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2 French Rafales Down?  
User currently offlineCURLYHEADBOY From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 940 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6478 times:

There's a short breaking news on an italian newsite:

"2 French Rafales crashed in the sea some 50km east of Perpignan tonight at around 6pm local time. Planes took off from carrier Charles De Gaulle, one pilot bailed out and has been rescued, another one is missing."

That if confirmed would be very sad news, anyone knows more?


If God had wanted men to fly he would have given them more money...
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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3939 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6361 times:

The German press agency DPA has the same information, except 30 km east from Perpignan and search going on for second pilot, and says this is a French Defence Ministry announcement.


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User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2758 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6328 times:

Yes sadly confirmed. Some 30km off the coast of Perpignan. 1 pilot rescued, still searching for the other one.

Link from SFR (sorry, only in French):

http://info.sfr.fr/faits-divers/arti...30/?sfrintid=HPA_actu_MEA1_portail



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12138 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6324 times:

I hope they find the second pilot soon, and alive. It is dark in that part of the world now, which makes finding him in that big sea even harder.

User currently offlineCURLYHEADBOY From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6313 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
I hope they find the second pilot soon, and alive. It is dark in that part of the world now, which makes finding him in that big sea even harder.

Yep, finger crossed for the pilot!
Don't fighter pilots have a locator beacon of some sort on their flight equipment so they can be found also at night and in bad weather?



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User currently offlineFerrypilot From New Zealand, joined Sep 2006, 897 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6170 times:

Visibility and clouds are no problem, but there will be a big sea running with those winds.

Forecast for: LFMP (PERPIGNAN/RIVESA, FR)
Text: LFMP 242300Z 2500/2524 33015KT CAVOK
Forecast period: 0000 UTC 25 September 2009 to 0000 UTC 26 September 2009
Forecast type: FROM: standard forecast or significant change
Winds: from the NNW (330 degrees) at 17 MPH (15 knots; 7.8 m/s)
Visibility: 6 or more miles (10+ km)
Clouds: not forecast
Weather: NSW (no significant weather)
Text: TEMPO 2500/2512 32020G30KT
Forecast period: 0000 to 1200 UTC 25 September 2009
Forecast type: TEMPORARY: The following changes expected for less than half the time period
Winds: from the NW (320 degrees) at 23 MPH (20 knots; 10.4 m/s)
gusting to 35 MPH (30 knots; 15.6 m/s)
Weather: no significant weather forecast for this period


User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5972 times:

The French navy is talking about an in flight collision. Of course, to put down 2 planes at the same time, it couldn't be something else.


http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/articl...l_1244931_3224.html#ens_id=1244933


User currently offlineChuchoteur From France, joined Sep 2006, 763 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5942 times:

Question is, did the 2nd pilot managed to eject?

This would be the second in-flight collision for the french aeronavale in recent years...
The last one was start of october 2008, between two SEM - Super Etendard Modernise, flying as a formation of 4 from Landivisau.

one pilot had managed to eject but the second one hadn't and died in the accident.

http://avionique.free.fr/spip.php?article1424


User currently offline777 From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5909 times:

Very sad news, this is the third loss of a Rafale IIRC.

Fingers crossed for the pilot still missing!


User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5491 times:

Latest news are:
- The two pilots were not regular French Navy airmen but test pilots,
- They flew the latest version of the Rafale, the one offered to Brasil,
- A piece of a wing was picked-up by a French Navy boat 40 km from where the first pilot was rescued,
- The signal of both beacons has now been acquired,
- Search continues to try and find the second pilot,
- It is the French Navy intention to locate the planes.


User currently offlineTGIF From Sweden, joined Apr 2008, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5235 times:

I'm sad to report that the search for the second pilot has been called off.

My thoughts and prayers go out to his family, friends and colleagues.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs...=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8491 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5152 times:

How sad that one human life and 2x $90 million works of human effort have gone to the bottom of the sea. That's really a large accident affecting a lot of people.

User currently offlineChuchoteur From France, joined Sep 2006, 763 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4862 times:

the body of the missing pilot has been confirmed as still on board his aircraft, located at a depth of 700m.

Link below, in french

http://secretdefense.blogs.liberatio...9-par-700-m%C3%A8tres-de-fond.html


User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4764 times:



Quoting Chuchoteur (Reply 12):
Link below, in french

And this one in English:
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4304736&c=EUR&s=AIR


User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4485 times:

Second pilot still inside the wreck of his Rafale located by the French Navy at a depth of 700m.
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...lots-body-with-crashed-rafale.html


User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3955 times:

The black box of the Rafale whose pilot died, has been located by the French Navy. Recovery from the 700 m depth will be tried on October 23rd with a remotely controlled vehicle (ROV). The weather conditions are not too good.
The other Rafale has also been located thanks to its beacon.


User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3373 times:

The black box of the second Rafale was finally recovered yesterday 18th November, 2009, informs the French Navy.

User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2971 times:

The French Defense Minister Morin, while o/b the aircraft carrier "Charles-de-Gaulle", indicated that the crash of the two Rafales was most probably due to pilot mistake. He also said that 10 earlier Rafales which are presently cocooned, will be re-activated after upgrade.

User currently offlineFerrypilot From New Zealand, joined Sep 2006, 897 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2935 times:



Quoting Breiz (Reply 17):
The French Defense Minister Morin, while o/b the aircraft carrier "Charles-de-Gaulle", indicated that the crash of the two Rafales was most probably due to pilot mistake.

It seems like it must have been a collision whilst the two aircraft were in formation or maneuvering in close proximity to each other, ... they might even have been dog-fighting.


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