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Turkey To Buy Super Cobras From The US.  
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4478 posts, RR: 12
Posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5283 times:

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/ne...copters-from-us-minister-says.html
I thought earlier the US said no because of its own needs and no spares being around. Maybe just to add a bit leverage to the deal.

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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 2995 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5256 times:

It's only for 6, however with this week's losses I'm surprised we have enough to sell.


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User currently offlineFridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5243 times:
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Quoting Spacepope (Reply 1):

According the Marine pilots here, they're looking forward to the new "Zulu" model Cobra's with four blades and updated avionics etc.

Turkey's getting our old ones that have been refurbished. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong on that.

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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12185 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5046 times:

That is correct, Turkey is getting 6 USMC AH-1W Super Cobras. The USMC is upgrading some Cobra squadrons to the AH-1Z version.

User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9245 posts, RR: 76
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 4979 times:

Bit of a surprise move.

I thought the EC 665 would have had a better chance there over a refurbished airframe and somewhat dated (even after the update) avionics, considering they have already crashed around half of their current AH-1W fleet.



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 2995 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4929 times:



Quoting Zeke (Reply 4):
Bit of a surprise move.

I'd be more surprised if they introduced a new type as an attrition replacement.



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9245 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4771 times:



Quoting Spacepope (Reply 5):
I'd be more surprised if they introduced a new type as an attrition replacement.

Expensive attrition replacement arrangement, 1.5 billion for 10 frames.



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 2995 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4675 times:

The $1.5 billion was for 12 frames, though the US is being coy about the final number to be delivered. I can't find the FMS notification yet, though I would expect the deal to include the frames, spare engines for the new and existing copters, new armament (will most likely include several hundred TOW missiles, to arm new copters and replace ammo used up vs Kurds.

Not saying it's a cheap deal, but it is cheaper than inducting a new type, and training all of your aircrews in a new program, all the while developing your new tactics.



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9245 posts, RR: 76
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4662 times:



Quoting Spacepope (Reply 7):
Not saying it's a cheap deal, but it is cheaper than inducting a new type, and training all of your aircrews in a new program, all the while developing your new tactics.

Not sure about that. Australia purchased the 22xEC 665s package for US$674 million.



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4722 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4649 times:

As the article says, these aircraft are a stop-gap measure (yes, it indeed seems expensive!).

Turkey has already selected an upgraded and locally-built version of the Agusta-Westland A129 as its next combat helo:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...am-flies-first-t129-prototype.html



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 2995 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4642 times:



Quoting Zeke (Reply 8):
Not sure about that. Australia purchased the 22xEC 665s package for US$674 million.

I think we need for the FMS notice to be posted so we can compare what exactly is being offered, and what AUS got with their helo deal.



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9245 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4634 times:



Quoting Spacepope (Reply 10):
what AUS got with their helo deal.



Quote:
Project AIR87 will acquire an Armed Reconnaissance Helicopter (ARH) capability for the Army. The ARH system will consist of 22 Eurocopter Tiger helicopters including a fully instrumented ARH, a training system consisting of a Full Flight and Mission Simulator (FFMS); two Cockpit Procedures Trainers (CPT); and ground crew training devices, other supporting components including the ARH Software Support Capability (ASSC), a Ground Mission Management System to support operational communications, Electronic Warfare Mission Support System, a Maintenance Management System, facilities and ammunition.

from http://www.defence.gov.au/dmo/asd/air87/main.cfm



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