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Lt Cmdr Speichers Remains Found In Iraq  
User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3504 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4317 times:
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Lt Cmdr Speichers remains found in Iraq...

Those of you who have been watching the situation in Iraq over the last 20 years may recall all the speculation regarding Lt Cmdr Speicher, i.e. still held POW, tortured, etc.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/08/02/us.gulf.war.remains/index.html

RIP Capt Speicher and thank you for your service......


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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16825 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4269 times:

Hopefully this brings some type of closure and peace to his family, 18 years is a long time.


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4265 times:

I have still not learned where his body was found in relation to his aircraft wreckage.


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3504 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4259 times:
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Quoting EMBQA (Reply 2):
I have still not learned where his body was found in relation to his aircraft wreckage.

A bit more info in the actual press release... but not much....

http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=12862

I'm sure we'll hear more later as the story firms up. DoD probably had to do a release now to keep the press from harassing the family.....

Press release:

Remains Identified as Navy Captain Michael Scott Speicher




The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP) has positively identified remains recovered in Iraq as those of Captain Michael Scott Speicher. Captain Speicher was shot down flying a combat mission in an F/A-18 Hornet over west-central Iraq on January 17th, 1991 during Operation Desert Storm.



"Our thoughts and prayers are with Captain Speicher's family for the ultimate sacrifice he made for his country," said Ray Mabus, Secretary of the Navy. "I am also extremely grateful to all those who have worked so tirelessly over the last 18 years to bring Captain Speicher home."



“Our Navy will never give up looking for a shipmate, regardless of how long or how difficult that search may be,” said Admiral Gary Roughead, Chief of Naval Operations. “We owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to Captain Speicher and his family for the sacrifice they have made for our nation and the example of strength they have set for all of us.”



Acting on information provided by an Iraqi citizen in early July, US Marines stationed in Al Anbar Province went to a location in the desert which was believed to be the crash site of Captain Speicher’s jet. The Iraqi citizen stated he knew of two Iraqi citizens who recalled an American jet impacting the desert and the remains of the pilot being buried in the desert. One of these Iraqi citizens stated that they were present when Captain Speicher was found dead at the crash site by Bedouins and his remains buried. The Iraqi citizens led US Marines to the site who searched the area. Remains were recovered over several days during the past week and flown to Dover Air Force Base for scientific identification by the AFIP’s Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner.



The recovered remains include bones and multiple skeletal fragments. Positive identification was made by comparing Captain Speicher’s dental records with the jawbone recovered at the site. The teeth are a match, both visually and radiographically.



While dental records have confirmed the remains to be those of Captain Speicher, the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology DNA Lab in Rockville, Maryland is running DNA tests on the remains recovered in Iraq and comparing them to DNA reference samples previously provided by family members. Results will take approximately 24 hours.



A high-resolution photo of Captain Speicher is available at http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=2934



Contact: Navy Public Affairs (703) 697-5342.

edit: added press release

[Edited 2009-08-02 08:38:35]


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User currently offlineJackonicko From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 472 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4033 times:

RIP Cdr Speicher, the only allied A-A loss of the war.

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4008 times:



Quoting Jackonicko (Reply 4):
the only allied A-A loss of the war.

A-A....???



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3504 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3970 times:
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AA=Anti Aircraft weapon


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3942 times:

Quoting Jackonicko (Reply 4):
RIP Cdr Speicher, the only allied A-A loss of the war.



Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 6):
AA=Anti Aircraft weapon

That is what I was thinking.. but several crews were lost to AA... not just Cdr Speicer.. He was just the first on the first night.

[Edited 2009-08-03 12:19:03]


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineJackonicko From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 472 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3884 times:

Not AAA, A-A. Air-to-air. Shot down by a MiG-25.

User currently offlineJohnM From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

Glad his family has closure. Anyone know of the lat/long of where his remains were found? I heard Al Anbar, but would like some more detail. Was wondering if I had been near where the crash site....

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3852 times:



Quoting Jackonicko (Reply 4):
the only allied A-A loss of the war.



Quoting Jackonicko (Reply 8):
Not AAA, A-A. Air-to-air. Shot down by a MiG-25.

Correct. It was the only Iraqi Air Force kill of Desert Storm. Even though the USN says he was shot down by AAA or a SAM, other members of his flight confirmed he was shot down by a Mig-25, who was later shot down by a USAF F-15C flying CAP.

RIP, Capt. Speicher, and welcome home, my friend.


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3504 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3622 times:
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DoD releases more details today...


http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=12877

Speicher Search Details Announced


The Navy announced today additional details regarding the recent discovery of the remains of Navy Capt. Michael “Scott” Speicher in Iraq. Speicher was shot down flying a combat mission in an F/A-18 Hornet over west-central Iraq on Jan. 17, 1991, during Operation Desert Storm.

Acting in part on information provided by an Iraqi citizen in early July, Multi National Force – West’s (MNF-W) personnel recovery team went to a location in the desert which was believed to be the crash site of Speicher’s jet. The Iraqi, a Bedouin, was 11 years old at the time of the crash and did not have direct knowledge of where Speicher was buried, but knew of other Bedouins who did. He willingly provided his information during general discussion with MNF-W personnel and stated he was unaware of the U.S. government’s interest in this case until queried by U.S. investigators in July 2009.

The Iraqi citizens led MNF-W’s personnel recovery team to the area they believed Speicher was buried. The area where the remains were recovered was located approximately 100 kilometers west of Ramadi, in Anbar province. There were two sites that teams searched. One site was next to the downed aircraft that was discovered in 1993 and the other site was approximately two kilometers away. The second site was where Speicher’s remains were recovered.

The recovery personnel searched two sites from July 22-29. The personnel recovery team consisted of approximately 150 people, mostly Marines and other forces under MNF-W.

The recovered remains include bones and multiple skeletal fragments. Based on visual examination of the remains and dental records at the site, a preliminary assessment was reached that the remains were that of Speicher. After searching the site another day, no further remains were recovered.

On July 30, the remains were turned over from the recovery team to MNF-W mortuary affairs at Al Asad. The remains were then transported to the Mortuary Affairs Operations Center at Dover Air Force Base, Del. They were examined by the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology’s (AFIP) Armed Forces medical examiner who positively identified them as those of Speicher on Aug. 1.

Positive identification by AFIP was made by comparing Speicher’s dental records with the jawbone recovered at the site. The teeth were a match, both visually and radiographically. AFIP’s DNA Lab in Rockville, Md., confirmed the remains to be Speicher on Aug. 2 via DNA comparison tests of the remains by comparing them to DNA reference samples previously provided by family members.

Photos are available at http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=2934 .

For additional information, please contact Navy public affairs at (703) 697-5342.



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3617 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
Correct. It was the only Iraqi Air Force kill of Desert Storm. Even though the USN says he was shot down by AAA or a SAM, other members of his flight confirmed he was shot down by a Mig-25, who was later shot down by a USAF F-15C flying CAP.

Unfortunately for Capt Speicher his RWR gear failed early on in his flight. Which of course left him effectively blind to threats.


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3829 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

Will he remain a captain or will it revert back to the rank when he was shot down? I believe he was promoted twice because of his then status as an MIA.


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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3173 times:

This is a incredible story , and a incredible effort by the DOD recovery teams and investigators. RIP Lt Speicher ...


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