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Official STS-129 Atlantis Shuttle Mission Thread  
User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3433 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11008 times:
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STS-128 is on the ground at Edwards... Time to start the STS-129 thread... I hate to say it but these ISS missions are starting to get tedious... same orbit, similiar EVAs, etc... But it's what we've got for manned spaceflight until Ares/Orion (or whatever) gets going....

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Launch Target:
Nov. 12, 2009

Orbiter:
Atlantis

Mission Number:
STS-129
(129th space shuttle flight)

Launch Window:
10 minutes

Launch Pad:
39A

Mission Duration:
11 days

Landing Site:
KSC

Inclination/Altitude:
51.6 degrees/122 nautical miles

Primary Payload:
31st station flight (ULF3), EXPRESS Logistics Carrier 1 (ELC1), EXPRESS Logistics Carrier 2 (ELC2)

Commander Charlie Hobaugh will lead the STS-129 mission to the International Space Station aboard space shuttle Atlantis. Barry Wilmore will serve as the pilot. Mission Specialists are Robert Satcher, Michael Foreman, Randy Bresnik and Leland Melvin. Wilmore, Satcher and Bresnik will be making their first trips to space.

The mission will return station crew member Nicole Stott to Earth. STS-129 is slated to be the final space shuttle crew rotation flight to or from the space station.

Atlantis will deliver parts to the space station, including a spare gyroscope. The mission will feature three spacewalks.

STS-129 is the 31st shuttle mission to the station.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sh.../shuttlemissions/sts129/index.html

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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3433 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11008 times:
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BTW:

I just noticed Moon and Mars figure prominently in STS-129 crew patch. Wishful thinking?



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User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3396 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11000 times:

The last missions went quite well, despite some delays. Maybe, if they continue like that, they could even keep the 2010 deadline?

User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3433 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10995 times:
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Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 2):
Maybe, if they continue like that, they could even keep the 2010 deadline?

Checking the ISS launch schedule it looks like there is very little to no margin for shuttle delays......


Sept. 10, 2009
HTV-1 H-IIB Japanese H-II Transfer Vehicle

Sept. 30, 2009 20S Soyuz TMA-16 Crew transport

Oct. 15, 2009 35P ISS Progress 35 Logistics and resupply

Nov. 10, 2009 5R Russian Soyuz Mini Research Module 2 (MRM2)

Nov. 12, 2009 ULF3 Atlantis
STS-129 EXPRESS Logistics Carrier 1 (ELC1)
EXPRESS Logistics Carrier 2 (ELC2)

Dec. 7, 2009 21S Soyuz TMA-17 Crew transport

Dec. 26, 2009 36P ISS Progress 36 Logistics and resupply

Feb. 3, 2010 37P ISS Progress 37 Logistics and resupply

Feb. 4, 2010 20A Endeavour
STS-130 Tranquility Node 3
Cupola

March 18, 2010 19A Discovery
STS-131 Multi-Purpose Logistics Module (MPLM)
Lightweight Multi-Purpose Experiment Support Structure Carrier (LMC)

April 2, 2010 22S Soyuz TMA-18 Crew transport

April 27, 2010 38P ISS Progress 38 Logistics and resupply

May 14, 2010 ULF4 Atlantis
STS-132 Integrated Cargo Carrier (ICC)
Mini Research Module (MRM1)

May 29, 2010 23S Soyuz TMA-19 Crew transport

June 2010 ATV2 Ariane 5 European Automated Transfer Vehicle 2

June 25, 2010 39P ISS Progress 39 Logistics and resupply

July 29, 2010 ULF5 or ULF6 Endeavour
STS-133 or STS-134
STS-133
EXPRESS Logistics Carrier 4 (ELC4)
Multi-Purpose Logistics Module (MPLM)
STS-134
EXPRESS Logistics Carrier 3 (ELC3)
Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer (AMS)

Aug. 11, 2010
40P ISS Progress 40 Logistics and resupply

Sept. 16, 2010 ULF5 or ULF6 Discovery
STS-133 or STS-134
STS-133
EXPRESS Logistics Carrier 4 (ELC4)
Multi-Purpose Logistics Module (MPLM)
STS-134
EXPRESS Logistics Carrier 3 (ELC3)
Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer (AMS)



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User currently offlineJoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10879 times:

So Sept 16th is it that will be the last flight as of now?

User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10642 times:



Quoting JoseKMLB (Reply 4):
So Sept 16th is it that will be the last flight as of now?

According to NASA's website:

http://www.nasa.gov/missions/highlights/schedule.html

It looks like they have seven launches scheduled still including the next one, STS-129 Atlantis on or around November 12th, 2009. STS-133's crew has already been penciled in either the last or second to last Shuttle trip. I still have time to get to a launch.

