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A400M Flight Test Prototypes  
User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

The flight test program has started & I think the previous first flight thread (>350 replies) is getting a bit long ( http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/military/read.main/114092/ ) so I guess starting a new one is OK.



Aviation week has a nice article/interview; http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...l=defense&id=news/A2010-123009.xml

A short summary of the aircraft and their purposes:

MSN001 is heavily fitted with wiring and will be used for about 1,200 flight test hours, largely focused on expanding the flight envelope.



MSN002 (first flight March 2010). The aircraft will largely be used for performance and engine certification activities, as well as work on the defensive aids subsystem.

MSN003 (first flight May '10) is to be used to validate the performance of the autopilot, navigation and fuel systems, hydraulics and other items.

MSN004 (first flight Q1 '11) is supposed to validate cargo operations and airborne refueling



MSN006 (first flight mid '11), first production standard aircraft, will have light instrumentation only, and is to be used largely for long-range proving.

Airbus Military hopes to receive type certification for the aircraft around December 2011, with initial operating clearance to permit basic logistics tasks to follow by 2012. The first production delivery would take place by the end of 2012.

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User currently offlineSpantax From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 323 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

A Belgian newspaper speculates today about the possibility of Belgium leaving the A400 program, due to financial problems. Yesterday the Belgian Air Force A330 had to be replaced by another leased ac, an A310 I think, for a flight to Afghanistan with troops.


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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 32767 times:

The third flight thursday lasted 2 hours 15 minutes. More flights scheduled in the next few days.

User currently offlineCMB56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Personal opinion here. I just love the look of the A400 and do hope that success in that program can be found. It will be a tough road to get there though. I particpated in a number of customer meetings on the A380 and was really in love with the aircraft but that order didn't go through and likely won't ever now. I would really have liked to work on that aircraft.
I have spent 25 some years in commercial aviation and have found a lot of what I feel is misplaced brand loyalty in the industry. I got into aviation because I loved airplanes and didn't care who made them, I would work on them. I've worked on BAE, Airbus, Boeing, Douglas, Swedish, Brazilian, etc. I liked them all. Most of the people I work with in the business are more interested in cars, motorcycles, or boats. Aviation is not their interest, it's how they earn a paycheck.

I will say I would rather spend a week in Toulouse than a week in Everett any day.


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

FlightGlobal overview of test program & prototypes.

http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=31998


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
MSN001



Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
MSN002



Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
MSN003



Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
MSN004



Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
MSN006

Do you know what the plans are for MSN005?


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12561 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
Do you know what the plans are for MSN005?

They were originally going to have 6 test birds, but now are only going to have 5, so I presume MSN005 is being skipped.



Inspiration, move me brightly!
User currently offlinePolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

13 months between certification and delivery?


One day there will be 100% polymer plane
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting Revelation (Reply 6):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
Do you know what the plans are for MSN005?


They were originally going to have 6 test birds, but now are only going to have 5, so I presume MSN005 is being skipped

Thanks

Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 7):
13 months between certification and delivery?

Yes, on top of a 36 month certification/flight test program. I guess EADS wants to be consistant in their 48 month to 60 month delivery delays.

 duck   duck   duck 


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 32767 times:

Airbus prepares to ground first A400M to fit additional test kit – including rockets

Airbus is about to briefly ground its first A400M flight-test aircraft to install additional test equipment, including rockets to assist with stall-testing, before continuing with trials in February.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...additional-test-kit-including.html


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

The flight test programme seems to be doing well:

"Airbus: 'zero major issues' from A400M flight tests"

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ssues-from-a400m-flight-tests.html



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting A342 (Reply 10):
"Airbus: 'zero major issues' from A400M flight tests"

The nose gear buffeting could be a major problem, or it could be minor.

What about the engine problem on FF? Has that shown up on any other test flights?


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 11):
The nose gear buffeting could be a major problem, or it could be minor.

