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A Brief, Unplanned, Flight Of An HP Victor  
User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13211 posts, RR: 77
Posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9411 times:

Since final RAF retirement in 1993, (after a swan song in the first Gulf War), a preserved Handley Page Victor tanker (former bomber), has done taxi runs at it's home in the UK, by it's civilian owners.

No cert. to fly then, but a few weeks ago, one such taxi run for the spectators went a bit......further than planned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3HaeYVlBw8

(Thanks to Air Net member Black Projects for finding this, we had been waiting for an actual video of this event).

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User currently offlineSAAB900 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9397 times:

I'd seen the photo's in the aviation magazines but nothing prepared me for this video footage! That was scary & very close to an accident! Thanks for posting this.
Does anybody know what the CAA has said about the incident or if there is any fallout from this?
I've been to these high speed taxi runs at Bruntingthorpe in the past & they're fantastic,the whole ground shakes & the noise is amazing, but surely these must be in jeopardy now? Allthough I hope not!
Full credit to the pilot for getting it back down safely in one piece!

Dave(SAAB900)


User currently onlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3594 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9336 times:

I had seen this unintentional flight mentioned in the media, but had assumed that it was literally a short straight hop. The film was certainly an eye opener, and appeared to give the impression that the incident was a "brown pants all round" affair
This appears to be a disaster, averted by a great degree of piloting skill. One does of course have to consider if the initial high speed run was a little over done.


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7615 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 9297 times:

Reminds me of when I "landed" a Tristar on the European Aviation simulator at Bournemouth Airport in 2000.

User currently offlineRyan h From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 1548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9174 times:

Didn't know there was also a taxi able Victor there. Saw one taxi at Elvington a couple of years back.
Lucky to get it back on the ground.



South Australian Spotter
User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7420 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9153 times:

Would the plane have broken up had it actually taken off? Would it be difficult to get it airworthy?

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9096 times:

Hmmm...it looks like the trim is set nose up (stabilizer leading edge slight down angle), and they were not at VR (rotate) speed yet. After the airplane leaves the ground effect, it nearly stalls, leveled, then flown back into ground affect, slight climb, then nearly stalls again before recovery and landing. Outstanding piloting skills saved the airplane and their lives.

It has been many years since I have scene a Victor Tanker, and I am glad they saved this one. I'm sure there is an investigation as to what really happened, since she was not cleared to fly.


User currently onlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3594 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9055 times:



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 5):
Would the plane have broken up had it actually taken off? Would it be difficult to get it airworthy?

I think its fair to say that if it could survive this form of not taking off, a full circuit would probably have been safer


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13211 posts, RR: 77
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9019 times:

From another angle;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh2YSzBdWFg

Thanks again to Black Projects .
As he said - 'cleaning lady to the cockpit please'.


User currently offlineMichlis From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 737 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8972 times:

Holy sh-t!  wideeyed 


If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the outcome of a hundred battles.
User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8796 times:

Bit quick for a taxi run, then again, a very light aircraft, full power and a maybe a bit of a breeze and maybe this is the result. It's a pitty there isn't a Valiant around that does taxi runs, we could have all 3 of the old V-force airborne this year!!

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8702 times:



Quoting GDB (Reply 8):
From another angle;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh2YS...BdWFg

From that angle, it looks like he landed in the grass (dirt being blown up on landing), then rolled back onto the runway.

Was there any damage to the airplane?


User currently offlineArluna From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 88 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8600 times:

Hello all,

It looked to me like the old lady really wanted to fly, she wanted to be in her nautral habitat!

Excellent airmanship!

J


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 8521 times:

Which is the uglier airplane? The Victor bomber/tanker or the A-10 Warthog?

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13211 posts, RR: 77
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8503 times:

UGLY! Ugly? The Victor is ugly you say?
Sacrilege!!!

The Victor is one of the most beautiful bombers ever built! (Accepting that such types are at an inherent disadvantage to say fighters).

Now the Valiant, that was....somewhat..... workmanlike.

Perhaps though, 'striking' is a better word to describe the Victor.
In a Penelope Cruz 'should not look great, but does', sort of way.

When it appeared at a Farnborough Airshow in the 1950's, some USAF officers were so taken with it's appearance, they asked to visit the factory.
Did they ever get a shock, they were expecting a version of Wichita transplanted into England, what they saw was basically a huge shed.

