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User currently offlineSamsrheinmain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

Greetings! Would enjoy talking with anyone who flew with SAMS. Someone should be
onboard.
Leslie "Herman the German"

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User currently offlineDonnieCS From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4235 times:

I was a flight engineer on the U.S. Army's Gulfstream fleet, the Army counterpart to the 89th AW (Sam Fox) at ADW (we were the ones with the better interiors and communications that worked...zing!). I flew many of VIPs around the world.


Charlie - Gulfstream flight mechanic
User currently offlineSamsrheinmain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4094 times:

Hello DonnieCS!
Good hearing from you. I was with the SAMSUSAFE. Our time we flew the beautiful Connies, DC6 & 7's. Our Berlin flights done mostly by C54's. Later we got the KC135-707. All our planes also had beautiful interiors and I never knew of any engineer having communications
problems. Most of the time we had five in the cockpit.
I also had my share of what I call beautiful people...VIP's, head of states, Royals..just name it!
Hope to be hearing more from you.
All the best....Leslie


User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4086 times:

I was a Crew Chief a C-137B/C's at ADW 89th MAW from 86 to 91. Did a lot of wax on wax off but also we were the last enlisted men allowed to taxi their acft for mx runs and to position them for DV uploads. I am sure now that in the officer centered USAF this does not exist anymore.
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I would help you but it is not in the contract
User currently offlineDonnieCS From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3997 times:

I wouldn't even know where to begin with stories, I thought "I've seen it all before" I got involved with DV travel, now I'll never say that term again...hehe!

Quoting Samsrheinmain (Reply 2):
never knew of any engineer having communications
problems.

The Army like the other U.S. services operating Gulfstreams, we had 3 in the cockpit. I was referring the additional communications equipment onboard for DV support. Unlike the U.S. Air Force, we carried no CSO but had 2 flight attendants on board. It was the job of the FE to operate the cabin communications a lot of the time (or at least train and monitor the DVs accompanying communications support person). There is a push across the services to standardize the communications equipment for the passengers. The Air Force seems to have some overly complex but less capable systems and the Army seemed to get the most positive feed back from customers but the Air Force is resistant to adopt somebody else's system even though we all fly the same passengers and hence the same requirements for communications. Not trying to start an Air Force verse Army deal. Since Gulfstreams are a niche deal for the Army we did have a lot more money to spend per aircraft.

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 3):
we were the last enlisted men allowed to taxi their acft for mx runs and to position them for DV uploads

Some of us Army (and AF) FEs got to go to the Flight Safety engine run and taxi classes but never did it for the job. Funny thing was with my side jobs on the weekend I was doing engine runs and taxis of the same model aircraft. Like you said, it's an officer centric world now. The Army's advantage in that category is the Warrant Office, it helps to mellow it out a quite a bit. Expect for our Commander all the pilots were Warrants. Most were great people but there are always a few that tried to act like O-5s.



Charlie - Gulfstream flight mechanic
User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3917 times:



Quoting DonnieCS (Reply 4):
The Army like the other U.S. services operating Gulfstreams, we had 3 in the cockpit. I was referring the additional communications equipment onboard for DV support. Unlike the U.S. Air Force, we carried no CSO but had 2 flight attendants on board. It was the job of the FE to operate the cabin communications a lot of the time (or at least train and monitor the DVs accompanying communications support person). There is a push across the services to standardize the communications equipment for the passengers. The Air Force seems to have some overly complex but less capable systems and the Army seemed to get the most positive feed back from customers but the Air Force is resistant to adopt somebody else's system even though we all fly the same passengers and hence the same requirements for communications. Not trying to start an Air Force verse Army deal. Since Gulfstreams are a niche deal for the Army we did have a lot more money to spend per aircraft.

I guess your FA's were pretty handy, ours I would not let them use anything more complicated as a coffee pot or vaccum cleaner. On the old C-137's we had something called a mux system which more or less allowed DV's to call people from the jet to their phone, it always broke. It always thought it a waste of money to have a USAF Lt Col flying a G3 were the Army used a W04 , seemed like a waste of a Col who would have been better used in some other leadership position than just being a crew dog.