It occured on a rather large number of aircraft and was always solved quickly, so that's minor.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 11):
What about the engine problem on FF?

Which would that be?
Do you mean this?

"The propulsion system's full authority digital engine control software has performed "quite well", according to Strongman, with a minor software problem which had affected one channel having been traced and a work-around procedure established."



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
Do you know what the plans are for MSN005?

Why does Airbus skip serial numbers?


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting A342 (Reply 12):
Which would that be?
Do you mean this?

"The propulsion system's full authority digital engine control software has performed "quite well", according to Strongman, with a minor software problem which had affected one channel having been traced and a work-around procedure established."

That may be the same as this;

http://in.reuters.com/article/marketsNewsUS/idINBAT00506120100123


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12561 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting A342 (Reply 10):
The flight test programme seems to be doing well:

Looks like there's been at least one glitch:

A400M maiden flight had technical glitch:

Quote:
The Airbus A400M military transport plane experienced a software glitch during its first test flight in December, but the problem was minor, the European planemaker said Sunday.

The technical glitch was not reported when the four-engine turboprop aircraft -- over-budget and behind schedule -- made its maiden flight Dec. 11. Airbus' comments came after the German weekly Der Spiegel reported on the problem this weekend, citing confidential documents from engine maker Europrop.

The issue was with the software controlling the engines and has been fixed, Airbus spokesman Jaime Perez-Guerra said. The software glitch led the pilots to disengage an engine, meaning that its blades turn freely. The plane has since logged nearly 30 hours of flight and is performing above expectations, he said.

I'm glad the problem has been resolved.

Since she landed with all four turning and burning, I wonder if a reset of the computer fixed it?

And of course it's interesting to note the problem came from the famous engine software, and that EADS didn't report it till after Der Spiegel broke the story.



Inspiration, move me brightly!
User currently offlineGRIVely From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

As VP of an engineering company making space-rated hardware I have yet to meet any software problem that could be characterized as "minor." Our experience, and that of all companies involved in the aerospace business that we work with, is that fixing software always takes at least three times as long and costs us twice as much money as the most pessimistic engineering estimates.

Good luck to Airbus and its partners on tracking down, isolating, fixing, testing, certifying, implementing, deploying, and training on the new software changes. Hope there is plenty of money and time in the budget to accommodate the requisite fixes.

Cheers,

the GRIV


User currently offlineMossfan15 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

hmm looks like a cross between the C-130 and C-17


SRA Michael Mays, USAF
User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12561 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Here's a report posted today.

AWST: First A400M Flight Phase Goes Well

Executive summary:
- In general, things are going well
- MSN001 is going into the hangar till mid-February for minor airframe modifications and fixes to the engine control software
- Also a rocket recovery system will be installed to aid in assessment of stall characteristics
- During the layup the rear of the engine nacelle may be changed to deal with an overheating issue
- There is an intermittent problem with the FADEC
- Occasionally one of the channels is rejected
- This is due to an incompatibility between a processor board and the FADEC operating system
- This will be fixed during the layup
- There is an issue with buffet when nose gear is deployed at higher speeds
- When the first of the two gear door opens, air rushes into the nose gear cavity
- It may be addressed by using strakes or by putting small holes into the doors
- There also is a small but irregular movement of the main gear once deployed

So it seems the usual kinds of gremlins are being chased.



Inspiration, move me brightly!
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting Revelation (Reply 18):
So it seems the usual kinds of gremlins are being chased.

Out of that, I see the engine overheat problem and the nose gear problems to need some redesign work and engineering.

I do have a question on the FADEC problems, why didn't they know about it and fix it before FF?


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12561 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
I do have a question on the FADEC problems, why didn't they know about it and fix it before FF?

