KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11742 posts, RR: 51 Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5119 times:
I thought Obama was delaying his Hawaii vacation until he got his health care bill. Is that not true? The health care bill is now in the Senate/House "Conference" Committee, hammering out the differences.
HaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2073 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4946 times:
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1): I thought Obama was delaying his Hawaii vacation until he got his health care bill. Is that not true? The health care bill is now in the Senate/House "Conference" Committee, hammering out the differences.
I have a buddy who is an ATC in Hawaii, and he is indeed there. In fact he posted several pictures of the actual street where Obama is staying and the security around the area.
Ha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3494 posts, RR: 6 Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4738 times:
From what I saw, only 1 VC-25 is here. I don't think they use both when the destination is in the U.S. I was stuck on the ramp when GWB visited in 2006 and only 1 VC-25 was here. Even when GWB stopped over at HIK for 4 hours on his way back from the APEC meeting in Australia in 2007, only 1 VC-25 landed.
Got a shot of AF1 landing at 14:47 and taxiing to HIK at 14:53, but couldn't see the tail number. Posted the pictures on the HNL RareBirds blog.
However, there is an E-4B that stopped in ITO today.
BladeLWS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 386 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4651 times:
I don't think both fly into the same airport, for distribution of assets. Say one of the VC's was attacked, or the airport unreachable, they can ferry the president to another VC nearby. I beleive that on some past european trips AF1 would land at the close civilian airport where he was going, and the backup would land at a nearby military base.
As739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5834 posts, RR: 23 Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4631 times:
As far as I have been told by family (Air Force), that US destinations only one a/c will go. Occasionally a C-32 (B757) will be on hand. In the case of Obama visiting San Francisco a few months back the C-32 only flew in when AF1 arrived with a minor maintenance issue.
"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
Moose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2020 posts, RR: 12 Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3994 times:
Quoting Haynflyer (Reply 8): 2 E4s were in ITO. I can see one being here since POTUS was on Oahu, but two?? Could they have been here for something else?
How long were they there? From what I read of the blog, it sounds like one was on site, then the second one replaced it - could have just been the normal crew rotation...IIRC, they pull a week-long tour before the next crew replaces them, and both aircraft happened to be on the ground at the same time.
Moose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2020 posts, RR: 12 Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3807 times:
I don't remember very many times they would send a crew commercial (unless we were picking up a plane out of depot or something). You would have a bunch of gear, pubs, etc. to bring along, and with an airplane like the E-4, the crew probably carries classified materials that you wouldn't want to stuff in the overhead...also, they do need to fly a certain number of sorties to maintain proficiency, so it serves as a training mission as well as repositioning flight.
I guess they could send them as pax on another flight, but unless you happened to have a cargo/pax flight heading between the right places, you end up tasking another aircraft/crew for the trip, and probably don't save very much if anything that way.