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A Few Questions About Variable-incidence Wings  
User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 5404 posts, RR: 53
Posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3771 times:

Last weekend I took my fiancee to Charleston, SC and, among other things we visited the USS Yorktown (CV-10) at the Patriot's Point Naval & Maritime Museum. My fiancee being a fledgling aviation geek I was showing her the various planes they have on the Yorktown's flight deck and while showing her an F-8 Crusader, a few questions came to mind: firstly, did variable-incidence wings have any combat applications ? I know they helped reduce landing/take-off distances but did they have any other uses? How were they controlled - was it an automatic feature or did a pilot have to manually set the angle of incidence? Also, why did they never quite catch on? I know they were also a feature on the XB-51, but beyond that I can't think of a combat aircraft they appeared on. Was the weight penalty from the variable-incidence mechanism just not worth the returns?


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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2116 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3673 times:



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Thread starter):
I know they helped reduce landing/take-off distances but did they have any other uses? How were they controlled - was it an automatic feature or did a pilot have to manually set the angle of incidence?

It wasn't to reduce landing distance so much as landing speeds. Or more specifically the F-8 needed a certain AoA maintained on approach to the carrier which would have reduced pilot visibility and, with the F-8's particuliar landing gear configuration, produced a real danger of tail scraping. Being able to raise the wing gave the pilot better visibilty while keeping the fuselage more level to the flight deck on approach and landing.

It was controlled by the pilot and ony had 2 settings... flush with the fuselage and 7 degrees of incidence.



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User currently offlineBoeingFixer From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3672 times:

The variable incidence feature on both the F-8 and XB-51 was essentially for a single purpose. It allowed the aircraft a slower approach/takeoff speed without having a prohibitively high fuselage deck angle. In essence it allowed the wing to fly at a higher angle of attack without the associated complexities, weight and design of longer landing gear.

The F-8 wing incidence is controlled via an Incidence control in the cockpit and a hydraulic actuator at the forward end of the wing. The trailing edge flaps are also mechanically linked with the wing incidence as well as the aileron power control and are drooped to 20 degrees with the wing raised and are faired with the wing lowered.

As for the XB-51, I have no clue as to how they designed the system to work.

Cheers,

John



Cheers, John YYC
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12158 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3657 times:

The XB-51;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XB-51


User currently offlineBoeingFixer From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3622 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
The XB-51;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XB-51

Saw it. Only thing is that it doesn't explain the design of the Variable Incidence on the XB-51, if it was automatic or how it generally functioned as the OP questioned.



Cheers, John YYC
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12158 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3576 times:



Quoting BoeingFixer (Reply 4):
Only thing is that it doesn't explain the design of the Variable Incidence on the XB-51, if it was automatic or how it generally functioned as the OP questioned.

The variable incidence of the wing on the XB-51 was manually set by the pilot. As to if it would have gotten an automatic system, if it went into production, I don't know.


User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3571 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
The variable incidence of the wing on the XB-51 was manually set by the pilot. As to if it would have gotten an automatic system, if it went into production, I don't know.

We're talking about an airplane from the early to middle 50's. Was the technology in place to make variable incidence automatic?



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