I wish the AWST reporter asked that question. Clearly they did a whole bunch of full power run-ups and taxi tests before FF and it seems the problem didn't show up there AFAIK. The full report described the problem as being 'intermittent", which of course is the worst kind to debug.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 32492 times:



Quoting Revelation (Reply 20):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
I do have a question on the FADEC problems, why didn't they know about it and fix it before FF?

I wish the AWST reporter asked that question. Clearly they did a whole bunch of full power run-ups and taxi tests before FF and it seems the problem didn't show up there AFAIK. The full report described the problem as being 'intermittent", which of course is the worst kind to debug.

I find it hard to believe the FADEC problems showed up for the very first time on the FF for the A-400M. EADS flight tested the engine and FADEC softwear several times on the C-130K test bed? What about all those ground engine tests and taxi tests of the A-400M?

Something smells very bad about all of this.  wideeyed 


User currently offlineFlyingwaeldar From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2009, 108 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 31132 times:

It seems the first A400M has been transferred to Toulouse for further testing and the second test plane was handed over to the flight test department on March 6th.

Source:

http://www.airbus.com/en/myairbus/headlinenews/index.jsp

It seems that flight testing is slowly building up steam and I'm looking forward for further news and milestones reached.


User currently offlineSpeedyGonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 732 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 31094 times:

Quoting Flyingwaeldar (Reply 22):
It seems the first A400M has been transferred to Toulouse for further testing and the second test plane was handed over to the flight test department on March 6th.

Bigger pictures here:
http://www.aviation-friends-hamburg-forum.de/showthread.php?tid=1691



Las Malvinas son Argentinas
User currently offlineFlyingwaeldar From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2009, 108 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 31059 times:

Quoting SpeedyGonzales (Reply 23):
Bigger pictures here:
http://www.aviation-friends-hamburg-...=1691

And the South African flag is still there....................