After it's combat swansong in the 1991 Gulf war, a Victor was visiting an airshow in the US.
Many who go to airshows are not aviation nuts as such, for many it's a family day out. Bearing in mind the Victor was not well known outside the UK (and not so well known here either, being rather overshadowed by the Vulcan), some of the visitors saw this large aircraft on static display, looking menacing, in a toned down camo livery, all curves, even the wings, odd looking to be sure.
Some asked if this was some kind of British stealth bomber.
The crews were flattered, they answered that yes it had once been a bomber, a good one too, but for the previous 20 years it had been a refueling aircraft.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13211 posts, RR: 77
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8499 times:

http://www.wingweb.co.uk/wingweb/img/450-Handley_page_victor_b1_hp.jpg

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace...es/15800/640x480/fa-40067s-jpg.jpg


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13211 posts, RR: 77
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8493 times:

(Sorry about the multiple posts, it seems that 'edit post' is acting as the spellchecker was yesterday)

A pic of the 'unplanned flight'


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Victors in action;


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User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8492 times:



Quoting GDB (Reply 14):
UGLY! Ugly? The Victor is ugly you say?
Sacrilege!!!

The Victor is one of the most beautiful bombers ever built! (Accepting that such types are at an inherent disadvantage to say fighters).

Agree 100% GDB. KC135TopBoom crossed a line there. The HP crescent-wing design was one of the most elegant creations ever.



Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7615 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8416 times:

How much risk it there of this happening on these taxi runs.

User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1651 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8342 times:



Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 18):
How much risk it there of this happening on these taxi runs.

Ask Howard Hughes.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8301 times:
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The Handley Page Victor is one of the most graceful and beautiful airplanes ever made to fly. It looks menacing and gorgeous at the same time, and still looks futuristic today, 40 or 50 years after it was designed.

I'm glad it flew, even if unintentionally, just to prove it could. More glad it was landed safely. I can only imagine the pucker factor when it lifted off without enough airspeed to stay aloft.



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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13211 posts, RR: 77
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8230 times:

During the 1960's, a RAF maintenance engineer was performing ground runs on a BAC Lightening fighter.
The aircraft jumped it's chocks and sped down the runway, the hapless engineer in the cockpit was going to end up hitting something so, with only a few hours years before on a little DH Chipmunk trainer, rotated it and managed to to bring it down for a safe landing.
But then that machine did have a hell of a power to weight ratio for it's time!


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8201 times:



Quoting GDB (Reply 14):
UGLY! Ugly? The Victor is ugly you say?
Sacrilege!!!

The Victor is one of the most beautiful bombers ever built!

Want a great looking Bomber?

B-17

B-47

Lancaster

Vulcan

B-2

Sorry, the Victor, while one of the RAFs famous "V" bombers, still looks ugly to me. But, ugly is a good thing to have on a combat airplane. Just look at the uglyness of the A-10. Look how much it is loved (feared?) by the bad guys.


User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8199 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 22):
Sorry, the Victor, while one of the RAFs famous "V" bombers, still looks ugly to me. But, ugly is a good thing to have on a combat airplane. Just look at the uglyness of the A-10. Look how much it is loved (feared?) by the bad guy.

Clearly you know nothing of the grace and beauty of a crescent wing, or anything at all one might suppose about what advantages it brings.  banghead 



Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8121 times:



Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 23):
Clearly you know nothing of the grace and beauty of a crescent wing, or anything at all one might suppose about what advantages it brings.

Maybe I don't. But I do know that neither Boeing, LM, NG, or Airbus use the cresent wing design.


25 GDB : [quote=Connies4ever,reply=23]Clearly you know nothing of the grace and beauty of a crescent wing, or anything at all one might suppose about what adva
26 LMP737 : At the 1991 NAS Miramar air show there was Victor on static display. I wouldn't call her ugly, just that she had some unique lines.
27 GDB : The Crescent wing was very advanced for it's time (remember we are talking about an aircraft conceived in the late 1940's/early 1950's, from a specifi
28 HangarRat : Ugly's too blunt a term. Gothic is the term that comes to mind. The Victor is brutal and utilitarian -- a bunch of shapes kludged together in the way
29 Bennett123 : GDB it was at Lyneham at 33MU(?) in 1967/1968(?). I think it was an F1.
30 Post contains links Bennett123 : http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/printthread.php?t=20807 There you are.
31 757GB : I don't know how to define the look... it DOES have personality. I can't call her beautiful but I do like that design a lot. Love looking at it. As so
32 HangarRat : I never said it wasn't beautiful. It's just a different "language" than most of use are used to.
33 GDB : Thanks Bennett, your searching succeeded where mine failed! Victor was better looking than the B-52. But I think that a better comparison is with the
34 KC135TopBoom : Light gross weight, stab trim set for TO, full thrust? Was Hughes in the Victor too? That would really stink up the cockpit. There is a reason the B-
35 GDB : I doubt I will, but I'd love to hear a TU-95 in flight. It's said that those props emit an odd harmonic sound. But having seen Vulcan's and Victors ma
36 David L : I'd say it was also better looking than... The Lancaster looked functional, menacing, business-like, "impressive"; every bump, straight line and righ
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