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France To Buy C-130J If A400M Further Delayed  
User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4902 times:

The French Defense Minister sated that they are considering leasing or buying the C-130J if the A400M is delayed more:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...ALeqM5ie1ZA_ihg1KCtzdhTREpGumQPOtw


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31412 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4889 times:
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Well France just agreed to A350XWB RLA, so I expect they're still going to back an A400M buy, regardless of how late it is. So this would indeed be an interim buy to tide them over.

User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4848 times:

They should buy the C-17 instead.  Smile

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As it is, it looks like received wisdom here that allowing needed platforms to head for the chopping block will prolong their life appears to be holding true, as Congress just reversed the decision to cut the C-17 by giving it $2.2B.....

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...n-funding-for-c_17-production.html

(Source: US Senator Christopher (Kit) Bond; issued June 2, 2009)

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"WASHINGTON, DC --- U.S. Senator Kit Bond today cheered the news that a tentative agreement on the final troops funding bill includes $2.2 billion to keep the C-17 airlift line in production. Since President Obama announced his decision to close our nation%u2019s only large airlift line, Bond has taken the lead in reversing this dangerous gamble with our national security."



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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8036 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4699 times:

That's why the idea of a European fleet of C-17's powered by the Rolls-Royce RB.211-535E engine may not sound so far-fetched anymore. The C-17's mission profile so overlaps the A400M's that European air forces might just end up with 100-120 planes. Remember when the RAF canceled the Nimrod AEW. 3 and replaced it with a CFM56-powered variant of the E-3 Sentry?

User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4669 times:



Quoting RayChuang (Reply 3):
That's why the idea of a European fleet of C-17's powered by the Rolls-Royce RB.211-535E engine may not sound so far-fetched anymore. The C-17's mission profile so overlaps the A400M's that European air forces might just end up with 100-120 planes. Remember when the RAF canceled the Nimrod AEW. 3 and replaced it with a CFM56-powered variant of the E-3 Sentry?

At this point it would not be to much of a suprise to see the C-17 ordered by another European country. Although it would more than likely be powered by Pratt motors. Adding the RB211 would just make the plane more expensive due to development, production and flight test costs.


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4700 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4627 times:



Quoting LMP737 (Reply 4):
Although it would more than likely be powered by Pratt motors. Adding the RB211 would just make the plane more expensive due to development, production and flight test costs.

And the RB211 is also less fuel efficient.



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7809 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4594 times:

Talking about the Nimrod AEW3, iirc they nearly lost one during testing. The heat from the onboard electronic almost caused a fire.

Furthermore, the nose & tail radars did not work out, probably because they got two images which had to be overlaid.

I also understand that it was set to pick up all moving targets including choppers.

Guess what happened when it flew over a motorway.  Smile

I recall talking to the pilots at Abingdon in 1987. They said that they "were not allowed to say anything against it". Nuff said.


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8036 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4456 times:

I think the problem with the Nimrod AEW. 3 was that the radar and computer technology at the time was just not sufficient to make it work. If they had built the AEW. 3 today using today's better radar sensor designs and modern computer technology, it probably would have worked correctly.

I still think that in the end, if EADS can't figure out how to make the A400M work, there could be a potential HUGE order for the C-17 for European air forces because 1) the plane is readily available for new production and 2) it may end up costing far less on a per plane basis to buy a new C-17 than to buy a new A400M.


User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7648 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4438 times:



Quoting RayChuang (Reply 7):
if EADS can't figure out how to make the A400M work

The transport plane will be built, a matter of pride, whether it is modified and the numbers lowered, additional delays etc., I do not see a cancellation being considered, that would cede the medium / heavy lift market.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12957 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4310 times:



Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 2):
Bond has taken the lead in reversing this dangerous gamble with our national security.

Yes, I'm now sleeping better at night because Boeing will get another $2.2B and we'll have 213 C-17s instead of "only" 205.

Quoting Par13del (Reply 8):
The transport plane will be built, a matter of pride, whether it is modified and the numbers lowered, additional delays etc., I do not see a cancellation being considered, that would cede the medium / heavy lift market.

If the EU has politicians like Bond, they'll be making them years after the EU air forces stop asking for them.



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