25 Post contains images keesje : Good thing. a.net info coverage is much better from TLS then from Sevilla.. The most recent picture in the data base are from december & Airbus a
26 Post contains links Revelation : As for the rest there is a slightly different press release floating around: Ref: http://www.defpro.com/news/details/13658/ So we shall have the thir
27 Post contains links keesje : The second prototype has run the engines, started taxi tests and is expected to fly shortly. Medium speed RTO can be seen at: http://www.a400m.com/Mul
28 KC135TopBoom : Dispite what I think of the A-400, it is good to see the flight test program moving forward again, finally.
29 Post contains links and images keesje : #3 It will mostly be used for systems validation.
30 KC135TopBoom : Do you know when she will be ready to begin her flight testing? Correct, and I believe this will be the first prototype that will also validate the r
31 Post contains links and images keesje : #2, yesterday. Flight completed after 4 hrs 50 minutes. Video: http://www.a400m.com/Multimedia/VideoGallery.aspx[Edited 2010-04-09 02:25:34]
32 KC135TopBoom : Thanks for the update.
33 Larshjort : Why is the engines counterrotating on each wing? Is it normal for 4 engine turboprop aircraft? /Lars
34 CMB56 : The props rotate contrary on each wing as an enhancement to lift on takeoff and also to counter any torque and prop factor if an engine is shut down i
35 KC135TopBoom : I thought both the C-130J and C-27J both have left/right turning engines. Don't they?
36 Pygmalion : Russians also had the Bear with counter rotating propellers
37 keesje : I think it also has to do with preventing serious downwash for paratroopers leaving the aircraft from the aft side doors.
38 KC135TopBoom : Counter rotating prop systems are much different than props/engines that rotate in opposite directions. No, the tropps still get buffeted at the side
39 Post contains links keesje : proto #1 high speed pass & turn at ILA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5cK1cJrHC0
40 Burkhard : Thanks for that link - that is how we want to see new aircraft.
41 Post contains links autothrust : Exactly Airbus calls this configuration Down-Between-Engines (DBE) and the A400M is the first time a 4engine aircraft to use this . http://www.a400m-
42 Post contains images A342 : Rather "sedate", isn't it?
43 Post contains links and images keesje : The entire 4 minute demo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8ga-iUaVQg&feature=related The flight envelop protection seems to work. Airbus said the
44 Post contains links keesje : Update from chief test pilot Ed Strongman (former RAF Herc driver). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU0s_HL8khs&feature=related
45 zeke : Ed was a TP back in my day.
46 Post contains links and images A342 : Awesome picture from Berlin: View Large View MediumPhoto © Max Bryansky - Russian AviaPhoto Team
47 KC135TopBoom : Do we know at what gross weights the A-400 flew at? At light weights all aircraft perfrom very well. I would guess these manuvers were kept around 2.5
48 keesje : This prototype was loaded with 17 tonnes of test equipment, nearly half it's maximum payload. I guess the flight protection systems takes care the pi
49 zeke : Everything I saw looked less than that, the pull-up and wing over does not put much stress on the airframe, highest g manoeuvres I saw were the level
50 Post contains images keesje : The third prototype is expected t fly in July.
51 KC135TopBoom : Cool. The more the merrier.
52 Post contains images keesje : #3, last friday
53 zeke : They had all 3 flying at the same time !!
54 Post contains links keesje : Airbus Military in the next few days expects to commence trials to land the A400M airlifter on unprepared runways, in the first significant step to v
55 KC135TopBoom : There will be more than a few white dots left on the paint on the bottom and lower sides from that.
56 Post contains links keesje : Show Talkthrough by Ed Strongman.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FL3f2x9oTk
57 KC135TopBoom : Interesting, but no serious 'yanking and banking'. He said it took off with the 17 tonnes of flight test equipment and 10 tonnes of fuel. The MTOW of
58 Post contains links ThePointblank : More news on A400M: according to reports, the engine is performing better than expected, and has exceeded performance specifications. How or in what w
59 Revelation : I'm glad to hear the engine beats the production standard requirement significantly. I presume this means with regard to all aspects of the standard
60 KC135TopBoom : Me bad, the A-400 flown on that demonstration was about 73% of its MTOW, not the 60% I wrote.
61 Post contains links keesje : There are some nice testing and formation shots on on the third A400M. The link is named "Ed.Strongman. A400M Flight Test..", the 02:42 clip. http://w
62 KC135TopBoom : I like the unveiling of the "Grizzly 2" painted marking.
63 Post contains links keesje : Because Strongman mentioned it twice during recent weeks. There seems to be a war of words between EADS and Thales and on the FMS though.. http://www