I would help you but it is not in the contract
User currently offlineSamsrheinmain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3806 times:

Hello 6971! We did have a crew chief that was positioned between the pilot and co pilot.
However, the crew chief HAD NOTHING to do with us. His job was the mechanic of the AC and reported to the pilot. On our flights the one with most training (I got mine with TWA) was in
charge of the cabin. I can also tell you that even thought we at the time were USAF we did
not use the AF uniform at anytime. We had very nice black trousers/tie with white jacket and gold buttons. Local ground crew took care of our catering and cleaning needs. All that was done before leaving home port. Anything we ran out of was done by radio before arrival at next port.
It seemed that when we arrived at non military airports (which was often) we ourselves got the best of service.
That "Duck" with top hat, white gloves and stick on the tail of the AC said everything. Yes, we carried a red carpet and made us very proud of the AF and OUR country.
Thanking you in advance for your time and interest in the above.
Leslie
PS: Most times our pilot was a L/COL with Maj. and sometime Capt. for co-pilot. Our flights, service and visits...all first class.  Smile


User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3766 times:



Quoting Samsrheinmain (Reply 6):
Hello 6971! We did have a crew chief that was positioned between the pilot and co pilot.
However, the crew chief HAD NOTHING to do with us. His job was the mechanic of the AC and reported to the pilot. On our flights the one with most training (I got mine with TWA) was in
charge of the cabin. I can also tell you that even thought we at the time were USAF we did
not use the AF uniform at anytime. We had very nice black trousers/tie with white jacket and gold buttons. Local ground crew took care of our catering and cleaning needs. All that was done before leaving home port. Anything we ran out of was done by radio before arrival at next port.
It seemed that when we arrived at non military airports (which was often) we ourselves got the best of service.
That "Duck" with top hat, white gloves and stick on the tail of the AC said everything. Yes, we carried a red carpet and made us very proud of the AF and OUR country.
Thanking you in advance for your time and interest in the above.
Leslie
PS: Most times our pilot was a L/COL with Maj. and sometime Capt. for co-pilot. Our flights, service and visits...all first class.

I usally helped the FA that was up front taking care of crew food espicially if she was cute, we had some absolute knock out female stewards. If we had a good working relationship I usally helped out during flight plus I had to do some inflight mx on the galleys and lavatories sometimes. Our Stews cleaned the interior of acft after the DV left which for the majority of the time was the Secretary of State. They cooked everything on the acft, the plane sure smelled good most of the time and I am not talking about perfume. I was always busy on the ground with the old bird and at home station performing mx and flying training sorties. 80 to 90 hour weeks were the norm.



I would help you but it is not in the contract
User currently offlineSamsrheinmain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3684 times:

Hello 6971! We often traveled with two crew chiefs and sometimes with double crew.
I feel we were very lucky in the 60's as we had it all and also most appreciated. Our Christmas tours always enjoyable and long after my AF time was over, I had received many beautiful letters and cards. I do feel even today that if you truly are happy in what your doing, it will show. For me, all has gone well and a life that has been blessed many times over. I am now retired and live in Canada because of my business. I am MOST proud to be American and for what America stands for.
Have yourself a great day and good hearing from you.
Leslie  Smile


User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3676 times:



Quoting Samsrheinmain (Reply 8):
Hello 6971! We often traveled with two crew chiefs and sometimes with double crew.
I feel we were very lucky in the 60's as we had it all and also most appreciated. Our Christmas tours always enjoyable and long after my AF time was over, I had received many beautiful letters and cards. I do feel even today that if you truly are happy in what your doing, it will show. For me, all has gone well and a life that has been blessed many times over. I am now retired and live in Canada because of my business. I am MOST proud to be American and for what America stands for.
Have yourself a great day and good hearing from you.
Leslie

Happy Veterans day to you.



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