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Terminator Movie And The A10  
User currently offlinePetera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 346 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9531 times:
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Watched the new Terminator movie, nice to see the A10 still flying in 2018, along with the UH1!

Peter  Big grin

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User currently offlineCsturdiv From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9467 times:

The A-10s have been undergoing upgrades to extend their service time. Wikipedia (and take the info with a grain of salt) is saying the plane might stay in service as late as 2028.


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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2098 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9466 times:



Quoting Csturdiv (Reply 1):
is saying the plane might stay in service as late as 2028.

I hope so, what better CAS or tank killing platform is there? Not sexy but perfect for the job at hand.. and cheap.



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User currently onlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3502 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9456 times:



Quoting Petera380 (Thread starter):
Watched the new Terminator movie, nice to see the A10 still flying in 2018, along with the UH1!

Is it with us, or with skynet?


User currently offlinePetera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 346 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9360 times:
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Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 3):
Is it with us, or with skynet?

The resistance flew the A10's against Skynet!  Big grin


User currently onlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3502 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9298 times:



Quoting Petera380 (Reply 4):
The resistance flew the A10's against Skynet! Big grin

Good choice!


User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1777 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9086 times:



Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 5):
The resistance flew the A10's against Skynet!

Cheap, simple, easy to maintain, effective, tough.....the best plane for "guerrilla" warfare



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User currently offlineKukkudrill From Malta, joined Dec 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8859 times:



Quoting Marcus (Reply 6):
Cheap, simple, easy to maintain, effective, tough.....the best plane for "guerrilla" warfare

But too vulnerable, unless it operates at high level - in which case what advantages does it retain over a suitably armed F-16, which can get to the conflict zone a lot quicker?



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8644 times:



Quoting Kukkudrill (Reply 7):
But too vulnerable, unless it operates at high level - in which case what advantages does it retain over a suitably armed F-16, which can get to the conflict zone a lot quicker?

The A-10 is a cable operated control system, you won't have to worry about skynet taking over the aircaft as you would in an electric jet such as the F-16.

Gotta love old school



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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6812 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8621 times:



Quoting Kukkudrill (Reply 7):

But too vulnerable, unless it operates at high level - in which case what advantages does it retain over a suitably armed F-16, which can get to the conflict zone a lot quicker?

Actually, it is much more damage resistant than any other fighter. It trades speed for maneuverability and toughness. Its record in actual combat proves that it is not very vulnerable, and is able to inflict enormous damage to opponents. I think it has proved that it is the absolute best plane available for close air support when you have air dominance. It would not do so well if there were a bunch of MIG's and/or Sukhoi's to fend off.



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4801 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8615 times:



Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 3):

Quoting Petera380 (Thread starter):
Watched the new Terminator movie, nice to see the A10 still flying in 2018, along with the UH1!

Is it with us, or with skynet?

with us the resistance. Does a pretty good job against ground units but gets owned by the Skynet air units.



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User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3390 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8502 times:



Quoting Kukkudrill (Reply 7):
But too vulnerable, unless it operates at high level - in which case what advantages does it retain over a suitably armed F-16, which can get to the conflict zone a lot quicker?

Uh its far LESS vunerable than a F16. Its at higher altitudes that other jets become far more effective against it, as do the larger SAM missiles.

It also has better range/loiter than the F16 which is why it was used for scud hunting. F16 gets 10min to do its job once there. A10 has a couple hours.

Oh and last but not least A10 had 2 Air to Air kills, F16 0 in the 1st gulf war. Far superior anti-helicopter platform.


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8325 times:



Quoting Csturdiv (Reply 1):
The A-10s have been undergoing upgrades to extend their service time. Wikipedia (and take the info with a grain of salt) is saying the plane might stay in service as late as 2028.

We need not content ourselves with Wiki.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...round-one-third-of-usaf-a-10s.html

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...pares-to-recompete-prime-role.html

Quoting Kukkudrill (Reply 7):
in which case what advantages does it retain over a suitably armed F-16, which can get to the conflict zone a lot quicker?

And out again in a flash, which does not help the boots on the ground much. While this.....

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.....does a lot of damage. Fearsome.  scared 



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User currently offlineQFMel From Australia, joined Jun 2009, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8321 times:



Quoting SEPilot (Reply 9):

Quoting Kukkudrill (Reply 7):

But too vulnerable, unless it operates at high level - in which case what advantages does it retain over a suitably armed F-16, which can get to the conflict zone a lot quicker?

Actually, it is much more damage resistant than any other fighter. It trades speed for maneuverability and toughness. Its record in actual combat proves that it is not very vulnerable, and is able to inflict enormous damage to opponents. I think it has proved that it is the absolute best plane available for close air support when you have air dominance. It would not do so well if there were a bunch of MIG's and/or Sukhoi's to fend off.

I'll agree with you regarding it's sturdiness, but I have to digress with your use of the word 'fighter'. The point remains though that it is a remarkably effective ground attack aircraft.

Takes me back to when I was in primary school, when I first read Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising- was it there that the description of the A-10 as 'the Devil's Cross' came from?


User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3390 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8316 times:



Quoting QFMel (Reply 13):
I have to digress with your use of the word 'fighter'.

Um, The A10 has won the Air to Air portion of wargames in the past. If other fighters come down to play with it at low altitude, the A10 does very well. Radar guidence doesn't work well near ground clutter, IR guidence isn't that great against the A10 with its decently shrouded high bypass engines, and the A10 turns tighter than all the pointynose fighters. Which leaves it the GAU-8 for some spray and pray across the other fighter.

