivery of 26000 in 1962, when they became backup aircraft.
You Sir are correct, 58-6972 C-137B (B707-153B) and 85-6974 C-137C are now memories when they were both scrapped at Boeing Witchita due to corrision, at one point in my 5 year career at ADW I have worked on all the ADW 89thMAW assigned 707's. It pains me when I see pictures of 58-6971 at Pima not getting any TLC in the museum unlike 26000,27000 and 58-6970. If you look closely in the above posted pics of 6970 in Seattle you look at the pic of the presidents desk , there is a pipe holder near the phone which was installed for avid pipe smoker JFK and in the same pic you see a metal a cup holder under the desk which was installed for then VP George HW Bush becuase they were the same ones on his boat he kept at his place in Maine. In another pic in that same group you see a conferance table right in front of the TV, that tabel had electric motors in it to lower or raise the table height which was installed during the LBJ term. Too bad the guy who took pics of 26000 did not take a pic of aft galley, you would have sean a removalble partition so a coffin can be loaded which was used for JFK in Dallas.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 3943 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5189 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 7): The paint job was commisioned by Jackie Kennedy and done during the Kennedy administration.... not Carter.
Correct. She commisioned Raymond Loewy (he designed a lot of stuff including Studebaker cars and some of SkyLab) to come up with a livery for the plane. Previously the plane was in the standard MAC aluminum with high viz orange paint. Also, the titles were changed from "US Air Force" to "United States of America" presumably for diplomatic reasons.
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ZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2020 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5144 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 7): The paint job was commisioned by Jackie Kennedy and done during the Kennedy administration.... not Carter. That is also not one of the 'Air Force One' planes. Just a basic VC-137 used for high level transportation. The two VC-135's used for 'Air Force One' carried the tail number 26000 and 27000.
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 20): Correct. She commisioned Raymond Loewy (he designed a lot of stuff including Studebaker cars and some of SkyLab) to come up with a livery for the plane. Previously the plane was in the standard MAC aluminum with high viz orange paint. Also, the titles were changed from "US Air Force" to "United States of America" presumably for diplomatic reasons.
You're both wrong. The scheme on 970 is in fact the Carter era "Austerity" scheme, not the Air Force one scheme that was done by Loewy. Note: the white top cockpit on 970. The Loewy scheme has a dark blue bit over the cockpit.
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Blurpy From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5129 times:
Thanks everyone for the super pics & replies! The only pics I have are of a military VIP transport. KC-135E / 57-2589. It was a tanker that was converted to a military VIP transport at some point in its life. The flight deck is large/spacious, large forward galley, middle part of the aircraft is mostly leather seats with a few desks, and the rear of the aircraft is office/sitting area and a bedroom thats now an empty room...I was told it was for the "general" and his wife (the boom operator station was under the bedroom). The interior was done in different shades of blue, kinda dark..but it was nice. It was no Air Force 1, but it was a nice VIP transport.
BIG flight deck
The long forward galley dirrectly behind the flight deck
Passengers sat behind the galley, it was all seat/table type setup
Military VIP office/sitting area (sorry for the fuzziness) behind the passenger seating
"Bedroom" now an empty room with the access to boom operator station on floor. It was behind the office/sitting area
Jetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1309 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5010 times:
Quoting Blurpy (Reply 22): Thanks everyone for the super pics & replies! The only pics I have are of a military VIP transport. KC-135E / 57-2589. It was a tanker that was converted to a military VIP transport at some point in its life.
I remember reading years ago about these converted KC-135’s. There were no cabin windows on these airplanes except for the small windows in the doors and emergency exits.
They were referred to as the “Tubes” and were not well liked by the passengers because of the lack of cabin windows.
Venus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1124 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (10 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4871 times:
Quoting Blurpy (Reply 22):
Thanks everyone for the super pics & replies! The only pics I have are of a military VIP transport. KC-135E / 57-2589. It was a tanker that was converted to a military VIP transport at some point in its life.
I remember reading years ago about these converted KC-135’s. There were no cabin windows on these airplanes except for the small windows in the doors and emergency exits.
They were referred to as the “Tubes” and were not well liked by the passengers because of the lack of cabin windows.
JetStar
There was one C-135 60-0376 that was modded with 3 extra windows in the VIP stateroom that cost the General who ordered that mod his job.
Jetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1309 posts, RR: 4 Reply 25, posted (10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4797 times:
Quoting MrSkyGuy (Reply 10): I live within 5 minutes of the Simi Valley AF1, SAM 27000, and have visited its interiors many many times. Yes, security is tight and no, photos are not usually permitted (I have personally witnessed cameras taken away). The interior of SAM 27000 is immaculate, and the routing of standard HVAC into the aircraft's existing HVAC ductingg almost gives the impression of the air packs being activated, with the aircraft preparing for flight.
It's a fantastic display of any aircraft, let alone a 707 with such a rich and very public history.
I toured the Ronald Reagan Library last October and went through 27000, I was amazed how immaculate the airplane was, both inside and outside. One thing I wonder is if the engines are still on the airplane.
By getting up close to the main landing gear, I was able to see how many times some of the tires have were recapped, one had been recapped 6 times, my wife found that bit of information totally useless.
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