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C-5 Crews Thoughts On M Model  
User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1448 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5681 times:

Came across this about the C-5M enjoy.
http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2009/04/airforce_c5m_dover_042909/


I would help you but it is not in the contract
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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31821 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5608 times:
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C-5M aircrews crow about new engines, avionics

I expect they're just happy to actually be in the air and not on the ground, considering how poor the dispatch reliability rate is said to be for the C-5 fleet. Big grin


User currently offlineLMP737 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 4692 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5377 times:

Amazing how four brand new CF-6 engines will make flying so much more enjoyable.  Wink

I've been around CF-6 powered aircraft for a little over ten years. The CF-6 is a dependable engine, that's why they have been around for so long. We, AA, just had a CF-6 that was on wing on a 767-300 for 40000 hours. It was the engine that was delivered with the aircraft.



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User currently offlineNicoEDDF From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 1135 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5366 times:



Quoting LMP737 (Reply 2):
We, AA, just had a CF-6 that was on wing on a 767-300 for 40000 hours. It was the engine that was delivered with the aircraft.

40.000 EFH?? Even for a first runner thats quite a bit too much, isn't it?


User currently offlineLMP737 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 4692 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5360 times:



Quoting NicoEDDF (Reply 3):
40.000 EFH?? Even for a first runner thats quite a bit too much, isn't it?

It's a lot of hours but I wouldn't call it to much.



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User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1107 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5207 times:

Congratulations to the "new" transport plane  champagne 
I'm still hoping that also the A's will be converted since after all it's an economic way to get a great airlifter, but I'm probably dreaming.

Cheers

A350



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User currently offlineGalaxy5007 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4911 times:

Only two of the Ms are at Dover, and for the majority of the time, one has been in a hanger the entire time, lol. About a third of that time was scheduled maintenance, but since both of these jets were on the ground for so long, and subject to extreme weather testing, they developed alot of leaks. The third C-5M, 9024, is at Robins doing its normal programmed depot maintenance. 6025 has flow a few missions from Ramstein and back, but 6013 hasn't gone anywhere since it was delivered. There are still alot of legacy problems with the "new" jet. I guess when they actually start tracking the operational capability later in the year, we will get the true results. The next jet is being inducted in August.

User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 13248 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4671 times:



Quote:
DOVER AIR FORCE BASE, Del. — From a distance, the gray C-5 Galaxy parked on the flight line looks the same as the dozen or so others lined up on the concrete.

Up on jacks?  Smile

Quoting Galaxy5007 (Reply 6):
Only two of the Ms are at Dover, and for the majority of the time, one has been in a hanger the entire time, lol.

Some things never change!



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5526 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

Does anybody have a breakdown of the expenses which add up to 148 million dollars to upgrade a C-5 to the M model?

Is it just me or does that seem like quite a bit of cash for upgrading a plane using mostly off the shelf technology?



What the...?
User currently offlineNicoEDDF From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 1135 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4019 times:



Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 8):
Is it just me or does that seem like quite a bit of cash for upgrading a plane using mostly off the shelf technology?

Nah, thought the same...for that money you nearly can buy brand new C17


User currently offlineGalaxy5007 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3999 times:



Quoting NicoEDDF (Reply 9):
for that money you nearly can buy brand new C17

260 million for a new C-17, that only carries half of what the C-5 carries...296 million for two modernized C-5s that can do the job of 4 C-17s.... Must I go on? Go C-5!


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5526 posts, RR: 31
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3932 times:

So what's the cost breakdown?


What the...?
User currently offlineHawaiianHobo From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3922 times:



Quoting Galaxy5007 (Reply 10):
296 million for two modernized C-5s that can do the job of 4 C-17s.... Must I go on? Go C-5!

Hahaha, never underestimate the usefulness of the C-5....until you break in Guam for a week.

...I think I'm sun burned.  Smile



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days ago) and read 3885 times:



Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 8):
Does anybody have a breakdown of the expenses which add up to 148 million dollars to upgrade a C-5 to the M model?

4 CF6-80s and a spare ... $50 million?

HPT disc failures should AD'd now. The CF6 was developped from the TF39, which probably eased integration compared to a totally different engine.

I think a big operation plus for the CF-6-80 is that you can get MRO and parts everywhere. Is it the most used turbofan? A300, A310, A330, B747, B767, MD11, C-X all use CF6-80 versions.

CF6 shops, warehouses everywhere. Not that MRO will be outsourced but its handy to e.g. top up stocks fast/ efficiently. Probably more important then the better fuel efficiency the GENX could have offered.

Maybe this mod will have the C5 fleet finaaly meet its original dispatch reliability targets. Bad news for the An124 operators that made a fortune out of US / NATO operations during the last 15 yrs.


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5526 posts, RR: 31
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

So 50 mil on engines. Besides avionics, what make up the other 100 mil?


What the...?
User currently offlineGalaxy5007 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 9 hours ago) and read 3665 times:

New APUs, ATMs, almost all the hydraulic actuators were replaced with rebuild/new ones, a new anti-skid system, lighting system, computer system (replaced MADAR), the new pylons, wiring, etc. It adds up quick. I think they put some of the legacy problems that needed to be fixed before RERP could happen were thrown into the cost as well.

User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8953 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3529 times:

Needless to say, it's just another sweetheart contract (they all are), but it is great to see the mighty C-5 being shined up. It's great to see such a legendary aircraft get some respect and much needed work.

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