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User currently offlineSXB From France, joined Sep 2008, 114 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7917 times:

From the local newspaper les DNA (quickly tranlslated with Google):
http://www.dna.fr/france/20090405_DNA005686.html

An A340 was used for the transport of delegations between Baden and Strasbourg Friday evening. Flight time: a few minutes, including landing ...

Forty-two kilometers. This is the distance that separates, bird-flying, the Entzheim airport from Baden. And that's the way that part of the delegations went during the night from Friday to Saturday, returning from the gala dinner on board a quadjet from the French Air Force. Approximately ten minutes of flight (takeoff and landing) on board an Airbus A340-200 designed to make long haul flights.
The aircraft, F-RAJA, belonging to the 3 / 60 Esterel squadron in charge of presidential trips, arrived in Entzheim from Brussels early Friday afternoon with staff of NATO on board ( The headquarters of the organization is in Brussels).
It remained parked much of the day in the park of the airport and it is in the evening that the decision was made to divert a portion of the delegations, from Baden to Strasbourg, not by the road as originally planned, but by air. The A 340 can carry over 200 passengers. It made a single rotation.
According to our records, the aircraft was made available to NATO by France for the organization and logistics of the summit. The rule seems to be that host countries provide an aircraft.
The A-340 is equipped with four engines each consume an average of 7 800 liters of kerosene per hour. Landing and take off cycles, more consuming, are assessed for this trip to be about two tons of kerosene. A minimum of 4 tons minimum for this Franco-German roundtrip.

Any thoughts about it?
No pictures from this in SXB or FKB?
What about Air Force One in SXB this week end?

My first post by the way...


SXB
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User currently onlineKiqaboy From Sweden, joined Feb 2006, 171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7839 times:

wow that is a good way to spend some Tax payer money, I think this will be and media headline for these coming days.


once upone time
User currently offlineEmptyarm From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7553 times:



Quoting Kiqaboy (Reply 1):
wow that is a good way to spend some Tax payer money

That's almost nothing...I heard that the security deployment for this summit was more than 100 million EUR worth.
For f**k's shake!!!, use that money (and the money spent on the A340 fuel) on fighting hunger or disease...The world is just crazy, and politicians even crazier


User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7533 times:

42km with an A342! Weird...  Yeah sure

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User currently offlineArniepie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7467 times:

They should have taken this one,
Take-off , get to FL360 and get right back down again all in 42Km.

http://www.micromega-dynamics.com/images/ZERO_G_Airbus.jpg



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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4253 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7428 times:

Unbelievable how these 'important people' always come away with it. Many normal people even won't know. Until it reaches the press. I hope it does, and that it will lead to huge discussions.


"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19188 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7336 times:

You realise commercial 'planes probably never fly their Great Circle Mapper distance due to manoeuvring, restrictions, weather, etc. So, I suspect it was somewhat more than 42km, but I can't tell you what.


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineRicciPettit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7215 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 6):
You realise commercial 'planes probably never fly their Great Circle Mapper distance due to manoeuvring, restrictions, weather, etc. So, I suspect it was somewhat more than 42km, but I can't tell you what.

I believe that's not the point.

They could have just taken limo's for only 42km at a fraction of the cost! (Including the stupid amount of limo's that would be used for the VIP's and their entourage).


User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2176 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7193 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 6):
You realise commercial 'planes probably never fly their Great Circle Mapper distance due to manoeuvring, restrictions, weather, etc. So, I suspect it was somewhat more than 42km, but I can't tell you what.

Meaning it did cost even more.

Quoting Emptyarm (Reply 2):
That's almost nothing...I heard that the security deployment for this summit was more than 100 million EUR worth.
For f**k's shake!!!, use that money (and the money spent on the A340 fuel) on fighting hunger or disease...The world is just crazy, and politicians even crazier

And i agree with you the cost of this specific flight still was nothing on the summit's budget, and yes, there would be better use of that money, but better not get me started on this  Wink



When I doubt... go running!
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19188 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7193 times:



Quoting RicciPettit (Reply 7):
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 6):
You realise commercial 'planes probably never fly their Great Circle Mapper distance due to manoeuvring, restrictions, weather, etc. So, I suspect it was somewhat more than 42km, but I can't tell you what.

I believe that's not the point.

A lot of A.nutters wrongly believe that aircraft fly the Great Circle Mapper when very often they do not. I did not talk about the logicality of flying when it is such a short distance. I simply simply said it would not have been 42km as stated.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineSXB From France, joined Sep 2008, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6393 times:

The more I think about it and the less it makes sense.... Once they arrived in SXB, they had to get to their hotels somewhere in the city (I can't imagine that they stayed next to the airport and I don't even think that there is something which could be called a hotel there).... The city is 15kms from the airport (in the opposite direction of Baden Baden).... Sounds really eco friendly and a waste of time.

On the other side, I'm surprised that no one made a joke like "on such a distance, did the a340 ever take off?"... I'm doing it myself  Smile

I've seen a good picture of AF1 arriving in SXB on Flickr, I'll post the link later.



SXB
User currently offlineAv8rDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5833 times:

I wonder if the delegates were ever caught on record discussing "global warming", etc. Would love to see them defend this joyride.


Maintain thine airspeed, lest the Earth rise up and smite thee.
User currently offlineGulfstream650 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5691 times:

Either way, not that silly at all. A chance to get a lot of very important people with a lot off pull on to an A340.

Good marketing if you ask me for Airbus.



I don't proclaim to be the best pilot in the world but I'm safe
User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5977 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5588 times:



Quoting Emptyarm (Reply 2):
I heard that the security deployment for this summit was more than 100 million EUR worth.
For f**k's shake!!!, use that money (and the money spent on the A340 fuel) on fighting hunger or disease...The world is just crazy, and politicians even crazier

Sadly those money were pretty much required, thanks to the antics of these loonies:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-strasbourg-buildings-1662587.html


User currently offlineAirlineCritic From Finland, joined Mar 2009, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5554 times:



Quoting Arniepie (Reply 4):
They should have taken this one,
Take-off , get to FL360 and get right back down again all in 42Km.

LOL


User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5165 times:

Got almost grilled via e-mail by one person knwoing better for my remarks about the 54km flight of this one.


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User currently offlineVald From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5140 times:

man!

politicians,

no matter what country they are from they always seem to
be so out of touch with common man (or woman) on the street.

The aircraft should of flew 50km but open the doors at 42km &
f*****d the whole lot of them out!

i'm guessing it wasn't the green party then!

val.


User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5090 times:

On the other hand whom of you would say no for flying on this bird only 10mins and that for free?!?!?

georg


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15715 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5045 times:



Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 3):
42km with an A342!

Many A340s take that far just to get airborne.

After all, some call it taxiing. A340 pilots call it a derated takeoff.  Big grin



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3928 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4868 times:



Quoting Arniepie (Reply 4):
Take-off , get to FL360 and get right back down again all in 42Km.

I don't think they usually go as high as FL360 during the parabolas. When I flew it they started them at level flight at FL200-250, climbed for around 20 seconds under full power and then went for another 20 seconds in 0-g (meaning 10 seconds in the upward portion of the parabola). I don't think an A300 can climb 11,000 feet in 30 seconds, with 10 of those seconds essentially unpowered.



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User currently offlineSXB From France, joined Sep 2008, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

US Air Force Boeing VC-25A 82-8000:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/albspotter/3410154290/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/albspotter/3414256955/

US Air Force Boeing C-32A :
http://www.flickr.com/photos/albspotter/3413407519/

République Francaise A340-200 F-RAJA:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/albspotter/3415015654/



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