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User currently offlineKiwi dave From New Zealand, joined Aug 2000, 895 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3062 times:

the RNZAF is having 700 million (NZD) spent upgrading the transport fleet, the 727s are on the way out while the C-130s are being upgraded.

This is on top of the planned upgrades to the P-3 and C-130 fleets.

Each upgrade will cost 160 million (NZD) and will be completed by 2008.

Nice to see the air force get extra money after a few years of cut backs.

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User currently offlineRaaf_mirage From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2992 times:

RNZAF ? New Zealand ? What Air Force ?

It failed to exist when the Skyhawks and Macchis were retired.

Kiwi Dave, I feel for all the fast jet people in New Zealand.

Helen Clark = One very stupid Woman.

James.

(PS - Did you know that 19 RNZAF pilots have received flying positions with the RAF ?)


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13252 posts, RR: 77
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days ago) and read 2987 times:

Bad news for the RNZAF with the fast jets going, but good for the RAF with their pilot shortage, same happened for the Fleet Air Arm when the RAN's A4's were retired, some pilots found their way over here on Sea Harriers.



User currently offlineKiwi dave From New Zealand, joined Aug 2000, 895 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2956 times:

Raaf_mirage the Goverment went against the NZ people on this issue the skyhawks may have been old but at least we had something to defend NZ.



User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2734 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2935 times:

Kiwi dave what evidence do you have that the NZ people were against the scrapping of the fighter arm ?

Military aircraft freaks may have thier fantasies about jets but governments have to balance the books.

Unnecessary A-4's too expensive, better to do a few things well rather than do everything poorly !



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

Pacific, right now you can't do anything at all...
There is no need for longrange transports when those aircraft have no bases to land on when they return because those have been bombed by unopposed enemies.

Your country has made the same mistake many smaller European countries made in the 1920s (and are now making again I have to admit) to think that you don't need to be able to defend yourself because there is no immediate enemy.



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User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2734 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2923 times:

Jwenting - of course you are right, we are unable now or previuously to defend ourselves against a determined attacker. However NZ could spend 50% of GDP and still not be able to do so. Our population is tiny and area to defend is huge.

Much better to acknowledge reality and concentrate resources. For the airforce that is IMHO 3 areas, namely maritime reconnasince/search and rescue, logistic support for the Army and Navy i.e. fixed wing and rotar transport, anti-submarine/search and rescue choppers for the Navy.

Now weather the savings from scrapping fighters is passed on to those areas as promised is another issue but I still think it was the best idea given the resources available.

Can you really compare NZ to small european countries ? Who will attack us and why would they want to ?



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User currently offlineKiwi dave From New Zealand, joined Aug 2000, 895 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2916 times:

Pacific if you live in New Zealand then you would know the backlash the goverment got about the scrapping of the combat force.

User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2734 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 2920 times:

KD - the govt. gets a 'backlash' for every change it makes. You insinuated you had facts to show the majority were against this move. Do you have numbers or just an opinion ?

I know plenty of people in the RNZAF, RNZN and Army who thought it was the right move, providing the money is spent on some other airforce equipment.



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User currently offlineKiwi dave From New Zealand, joined Aug 2000, 895 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 10 hours ago) and read 2900 times:

my parents listen to talkback radio and for months every second caller complain about the scrapping the Skyhawks and Macchis, I heard some of those people.

User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2734 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 2900 times:

Talk-back radio dave, that's what you base public opinion on ? Those people also think Winston Peters is a genius and Rob Muldoon a saint !


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 2912 times:

Those Skyhawks had been bought and paid foryears

How much money are you going to save by disposing of a paid for asset???



Maybe Gene Roddenberry is right, and this is the start of New Zealand turning into the planets penal colony.



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User currently offlineKiwi dave From New Zealand, joined Aug 2000, 895 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

the tv channels also did polls before the decision was made, 70% of people polled wanted the combat force to stay

User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2734 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 2898 times:

L-188 you know as well as I do that the purchase price of those planes was not the issue, rather it was the cost of keeping them flying and maintaining the infrastructure to do so. Those are the costs that are being saved and I am pretty sure you know that.

KD - Polls are next to useless. Yes, 70% may have wanted them retained but if you also asked them if they were willing to pay more tax or accept cut backs in other services to do so they would have said no. The public are pig-ignorant and short-sighted about most things, governments can't afford to be.

No one has yet said what enemies these planes were defending against and how well they would have done so. Let's get 3 or 4 Nuclear aircraft carriers while we are at it to make sure NZ is really safe.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

Yes, there is a cost for each flying hours.

But a Skyhawk is one of least expensive aircraft around.




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User currently offlineKiwi dave From New Zealand, joined Aug 2000, 895 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 2890 times:

The war on terisom comes to mind if the war was to take place in this part of the world

User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2734 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

OK KD 'The war on terrorism', now explain how 18 odd skyhawks 10 of which were based in Australia anyway would help in that situation.

Please don't get me wrong as I am all for NZ forces having more capability but we have to be realistic about our ability to pay for all this stuff. On a limited budget priorties need to be set and I agree with the government that fighters are a low one in NZ's case given thier cost relative to perceived threats and desired military abilities.

Time will tell if savings are returned in better funding of other defence areas but the recent announcement of upgrading and replacing of transport/heavy lift capabilities is a start don't you think.



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User currently offlineKiwi dave From New Zealand, joined Aug 2000, 895 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2864 times:

first of there were only 6 aircraft based in Aussie.

there would have been 18 more aircraft if the RNZAF sent the skyhawks granted they may have only been able to operate duing the day but its better than nothing.

I agree that the upgrading is better than nothing which I implied when I started this thread.


User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2734 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (12 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2821 times:

Kiwidave - Saw reorts of 6 potential buyers for ex-RNZAF jet fleet. Any ideas about who these might be ?


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User currently offlineKiwi dave From New Zealand, joined Aug 2000, 895 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2827 times:

the only ones that I know of is the Canadians and Brazil I'm guessing that the public won't know till the deal has been made but even then we may not be told.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (12 years 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

Why would the Canadians have any interest in used Skyhawks????

I thought they had been sold to Singapore.



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User currently offlineKiwi dave From New Zealand, joined Aug 2000, 895 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

According to US sources these A4s are the most advance in the world being refered to slow F-16s, I was under the impression that Canada would use them in martime strike roles it would ease US concerns about who get these A4s, this is what I read in the avaition mags in NZ

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (12 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2813 times:

I don't see the Canadians getting them.

Especially when you consider that just a year ago they where talking about mothballing part of their F-18 fleet

Why introduce an old type, when you have a common more capable type allready in service.



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User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (12 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

We've been trying to get a naval chopper for over a decade and have recently dumped the T-33, trust me, there are no A-4's in the RCAF's future.

LY744.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (12 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

You have to wonder how many EH-101's 500 million candian would have bought.


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User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 25, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

Sorry for the typo in my last reply, it is the (C)T-133 being phased out.

LY744.



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