64 KC135TopBoom : Oh, just what we need now, more finger pointing.
65 Post contains images Revelation : Holy role reversal, Batman! Revelation and KC135TopBoom say nice things about the A400M, and keesje brings up bad news about the A400M? If KC135TopBo
66 KC135TopBoom : Don't worry, I would still prefer the USAF buy C-17s over the A-400. I do not see a mission role for the A-400 in the USAF.
67 muhamed : Hello all.. I'm new here so I don't know if this is the right place to post this. I've been reading through the past threads about the A400M but could
68 A342 : The civilian certification is in addition to the military one. I don't know about the specific military equipment, but I guess it won't be included i
69 Post contains images muhamed : Hi, thanks for the reply. I'm studying airworthiness right now so I apologise in advance for my truckload of questions . I thought the whole point of
70 KC135TopBoom : Defensive systems that involve explosives, flairs, or caff will not be part of the EASA cert. These systems will have a unique military certification
71 Post contains images A342 : You're asking the wrong person here. All I know for sure is this: Apart from that, I can just speculate. But I agree with this statement: The same pr
72 XT6Wagon : I do see a role for it in the USAF, but for it to make sense it would have to cost less than 1/2 of a C17. I don't see any possible way they can offe
73 muhamed : Thanks Topboom & A342. I guess it's pretty confusing for me to see how EASA certifies a military aircraft. Maybe I should look at how the L100 (ci
74 Post contains links and images A342 : That's a very good idea. Here's the TCDS (the official designation is "Model 382"): http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Gu...108862576ac00551fef/$FILE/
75 Post contains links and images keesje : The wing did not break at 150%.. http://www.asdnews.com/news/29605/A400M_Wing_Passes_Critical_Test_.htm
76 KC135TopBoom : The C-141 also had a FAA civilian certification, IIRC.
77 Post contains links and images keesje : Rough terrain tests have started, with #3. http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ly-clears-runway-debris-trial.html
78 KC135TopBoom : That's now one in a row for Airbus (the last one, the A-380 only made it to 147% and had to have the wing reinforced). It will be interesting to see
79 Post contains links zeke : Actually the A380 wing that was tested was not a production wing, I am not sure of what changes, if any were required. As far as I was aware it was a
80 KC135TopBoom : Correct. But I have wondered why Airbus did not use a production wing for the break test on the A-380. IIRC, they did a computer redesign and that on
81 Post contains links Revelation : Indeed it seems A400M flight testing is going well. It must be an exciting time for the guys and gals in the flight test department! Ref: http://www.
82 zeke : That is correct I would think most functions are working as planned. The FMS on the A330/A340 took some time to sort out, it does more functions apar
83 Post contains links and images keesje : Slides of the wing ultimate load test: http://tinyurl.com/32axsxf In the first week of August #1 completed 80 flights, #2 completed 56 flights, #3 com
84 KC135TopBoom : 147 flights spread out on 3 airplanes to date, but only 500 hours in 9 months of flying? Is there a reason why flight testing is going so slow?
85 Post contains links keesje : It's been a bit quiet around the test program. EADS this week said there are no further program delays expected and "mass production" will start end o
86 Post contains images EPA001 : No news is usually good "news". Only if something goes wrong or much worse then anticipated it will make headlines. So I guess this must mean all is
87 muhamed : MSN005 was originally supposed to be for testing. But there were some delays on it so they skipped it. MSN005 is now going to be a customer airframe.
88 KC135TopBoom : Thanks. IIRC, the first customer to get the A-400 was suppose to be France. Is that still the plan?
89 muhamed : Yep, that still the plan unless something else delays it further. But it is a worrying time with European nations announcing cuts on everything.
90 KC135TopBoom : How will this effect the UK order? They currently have 25 on order, but wanted to reduce it to 22 last summer. Now the UK MOD will be taking a budget
91 Revelation : Should really only be discussing flight testing and prototypes here, lest the thread be locked...
92 overcast : It looks like the C130 fleet will be going and the 22 A400Ms have been confirmed. By 2020 the UK will have 6(7) C-17, 14 A330MRTT and 22 A400M to car
93 KC135TopBoom : Good question. Boeing has been very open about the number of hours and sorties flown by both the B-787-8 and B-747-8F, even mentioning when some test
94 Post contains links and images keesje : Some snapshots: Airbus Military is poised to perform its first air-drop assessments with the A400M transport Development aircraft MSN1, which is under
