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Obama To Depart For ME From Dulles, Not Andrews  
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6306 times:

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06...liticalhotsheet/entry5056995.shtml

When President Obama departs this evening on his five day trip to Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Germany and France, he’ll be taking off from Dulles International Airport and not Andrews Air Force Base.

But he’s using Dulles because it’s got longer runways than does Andrews AFB. The crew of Air Force One needs the longer runway because it’ll be topping off the 747 fuel tanks to the brim for the long flight from Washington, D.C. to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

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User currently offlineAlphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 563 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6243 times:

It was a nice sight - 29000 and one of the 757s parked on the remote ramp and he went off 1C - 11,500ft.

Caused a mess with the scheduled flights with the ramp freeze but its always interesting to see AF1 depart from IAD!

AF1 always departs from IAD for the long trips, but I was thinking about when Bush went on his surprise trip to Iraq - he didn't leave from IAD so how did he make it? A kiss from a KC-135 along the way?


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 912 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6235 times:



Quoting Alphaomega (Reply 1):

AF1 always departs from IAD for the long trips, but I was thinking about when Bush went on his surprise trip to Iraq - he didn't leave from IAD so how did he make it? A kiss from a KC-135 along the way?

No mid-air refueling was publicly disclosed, at least none that I am aware. The non-stop flight from Andrews to Baghdad was approximately 5,400 nm which should be in the range of a lightly-loaded 747-200. The secret Bush trip also flew with a lot less personnel on Air Force One than a typical state visit so they were probably able to stretch the range a bit more than normal.


User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 6727 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6024 times:

Makes you wonder why a runway at Andrews has not been lengthened to accomodate, over the years since the VC-25's have been in service how many re-position tirps have been done for this sole purpose, certainely they could have paid off the repair by now.
My assumption is that military engineers not civilian would do the extension, so it could also be budgeted in one year for training of newbie seebees etc.

Another random thought.


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3689 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5917 times:
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At 9,700 ft I am pretty sure a fully loaded AF1 can depart from the ADW runway to anywhere that it needs to go. http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0905/00561AD.PDF


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User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 6727 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5887 times:

A.net speculation strikes again  Smile

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5857 times:



Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 2):
The secret Bush trip also flew with a lot less personnel on Air Force One than a typical state visit so they were probably able to stretch the range a bit more than normal.

It was very lightly loaded.....The President, the flight crew, a handful of support staff and a hand picked group of press.



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User currently offlineQFMel From Australia, joined Jun 2009, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 5538 times:

Quoting Par13del (Reply 3):
Makes you wonder why a runway at Andrews has not been lengthened to accomodate, over the years since the VC-25's have been in service how many re-position tirps have been done for this sole purpose, certainely they could have paid off the repair by now.
My assumption is that military engineers not civilian would do the extension, so it could also be budgeted in one year for training of newbie seebees etc.


Surely it would pay for itself in the medium-term.

[Edited 2009-06-07 20:03:53]

User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 5526 times:



Quoting Par13del (Reply 3):
My assumption is that military engineers not civilian would do the extension, so it could also be budgeted in one year for training of newbie seebees etc.

Not to knock our CB friends, but the DoD has plenty of accredited civilian contractors who could undertake that critical work more efficiently which would offset savings in employing station forces. Such contractors also work at sensitive installations without disrupting operations (too much).



"Everyone is entitled to my opinion." - Garfield
User currently offlineQFMel From Australia, joined Jun 2009, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5503 times:



Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 8):




Quoting Par13del (Reply 3):
My assumption is that military engineers not civilian would do the extension, so it could also be budgeted in one year for training of newbie seebees etc.

Not to knock our CB friends, but the DoD has plenty of accredited civilian contractors who could undertake that critical work more efficiently which would offset savings in employing station forces. Such contractors also work at sensitive installations without disrupting operations (too much).

Sure, but even if you outsource it, a runway extension is going to cost a heap of dough. I think the suggestion here was to not necessarily have a specific appropriation for it, and/or to avoid it dragging out on account of budgetary constraints.


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5495 times:



Quoting QFMel (Reply 9):
Sure, but even if you outsource it, a runway extension is going to cost a heap of dough. I think the suggestion here was to not necessarily have a specific appropriation for it, and/or to avoid it dragging out on account of budgetary constraints.

Then good luck having your runway extension without a specific appropriation, especially on a military airbase. As to avoiding dragging it on account of budgetary constraints, you would not be allowed to even start if there was not enough funding to complete the project. OTOH, you would be dragging it out due to other reasons, based on the suggestion.



"Everyone is entitled to my opinion." - Garfield
User currently offlineQFMel From Australia, joined Jun 2009, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5488 times:



Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 10):

Then good luck having your runway extension without a specific appropriation, especially on a military airbase. As to avoiding dragging it on account of budgetary constraints, you would not be allowed to even start if there was not enough funding to complete the project. OTOH, you would be dragging it out due to other reasons, based on the suggestion.

Yes but coming back to the CB suggestion, the idea, impractical or not, would be to plough training costs into such construction- it's simply an offset, even if it's not a complete one. As for work not starting without a line item for the entire amount- this presupposes that the cost of a project is static. Better pray then that the cost doesn't blowout.

Which, of course, never happens in construction. Or with Government, generally. Or even better, with the military.


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5403 times:

A study on the workings of MILCON projects (your runway extension would definitely be one) is in order if you're that interested.


"Everyone is entitled to my opinion." - Garfield
User currently offlineQFMel From Australia, joined Jun 2009, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5382 times:



Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 12):


A study on the workings of MILCON projects (your runway extension would definitely be one) is in order if you're that interested.

Fairly au fait with their workings, obviously more so here in Aus than stateside. The DOD Milcon budget for FY09 is a marvel, it easily dwarfs our entire defence spend. So when I hear proceedings of the Standing Committee on Public Works here, I'll resign myself to being somewhat less impressed.


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