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Indian Air Force To Buy Used 744's  
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7058 times:

Just read in the latest weekly report from atdb.org that the Indian Air Force will be buying 3 used 747-437 from Air-India. No indication on use: cargo conversion, VIP or role.


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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10752 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6853 times:

Wow, great if true. Very surprising. Nice if they found a new home so soon, well, not a totally new home. Somehow the owners in the background remain the same.
As 3 VIP 744s sounds unbelievable to me I guess its highly likely they´ll be converted to freighters, maybe one being retained as VIP transport, not more.


User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6616 times:



Quoting Yyz717 (Thread starter):
Indian Air Force will be buying 3 used 747-437 from Air-India.

Great news for AI as well as they will have some badly needed liquidity....even after the Governement support


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6608 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 1):
As 3 VIP 744s sounds unbelievable to me I guess its highly likely they´ll be converted to freighters, maybe one being retained as VIP transport, not more.

If they wanted B-744Fs, doesn't AF have some for sale? KL I believe has the B-744C for sale, too. Me thinks these will be VIP airplanes.


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6489 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6555 times:

Intercontinental bombers?  Wink


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User currently offlineThePointblank From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 1738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6535 times:



Quoting N328KF (Reply 4):
Intercontinental bombers? Wink

Yes, modified for dropping tons of curry all over the world... that's going to leave a stain.  cheeky 


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31063 posts, RR: 87
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6421 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
If they wanted B-744Fs, doesn't AF have some for sale? KL I believe has the B-744C for sale, too. Me thinks these will be VIP airplanes.

I thought I read in CivAv that Air India was considering retiring some of their 744s, so it might just be a case that the Indian Air Force "buying local" to support AI.


User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2162 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6410 times:

AI sold the two 747-337M aircraft to early.(one already broke up for spares.)
These two would have been the ideal candidates for the Indian Air Force :
Relative very cheap 747-300combi aircraft (low investment), easy to convert to freighter, with CF-6-80C2B1 engines.
IMO a missed opportunity.

[Edited 2009-11-25 07:27:46]


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User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 6365 times:

Is there a possibility they will be converted to tanker/freighter configuration? Does India's Air Force need more capable tankers?


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31063 posts, RR: 87
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6318 times:
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Quoting N328KF (Reply 4):
Intercontinental bombers?   Smile

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Boeing 747-200 ALCM Launch Vehicle


Quoting ThePointblank (Reply 5):
Yes, modified for dropping tons of curry all over the world... that's going to leave a stain.  cheeky    

If it's watery enough, you could use something like Evergreen's "FireBomber" delivery system.  Silly

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 8):
Is there a possibility they will be converted to tanker/freighter configuration? Does India's Air Force need more capable tankers?

The IAF is in the process of placing an order for A330MRTTs for this role.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6256 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 8):
Is there a possibility they will be converted to tanker/freighter configuration? Does India's Air Force need more capable tankers?

The IAF is in the process of placing an order for A330MRTTs for this role.

As I understand it, the A-330MRTT won out over the Il-78 for the tanker, but no order has been submitted, yet. It is sort of like the Polish deal where a new tanker is selected, but no order has come, yet.

If they convert these 3 B-747-400s into KC-744s, they will not need the A-330MRTTs. In the early 1970s, Boeing converted the IIAF KC-741s. They also used their prototype B-747 as a demostrator tanker (equipped with a KC-135 Boom) to the USAF during the ATCA compitition.

So, Boeing could do these conversions, then again, so can IAI.


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4856 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6215 times:



Quoting Yyz717 (Thread starter):
No indication on use: cargo conversion, VIP or role.

As others had mentioned, to help balance AI's books.  dollarsign 

Quoting NA (Reply 1):
As 3 VIP 744s sounds unbelievable to me I guess its highly likely they´ll be converted to freighters, maybe one being retained as VIP transport, not more.

Have they outgrown this already?

http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6656798&nseq=0

They had three BBJs on order.



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User currently offlineVivekman2006 From India, joined May 2006, 541 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6137 times:

The IAF had been borrowing the AI 744s for VIP duties (i.e. for the PM & President's foreign tours) while they were in operation. After AI retired them, IAF must have decided to buy them off AI.

Two can be justified (one for backup), but why they need three is beyond me.

- Vivek


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5829 times:

Any link.....what would be the purpose of the purchase......VVIP use.
regds
MEL.



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2968 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5219 times:

I'm betting that the PM's entourage will now expand to TWO 747's with one kept as back-up!


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5184 times:

Interesting to view the Livery chosen.
regds
MEL.



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4861 times:

How many seats would a reconfiguered former AI B-747-400 have in a VIP role for the IAF? IIRC, the USAF VC-25As only seat about 75 passengers, the rest is used for rest areas for the POTUS, conference rooms, and office space. There is also a large full kitchen aboard.

User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10752 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4849 times:

Is it known which 3 out of the 6 AI 744s the Indian AF will take?

User currently offlineJayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1029 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

Is there any picture how does the aircraft look like in VIP config?


i just got one picture of it

Quoting NA (Reply 17):
Is it known which 3 out of the 6 AI 744s the Indian AF will take?

I know about VT-ESM, VT-EVA???

thanks.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4243 times:

In that picture it looks like most of the seats in that area have been removed. Will the IAF have a new designation for these and what will the tail numbers become? Will there be a communications suit like the VC-25A has? Is AI going to do all the maintenance on them, and who is going to do the conversions?

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