95 Post contains links keesje : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9xj4ty-iV8 Ground loads were evaluated at Francazal where the aircraft was taxied over calibrated planks on the runway
96 Post contains links and images keesje : First paradrops were concluded. . Visible in the released image, the A400M's new side door deflectors were added to the development aircraft fleet aft
97 KC135TopBoom : It is hard to see but those side panels should be perforated. I see the field of round cans on the fuselarge which should fit into the panel when stow
98 francoflier : That can't help performance and fuel consumption... Is that a temporary fix, or will they just stick pieces of sheetmetal out of the side of every ai
99 keesje : I wonder if it would be a requirement to have both side and front door open at the same time at a certin speed. That could result in a fresh brize bre
100 KC135TopBoom : It is clear to see the panels are retractable. The picture Keesje provided shows one hydraulic acuator abd two hinges. It would also create a hugh amo
101 keesje : Sorry I meant the paratroop doors and cargo doors.
102 XT6Wagon : I would expect later versions to have it better integrated into the fuselage instead of added to the outside to minimize drag. Unless the boundry lay
103 KC135TopBoom : Okay, that makes more sense. I am surprised the para-door panels were not incorproated into the final design, and the prototypes. IIRC, there has alw
104 Post contains images keesje : Enders was one of them.
105 Post contains images Revelation : Yes, it seems the jumper closest to the plane does have a businessman's tie flapping in the wind, so I suppose you are correct! I think Trooper Tom p
106 Revelation : Hmmm, Busy man that he is, I wonder if he had time to remember to pack his parachute?
107 Post contains links keesje : I think we are witnessing an example of blatant misuse of company resources for personal gains here.. You might be right if Enders is the man in the
108 Post contains images Revelation : Quite funny! Hey, if you are a parachute enthusiast, it's got to be one of the best perks of the job! Too bad the local parachute club doesn't have a
109 Post contains images KC135TopBoom : The one the parachute pack is falling off of? No, he didn't have the time, so he asked Leahy to do it.
110 Post contains links keesje : Video of the Saturdays jump: http://www.airbus.com/video
111 KC135TopBoom : Interesting video. It was very risky for Enders to be in the jump, I did not know he was a qualified jumper. I wonder why EADS chose to use a civilian
112 kanban : anything to drum up sales.. yet being a club, probably does not qualify as part of the test program but more as executive swagger... and pulling stri
113 rwessel : Which, after all, *is* his job.
114 474218 : I think you will find these were non-paying passengers, just like the flight test engineers that are on almost every flight. The 787 that made the em
115 kanban : yes and other personel related to the scheduled tests.. plus some maintenance bodies. no tourists or PR guys
116 KC135TopBoom : Those extra people aboard the B-787 are crew members and engineers to evaluate some of the flight testing, including FAA personel. Boeing received th
117 keesje : Not sure, he is an EADS employee responsible for the A400M program. Previous jumpers were not flight testing crewmembers either but selected paratroo
118 Post contains links keesje : Apparently bird ingestion certification tests were passed this week. Techspace Aero took care of the tests. http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE6AG2
119 Post contains images KC135TopBoom : The "chicken cannon" test. I hope they used thawed chikens and not frozen ones. Why is this test being done now, the A-400 has been flying for almost
120 Post contains links keesje : I think bird ingestion were done yrs ago, long before first flight. It's a bit quiet around the test programs, a sign the aircraft are still flying,
121 Post contains links overcast : Nice to see good progress being made, Good status report with news of Grizzly 4's first flight. http://www.airbusmilitary.com/PressR...tary-A400M-make
122 KC135TopBoom : Since the PR was made by Airbus Military, I wouldn't expect them to say anything negitive at #4's FF. But it does show the program is progressing.
123 Post contains links and images keesje : updates: EASA certification tests with simulated icing shapes attached to the wings and tail completed. Preliminary tests of protective kits for rough
124 Post contains links and images keesje : Apparently it was a bit of a challenge to get Grizzly 5 to Sevilla before the end of the year, but it will happen, the germans celebrated today. http:
125 overcast : Quite amazing to see how complete the fusalage is with wiring, plumbing etc. Looks like it won't take a huge amount of time to join the Nose and hook
126 NoUFO : Apparently so. Weser Kurier's article (the one you have linked to) quotes Kai Brüggemann, head of the Bremen facility, who says that in September th
127 overcast : That's what I was refering to. Looks like Grizzly 5 has been built to full production standard.