Yes, the A-10 is useless for Air Superiority,
Yes, it is very deadly against anything that comes down to play with it.


User currently offlineQFMel From Australia, joined Jun 2009, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8306 times:



Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 14):

Quoting QFMel (Reply 13):
I have to digress with your use of the word 'fighter'.

Um, The A10 has won the Air to Air portion of wargames in the past. If other fighters come down to play with it at low altitude, the A10 does very well. Radar guidence doesn't work well near ground clutter, IR guidence isn't that great against the A10 with its decently shrouded high bypass engines, and the A10 turns tighter than all the pointynose fighters. Which leaves it the GAU-8 for some spray and pray across the other fighter.

Yes, the A-10 is useless for Air Superiority,
Yes, it is very deadly against anything that comes down to play with it.

So I've heard, I'm not denying that capability- it is an undeniably impressive aircraft- but that is quite obviously not it's reason for being. If someone seriously dubbed a Nimrod MR2 a fighter (didn't it get a nickname during the Falklands along these lines) because of an ability to carry the AIM9 then I would make precisely the same point. Possession of hardpoints does not a fighter make, no more than superior low altitude performance makes the A10 a fighter.


User currently offlineNomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1828 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8305 times:

Always nice to have a titanium bathtub surrounding your butt too.
I still remember the one that came back in GW1 with half the wing blown off.



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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7941 times:

Nicer still that a fresh contract is awarded to three major contractors for continuing sustainment and modernization of its weapons systems......

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...-modernization%2C-sustainment.html

Quote:
"Boeing, Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman will share in a $1.6 billion contract to complete the A-10 modernization program.

The Air Force is awarding an indefinite delivery/indefinite quantity contract to the following contractors: McDonnell Douglas Corp., of Saint Louis, Miss., Lockheed Martin-Systems Integration of Owego, N.Y., and Northrop Grumman Technical Services, Inc., of Herndon, Va.

This contract provides a multiple-award indefinite delivery/indefinite quantity contract vehicle to sustain and modernize all A-10 weapon system configuration."



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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6812 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7010 times:



Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 14):

Um, The A10 has won the Air to Air portion of wargames in the past. If other fighters come down to play with it at low altitude, the A10 does very well. Radar guidence doesn't work well near ground clutter, IR guidence isn't that great against the A10 with its decently shrouded high bypass engines, and the A10 turns tighter than all the pointynose fighters. Which leaves it the GAU-8 for some spray and pray across the other fighter.

Excellent point, I did not realize this, but it makes sense. The key for the A10 is don't try and play the other guy's game, stick to your own. Much like Claire Chennault proved with the flying tigers; develop tactics that play toward your strengths and take advantage of your opponents' weaknesses. There surely is no better plane ever developed for playing in the weeds; I write this after recalling standing on my front porch and witnessing two A10's flying through a slight valley behind my house; I swear I was looking down on them. They couldn't have been more than 30 feet high, and Vermont terrain is VERY irregular. No other military plane could have done that that I know of.



The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
User currently offlineBlackProjects From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 756 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6732 times:

As one A-10 Pilot once told me any one Crosses him and his 30MM they will wish they had not for the Short remainder of there Lives.

Also the A-10 having Side Winders along with Loads of Jamming Pods and Large stocks of Chaff and Flares makes Shooting a Radar or Infra red missile at a Warthog a Challenge.

A lot of exercise Pilots are warned not to go LOW and SLOW with a Warthog or Similar machine or risk getting Ventilated (Exterminated) by the 30MM Canon.


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User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6675 times:

Miss seeing all the A10s around the UK when they were at Bentwaters. I have fond memories around 1988 of being on a small exercise in Herefordshire in a trench with my rifle and a pair of A10s suddenley appeared ducking and diving on us at very low altitude, sod the exercise, we were mesmerised, loved it.

User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6607 times:

Nothing without thrust-vectoring can turn inside a Hog, nothing, and even a glancing blow with the GAU-8 and it's "game over", see "Warthog Stomp". A smart SU or MiG driver should try to take advantage of "look down/shoot down" 'cause coming down to play in the mud with a Hog would even the odds dramatically.
Toughness? The thing is a tank!  Silly

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User currently offlineAutoThrust From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 1587 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6462 times:

A10 is a fantastic aircraft. However it would be interesting to see a skirmish between the A10 and the SU-25MT. (i grant the A10 being superior)

The SU-25 is on the other side more versatile and can carry more diffrent payload. Pilots are also protected by a titanium bathtub. AFAIK there are some SU-25 capable to land on a carrier,.



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User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6428 times:



Quoting AutoThrust (Reply 22):
The SU-25 is on the other side more versatile and can carry more diffrent payload. Pilots are also protected by a titanium bathtub. AFAIK there are some SU-25 capable to land on a carrier,.

The Frogfoot is also less survivable because of the placement of the engines, the fact that they're not "hidden" and the lack of redundancy that twin vertical stabs bring to the table.  Smile



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User currently offlineAutoThrust From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 1587 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6342 times:



Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 23):
The Frogfoot is also less survivable because of the placement of the engines, the fact that they're not "hidden" and the lack of redundancy that twin vertical stabs bring to the table.

Good points. Of course the firepower of the GAU-8 is unmatched but that also comes at a cost. AFAIK 44,5kN is the recoil ! How good is the plating on the A-10 base?



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User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6323 times:



Quoting AutoThrust (Reply 24):

The plane was essentially built for that gun so it doesn't break mounts. The gun mount is a shock absorber of sorts. This has been a problem for the F-16 and the Vulcan in the past though.  Smile



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