David



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User currently offlineSNA350 From Belgium, joined Dec 2005, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10188 times:

Atlantis arrived at the pad, on time for the nov 12 launch

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2009/...ad-39a-frr-aided-by-clean-sts-128/



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10728 posts, RR: 38
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10172 times:

Are NASA going to scrap all Shuttle launches after Sept. 2010?
When will the last Shuttle crew go up and back? I hope they will send more ladies up there.

I would not want to miss out on going to see a launch before they terminate the flights.
So you all seem to think there will be no more flights in 2011?  Sad  Confused



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineRwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2238 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 10120 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 7):
Are NASA going to scrap all Shuttle launches after Sept. 2010?
When will the last Shuttle crew go up and back? I hope they will send more ladies up there.

I would not want to miss out on going to see a launch before they terminate the flights.
So you all seem to think there will be no more flights in 2011?

That's the schedule. Most people think that while there will be no Shuttle flights after STS-133 (which will fly after STS-134), NASA won't be able to keep the current schedule, and the last flight of the program will slip into early 2011. But there likely won't be any more than the six currently scheduled flights.

There are women astronauts scheduled to fly on STS-129 (Nicole Stott - return leg only - she's onboard ISS now), STS-130 (Kathryn Hire), STS-131 (Dorothy Metcalf-Lindenburger, Stephanie Wilson, Naoko Yamazaki*), and STS-133 (Nicole Stott).

Karen Nyberg *was* scheduled to fly STS-132 until a couple of months ago, but she apparently had a medical issue and was replaced.

No further ISS crew exchanges are planned via the shuttle at this point (after Stott’s return on STS-129), so unless things change (always possible), I think that's it for women flying on the shuttle.


*JAXA


User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3396 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10108 times:

The Augustine Review will soon make a statement, so we have to wait what they say. I fear they cancel the moon.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10728 posts, RR: 38
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10101 times:



Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 9):
I fear they cancel the moon.

I so much wished that the wars budget would be allocated to Space missions and research instead. Can you imagine how much more money they would have!



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3433 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9954 times:
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Quoting ZANL188 (Thread starter):
Launch Target:
Nov. 12, 2009

Launch now slipped to 16 Nov to accomodate an Atlas V (Intelsat 14) launch. One attempt on the 16th, possibly a second on the 17th. After that they'll have to stand down for Delta IV WGS launch on the 18th.



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User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 9874 times:

Does the Aries program's schedule conflict with the Shuttle Program's remaining launches? Do the aries flights add to the number of "STS" flight numbering?

David



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User currently offlineRwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2238 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 8 hours ago) and read 9848 times:
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Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 12):
Does the Aries program's schedule conflict with the Shuttle Program's remaining launches? Do the aries flights add to the number of "STS" flight numbering?

In the sense that it uses some of the same facilities. I don't know how far along the mods to pad 39B are at this point (it was officially deactivated for Shuttle use a couple of years ago), and if they could still use 39B for the Shuttle in an emergency, but all the remaining Shuttle flights are scheduled to use 39A. After that, both pads will be modified to dedicated Ares-I (39B) and Ares-5 (39A) roles. There have also been mods to the VAB to support Ares-I assembly (and bigger changes are planned to support Ares-V after the Shuttle program ends).

I expect that if there's a conflict between a Shuttle mission at this point and an Ares test, the Ares test will get much lower priority.

Mind you that next week’s test is the *only* Ares flight scheduled before 2013, so the opportunity for conflicts should be minimal.

The STS numbers do not include any of the Ares flights, so the six remaining Shuttle flights will remain STS-129 through STS-134.


User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9696 times:



Quoting Rwessel (Reply 13):
and if they could still use 39B for the Shuttle in an emergency, but all the remaining Shuttle flights are scheduled to use 39A. After that, both pads will be modified to dedicated Ares-I (39B) and Ares-5 (39A) roles. There have also been mods to the VAB to support Ares-I assembly (and bigger changes are planned to support Ares-V after the Shuttle program ends).

- Are the Ares launch(es) a prelude to man-flight using that rocket?

Quoting Rwessel (Reply 13):
The STS numbers do not include any of the Ares flights, so the six remaining Shuttle flights will remain STS-129 through STS-134.

- If the Ares program does progress into man-flight, will they then use "STS" numbers or use another prefix?

