KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11711 posts, RR: 52 Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5168 times:
No, I don't think it can carry the HARM. I doubt the A-10 has the avionics or weapons pylons required to target and launch that missile. Also the A-10 does not have an attack radar. From a weight point of view, it can,
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11711 posts, RR: 52 Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4762 times:
The F-105F Wild Weasels also carried an early version of HARM back during the Vietnam War, too.
EBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4724 times:
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5): The F-105F Wild Weasels also carried an early version of HARM back during the Vietnam War, too.
You're talking about Standard Arm, I presume? Standard Arm and HARM have two entirely different external configurations so I'm not sure how they're related. And we had that missile on our F-105Gs at George right up to retirement of the plane.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14348 posts, RR: 26 Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4639 times:
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5): The F-105F Wild Weasels also carried an early version of HARM back during the Vietnam War, too
Those would probably also have carried Shrikes as well, but neither is the same as the HARM.
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1): No, I don't think it can carry the HARM. I doubt the A-10 has the avionics or weapons pylons required to target and launch that missile. Also the A-10 does not have an attack radar. From a weight point of view, it can,
Plus, that is not really a part of the A-10's mission nor are large radar guided SAMs a major threat to them. At the altitudes where A-10s operate they are much more likely to be hit by AAA or smaller IR guided SAMs, including MANPADS.
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XT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3132 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4300 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7): Plus, that is not really a part of the A-10's mission nor are large radar guided SAMs a major threat to them. At the altitudes where A-10s operate they are much more likely to be hit by AAA or smaller IR guided SAMs, including MANPADS.
in actual use against "front line" military nations, the radar guided missile has proven to be the big killer of A10. They fly high to keep the SA)">AA from eating them alive and the assumption was that the dedicated anti-SAM efforts would keep the A10 safe at higher alititudes (10K ft or higher). Reality set in that during the 92 gulf war the SA-2 wasn't properly in the A10's warning system and plenty of them were left after the day one roll up of the air defenses. Given the A10's radar cross section that resembles that of a barn, and the large size of the usual SAM missile its a very nasty threat.
That said, the A10 did do plenty of work against SAM sites and sites protected by SAMs. Just a little on the dangerous side and they finaly pushed back when the F16's were being used for low threat work close to the border while the A10s were running long range missions against high threat targets.
Its one of the reasons I'd love to see a 2nd gen A10 done from the ground up. Modern computer modeling could likely cut a huge chunk of the radar issue out making medium altitude much safer while also improving all other aspects of survivabliy and offensive capiblity.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14348 posts, RR: 26 Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4193 times:
Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 8): Its one of the reasons I'd love to see a 2nd gen A10 done from the ground up. Modern computer modeling could likely cut a huge chunk of the radar issue out making medium altitude much safer while also improving all other aspects of survivabliy and offensive capiblity.
I agree 100%. We will be in for a surprise if we really think that the F-35 can do what the A-10 can. And the A-10 is a relatively cheap aircraft to boot, and really the A-10 is one of the best out there in terms of bang for the buck.
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Spudh From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 274 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3974 times:
Pretty hard to 'stealtify' 11 hard points worth of weapons.
A ground up redo of the A10 would not look like the A10 if stealth is a design parameter.
Weapons would have to go internal and the barrel of the gun would be pretttttty hard to conceal, you'd see the start of big argument about how effective the gun really was.
I'd be more interested to see more avionics/power go into the existing airframe and let it actively take up the role as a Sam killer.
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29350 posts, RR: 62 Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3831 times:
Quoting Spudh (Reply 10):
And dare I say it, how about a second seat?
Was done back early in the program. For night interdiction, the Air Force didn't take Republic up on it, so only one flying prototype was built.
Quoting Spacepope (Reply 13): So the question now is, has the A-10 ever suffered losses to radar SAMs at all?
I don't think so. Radar guided SAMS have a big disadvantage, namely a big radar transmitting signals to everybody, including the wild weasels flying top cover, saying "HERE I AM!!!"
In the desert the Iraqi's really couldn't turn their radars on period, without a HARM headed back their direction.
As a weapon probably not, but it's rail probably can be carried on the hardpoints, they should be a standard size. But that is a hard way to ferry weapons to somebody that can use them. I have only heard of that being done in WWII, using pursuit assets to move ordinace to the field and even that was a last resort.
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ThePointblank From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 1065 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3503 times:
Quoting L-188 (Reply 14): As a weapon probably not, but it's rail probably can be carried on the hardpoints, they should be a standard size. But that is a hard way to ferry weapons to somebody that can use them. I have only heard of that being done in WWII, using pursuit assets to move ordinace to the field and even that was a last resort.
Didn't the F-111F's of the 48th TFW when they deployed to Saudi Arabia during Desert Shield carry a full complement of Paveway's when they flew from their base in the UK to their new base in Saudi Arabia to provide the initial stock of weapons?
Spacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2739 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3487 times:
Sounds plausible. The us burned through most of their remaining stock of MK117 750 pound bombs at that time, and there are rumors of B-52s dropping Spanish and British bombs.
On the flipside, UK Reapers in A-stan are using US weapons (bombs and hellfires).
Bhill From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 846 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3192 times:
Curious, what wavelength/frequencies does the HARM "lock" on to? All/any microwave emissions, or select frequencies base on the type of radar being used?
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11711 posts, RR: 52 Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2984 times:
I don't think the OA/A-10A, or a follow on design really needs stealth. Its main mission is all ground attack stuff, going after tanks and troop consintrations along with the AH-64A/D. The biggest threats to an A-10 is MANPAKs and AAA like the Zu-24-4. At that point, enemy defenses can actually see the A-10s, so radar is not needed to find them.
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11711 posts, RR: 52 Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2958 times:
Quoting Spacepope (Reply 19): Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 18):
The biggest threats to an A-10 is MANPAKs
What exactly is a MANPAK, you've used this term a few times.
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