128 Post contains links and images keesje : A lot of stuff goes in there these days.. Regarding Grizzly 5 entering production, I think this is seen as the last step before serieproduction. Modi
129 speedygonzales : I assume the fuselage gets from Bremen to Sevilla by ship. Do they use the same ships as for A380 sections?
130 KC135TopBoom : Actually major sub-assemblies for the A-400 are shipped aboard EADS's A-300-600ST Bulga fleet.
131 Post contains links keesje : I was in Sevilla a few years ago and they have a door in the assembly hall that needly fits the Beluga cross section. http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrec
132 A380900 : So now it seems clear that the A400M design was constrained by what the Beluga could carry. It just seems weird that such variable would be taken into
133 Klaus : I doubt very much that that was actually a hard requirement. The engines and the weight and volume they could carry efficiently most probably were th
134 Post contains images keesje : I think the A400M cross section is a selling point instead of an issue..
135 Klaus : When looking up from below, most certainly.
136 KC135TopBoom : Perhaps. But if it were designed bigger than it is, it could have truely been a competitor to the successful C-17 design. The engines could have been
137 KiwiRob : I always thought it was designed as a bigger better C-130, not a C-17 competitor, there isn't really that much of a markets for C-17's whereas there
138 Revelation : The A400M was originally described as "Half a C-17 at half the cost". Unfortunately the later part of that statement was never in the cards. The way
139 Post contains images Klaus : And what purpose would that have served? The C-17 does exists. Developing a 1:1 replacement would be idiotic while there is a noticeable gap below it
140 Post contains links Revelation : It depends if the market for that noticable gap can support the product or not. And one has to wonder if they made the A400M too small, and one can b
141 Post contains links and images keesje : the A400M too small.. who came up with that one ?! I'm not going to byte and discuss http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-tests-load-capacity-of-a
142 Post contains images Revelation : The German military: A400M max payload, approx 30-32 tonnes, Puma IFV weight: 31.5 tonnes no add-on armor, 43 tonnes with add-on armor Seems to move
143 Post contains links keesje : Don't worry its 37t. http://www.airbusmilitary.com/A400M.aspx If the A400M was too small there wouldn't be C-17FE and Fat Herc plans. Cargo deck heig
144 Revelation : Which of the eight versions of the A400M will do that? Or will it take a ninth? Plans, or conceptual diagrams, just like the Photoshop you like to ma
145 328JET : A400M too small is funny. 1. A stretched version is under consideration (like the two length of the herc are available as well) 2. Air Forces who need
146 Revelation : I think that depends on your perspective. In the US perspective, the C-17 is the plane for the "high demand" and the C-130J is the plane for the "sma
147 keesje : Another surprising statement. Europe and Airbus predecessors have been building militairy airlifters for decades..
148 Post contains images Klaus : "Unproven" obviously applies to absolutely every new design at this phase of its introduction. "No orderability for years to come" only applies to suc
149 Post contains links Revelation : Surprising only to those paying "half-attention". Then apparently they forgot what they knew: Ref: http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...blame-widel
150 Post contains images Klaus : The fact that the A400M appears to be doing quite well in its tests so far would tend to indicate that Airbus still understands the technical challen
151 328JET : I think some people here believe Airbus developed a military airlifter the first time and therefore got only problems and trouble... This is not the c
152 Post contains links Revelation : C'mon, Klaus. Clearly A400M (our topic) is an unproven product, but it has nothing to do with whether they should have built it or not. I don't know
153 kanban : I thought this thread was about the A400 test program and status... which apparently isn't doing anything or after Boeing's PR failure is being kept t
154 Post contains links KC135TopBoom : Perhaps getting some of the international orders the C-17 has gotten like India, Qatar, Austrailia, Canada, and the UK? First, let me explain. There
155 Revelation : Yes, and I thought that was a good thing. This thread seems to have jumped the rails around #132 - #135, I jumped in at #138 without noticing what th
156 Post contains images KC135TopBoom : Maybe they are just afraid of what we will say on a.net? I'll admit my guilt, too. But rather than losking this thread, let's just get back on topic?
157 Post contains links moderators : With the discussion straying well aware from the discussion of flight testing, this thread will now be locked. Please continue the discussion in one o
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