David



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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3433 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9690 times:
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Quoting Rwessel (Reply 13):
I don't know how far along the mods to pad 39B are at this point (it was officially deactivated for Shuttle use a couple of years ago), and if they could still use 39B for the Shuttle in an emergency,

Endeavour would have used pad B for launch on need support just this past spring in support of the HST. I believe it was the Rotating Service Structure or Payload Changeout Room that was decertified for shuttle use not the pad itself

Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 14):
- Are the Ares launch(es) a prelude to man-flight using that rocket?

Yes. Ares V is unmanned.

Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 14):
- If the Ares program does progress into man-flight, will they then use "STS" numbers or use another prefix?

Very unlikely NASA will continue to use "STS". STS stands for Space Transportation System which is another name for the Shuttle Program. I'd guess they'll probably come up with an acronym based off of the "Constellation" program name.



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User currently offlineRwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2238 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9610 times:
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Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 14):
- Are the Ares launch(es) a prelude to man-flight using that rocket?



Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 14):
- If the Ares program does progress into man-flight, will they then use "STS" numbers or use another prefix?

Ares-I is intended for manned flight. Next week's Ares-I-X will be a limited function test flight. Ares-I-Y (scheduled for 2013) will be a test with considerably more of the “real” hardware. There will then be an unmanned test mission with a full-up Ares-I and an Orion in 2014 (currently identified as the “Orion-1” mission), followed a manned flight (“Orion-2”), both in 2014. Names for the planned Orion missions are following the “Orion-nn” scheme at the moment.


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3433 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9594 times:
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Quoting Rwessel (Reply 16):
There will then be an unmanned test mission with a full-up Ares-I and an Orion in 2014 (currently identified as the “Orion-1” mission), followed a manned flight (“Orion-2”), both in 2014. Names for the planned Orion missions are following the “Orion-nn” scheme at the moment.

"Orion-nn" would be the radio call sign. I wonder if Ares will follow the Apollo/Shuttle pattern of mission designators and radio call signs?

Mission Designator "STS-129" also referred to by callsign "Atlantis"

Mission Designator "SA-503" callsign "Apollo 8"

Mission Designator "AO-102" callsign "Orion 2" ??



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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3433 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9208 times:
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Less Than Two Weeks to Launch
Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:47:40 AM EST


At NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida, Launch Pad 39A technicians are loading space shuttle Atlantis' two, mass-memory units today. Located in the middeck's two avionics bays, each reel-to-reel digital magnetic tape storage device holds basic flight software for the shuttle's general purpose computers and can store additional data.

Preparations for final ordnance installations and connections at the pad will begin today and are expected to wrap up this weekend.

At NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston, the STS-129 mission's six astronauts will be given their L-10 physicals today. They'll also practice integrated entry procedures in Johnson's motion base simulator.

Atlantis is scheduled to launch on its 11-day supply mission to the International Space Station at 2:28 p.m. EST Nov. 16.


NASA is also working an issue, fleet wide, with a structural issue in the OMS pods. Apparently some attach points are seeing higher than expected acoustic loads at Main Engine ignition.


STS-129 Press Kit also now available at:

http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/398418main_STS-129%20Press%20Kit.pdf

[Edited 2009-11-08 04:24:58]


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User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2690 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8952 times:

2 days until launch....


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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3433 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8883 times:
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Launch forecast for tommorrow courtesy Patrick AFB forecasters (Issued at 12Z today):

Probability of KSC weather prohibiting launch: 10%
Probability of KSC weather prohibiting tanking: 0%
Primary concern(s): Low cloud ceiling

Probability of KSC weather prohibiting launch for 24-hour delay: 30%
Probability of KSC weather prohibiting tanking: 0%
Primary concern(s): Low cloud ceiling, SLF crosswinds

Probability of KSC weather prohibiting launch for 48-hour delay: 60%
Probability of KSC weather prohibiting tanking: 10%
Primary concern(s): SLF crosswinds, showers within 20NM of the SLF, flight through precipitation


Looks good weather wise for a launch tommorrow. One item of concern - seas will be 7 to 9 ft in the SRB recovery area. Not a constraint to launch but may delay SRB recovery until the seas subside.



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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3244 posts, RR: 45
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8808 times:

Sorry to get off topic, but I was just curious, since it was mentioned earlier in the thread regarding the two pads, 39A and 39B, if, hypothetically, an emergency mission had to be flown, approximately how long would it take from the decision to fly the mission to lift-off?

What would the logistics of such a mission be? How would a crew be selected (presumably, they'd be different from the crew slated for the next planned mission)?

I've always wondered this, if there was ever some emergency aboard the ISS or something that required a launch, how would it get done? Would NASA even be the primary go-to, or would some other country have a quicker response available?

As for STS-129, I'm excited! I'll hopefully get to watch it online tomorrow, if I'm not at home. Atlantis has always been my favorite shuttle, for some strange reason.

Cheers,
Cameron


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Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 21):
I've always wondered this, if there was ever some emergency aboard the ISS or something that required a launch, how would it get done? Would NASA even be the primary go-to, or would some other country have a quicker response available?

Basically there is very little capability for any sort of timely emergency launch of a manned spacecraft. For the next year or so, a Shuttle launch will always be about two-three months away, and repurposing one of those flights would not be impossible. After that, the US won't have any manned launch capacity until probably about 2017. The Russians also have very limited flexibility - they simply don't have a big stock of R-7s and Soyuz to use, and the manufacturing lead times are quite long. But those flights are planned for every three or six months into the foreseeable future, so that's probably the baseline for an emergency Soyuz launch.

A sufficient emergency on board ISS will result in a prompt evacuation via the two Soyuz always docked there (until recently, there was only one, and that limited the permanent crew to three - now with construction further along, the six person crew requires two Soyuz). Note that the Soyuz have limited lifespans on orbit (a bit over seven months, at the moment) and are rotated out in that interval with crew changes.

An emergency that does not require the (hopefully temporary) abandonment of the station (say one crewmember becomes seriously ill), can use one of the Soyuz to evacuate half the crew (presumably including the sick guy), since you can't leave more than three people on board if there's only one Soyuz.

Slightly more flexibility is provided by Progress, HTV-1 (from Japan) and Jules Verne (from Europe) for moving cargo to the station (remembering that only Progress has anything like a regular launch schedule at the moment), and if some broken part needed urgently to be replaced (and no spare was on orbit), a pending launch of one of those would likely be repurposed. While none of those have particularly flexible flight schedules (and no real stocks of any of these vehicles exist), their unmanned nature makes a faster response at least somewhat plausible. And just the fact that these will be additional regularly scheduled flights will give up more opportunities to ferry stuff up.


User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1400 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8727 times:

Looked like a clean launch, just passing Negative Return as of now.

Godspeed STS-129

-DiamondFlyer



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21092 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8718 times:

Nominal MECO, and Atlantis is in orbit!

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 23):
Looked like a clean launch

Very clean launch indeed, very little trouble with foam loss from what I could see on the ET camera view. Impressive.

-Mir



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25 BEG2IAH : Godspeed, Atlantis. It was a great launch. BEG2IAH
26 FlybaurLAX : Wonderful! A very nice launch. Looked like a very textbook launch. What a wonderful way to spend a Thanksgiving next week for the crew.
27 Legs : What are the limiting factors that keep the time on orbit down?
28 TheSonntag : The rocket fuel. It uses long term rocket fuel which has only a limited lifespan.
29 Rwessel : The main issue is the lifetime of various seals in the fuel system. Hydrazine is corrosive, and the “easy” to use seals have a limited lifetime o
30 Legs : Thanks for the info guys, much obliged.
31 Bruce : Fantastic shot from the external tank camera on launch! minus some signal drop/static. Where in the tank is that camera mounted? Are there any pics fr
32 Post contains links ZANL188 : There's a fairing on the intertank where the oxygen feedline plumbing dives inside the outer mold line. The camera is in that fairing. http://www.scr
33 Post contains links ZANL188 : Wayne Hale relates a good shuttle thanksgiving day story on his blog.... Anyone who has had a house full of guests over for thanksgiving only to have
34 Post contains links ZANL188 : Landing data for tommorrow: 0836 EST Deorbit burn 0944 EST Landing No weather constraints anticipated Landing ground tracks available at: http://www.n
35 ZANL188 : Go for the burn in about 4 minutes. Weather is excellent.
36 ZANL188 : Burn complete . . . .
37 ZANL188 : And we're down... Picture perfect landing, picture perfect weather....
38 Tiger119 : - Does anyone have a link to video of the landing? Also has a shuttle ever landed at night? David (edit to add second quesiton)[Edited 2009-11-28 00:
39 Mir : Yes, many times, both at EDW and KSC. -Mir
40 Post contains links ZANL188 : I'm sure there are any number of links to landing video. Here's the official one from NASA, scroll down the right hand side..... You're welcome.... h
41 Post contains links Tiger119 : " target=_blank>http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sh....html - Thank you kindly, but the link would not work for me so I found it on YouTube: http://
42 ZANL188 : The SLF at KSC is X68.
43 Post contains links Tiger119 : - Thank you, that helped as I used it on www.airnav.com and it seems that it is now referred to a TTS with "X68" listed as "Former." - The main thing
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