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User currently offlineKhenleyDIA From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 427 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14552 times:

I keep seeing all these images of the old F-4s, F-111, etc. mothballed and I begin wondering, how long some of them will be mothballed for and for what reasons?

I know it is good to have spares, but many of the planes are very out of date. I know that with the bombers they have to cut them up into 5 pieces and leave them for 90 days, but what about the smaller planes?

I would love to hear what those with real knowledge have to say.

Thanks,

KhenleyDIA


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12181 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14557 times:

Most of the B-52Gs had to be cut up for START varification. The F-111s, and FB-111A/F-111Gs or a select few of them are being retained for spares for the RAAF F/RF-111Cs and currently stored F-111Gs.

The same for the F-4s, many allies still fly the F-4 like Greece, Turkey, Israel, and Egypt.

BTW, the USAF F/FB/EF-111 fleet was mothballed as a budget cut under Clinton in the early to mid 1990s.


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3592 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14556 times:
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This pix is a pretty good example of aircraft being reclaimed for parts vs scrapped outright, especially the A-10s. Not sure what's going on with the Convairs though...

Interesting pix...


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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14525 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
The same for the F-4s, many allies still fly the F-4 like Greece, Turkey, Israel, and Egypt.

Right, and I think they're still converting a good amount of them to QF-4 target drones, aren't they?



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User currently offlineFlybaurLAX From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14472 times:



Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 3):
Right, and I think they're still converting a good amount of them to QF-4 target drones, aren't they?

Indeed



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14477 times:



Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 3):
Right, and I think they're still converting a good amount of them to QF-4 target drones, aren't they?

Not so many anymore. They've burned through all the F-4 G and E airframes, and are working through the last of the RF-4Cs. You'll see QF-16A/Bs in the near future, espescially after they blast through a bunch during JSF weapons qualifications.



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14475 times:



Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 2):
This pix is a pretty good example of aircraft being reclaimed for parts vs scrapped outright, especially the A-10s.

Those A-10s may fly again. There is a wing factory at DMAFB where the oldest A-10s witht he "Thin Skin" wings that were subject to cracking are having brand new wings fabricated and installed, all while being uppdated to A-10C standard.



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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3592 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14397 times:
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Quoting Spacepope (Reply 6):
Those A-10s may fly again.

I dunno.. those A-10s are in the green scheme. Probably haven't flown in 15 years or better. I agree though that the wings may fly again - I'd guess that's why we see no A-10 wings in the pix...



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User currently offlineSpudh From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 301 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14375 times:

Is that a canberra top middle above the 707's?

User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14372 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
BTW, the USAF F/FB/EF-111 fleet was mothballed as a budget cut under Clinton in the early to mid 1990s.

The SAC FB-111 fleet was retired under BRAC 1988 - the Reagan Administration initiative - completed in 1990.

Some of the others F-111 cuts came from BRAC 88, the rest from BRAC 91. While Clinton was president when the cuts were completed, the decisions to make the cuts and eliminate the aircraft came before he was elected.


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3592 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14367 times:
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Quoting Spudh (Reply 8):
Is that a canberra top middle above the 707's?

It's a B-57 modified to the WB-57 variant. Distant relative of the Canberra, built by Martin if I'm not mistaken.


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User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4881 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14359 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
The F-111s, and FB-111A/F-111Gs or a select few of them are being retained for spares for the RAAF F/RF-111Cs and currently stored F-111Gs.

We actually took a reasonable number for F-111G aircraft and got them flying again as training aircraft (operational conversion) for the F-111C (RF-111C).

All G model planes have been retired now - and one has gone to a museum thankfully. There are still some C models flying about, and they are a welcome sight to see.  Smile It won't be long before they too are retired.

So sad that it wouldn't be possible to keep one or two flying under the protection of one of the well known Australian aircraft restoration museums. There are a couple that well accomplish this task.


User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2223 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 14197 times:

I found this,very recent, pictures of Davis-Monthan AFB on A-net :


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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3592 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14154 times:
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Quoting 747classic (Reply 12):
I found this,very recent, pictures of Davis-Monthan AFB on A-net

Strange that those C-123s appear to be in better shape than the C-5s...



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User currently offlineJohnM From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14147 times:



Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 13):
Strange that those C-123s appear to be in better shape than the C-5s...

I would think the C-123s aren't being messed with since there are very few out in the world that would require parts. How many are in flying condition in the world, a few at best? So they would be left alone. The C-5s on the other hand are being picked over pretty hard to keep the rest of the fleet going. I saw another pic of DM somewhere that one of the C-5s was almost picked apart, and not much left of the old girl.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12181 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14147 times:



Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 2):
This pix is a pretty good example of aircraft being reclaimed for parts vs scrapped outright, especially the A-10s. Not sure what's going on with the Convairs though...

Those are either T-29s or C-131s, both types are on museum hold and FMS hold.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 3):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
The same for the F-4s, many allies still fly the F-4 like Greece, Turkey, Israel, and Egypt.

Right, and I think they're still converting a good amount of them to QF-4 target drones, aren't they?



Quoting FlybaurLAX (Reply 4):
Indeed

Yes, but I think most of the F-4s are on hold for spares now. There are RF-4Cs, F-4D/EGs and German F-4Fs at DM.

Quoting Spudh (Reply 8):
Is that a canberra top middle above the 707's?



Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 10):
It's a B-57 modified to the WB-57 variant. Distant relative of the Canberra, built by Martin if I'm not mistaken.

Actually that is one of the former USAF RB-57Fs, as both NASA WB-57Fs are still with NASA and still flyable. My guess is the USAF RB-57Fs are spares for the two NASA WB-57Fs.

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 9):
The SAC FB-111 fleet was retired under BRAC 1988 - the Reagan Administration initiative - completed in 1990.

Correct, but about half of them became TAC, and some later became RAAF F-111Gs. All of the former SAC FB-111As went to AMARC with between 6000 and 7000 hours on them. The best ones became F-111Gs and had the SRAM missile equipment and wiring removed.


User currently offlineMechatNEW From United States of America, joined May 2005, 103 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14142 times:

The FB-111As later called F-111Gs, and F-111As were retired by 1991. The F-111Ds by the end of 1992. The were plans to keep some F-111Es, and most F-111Fs which had been updated for a long while. The were retired very suddenly in 1995/1996, while Clinton was President, the EF-111As went on 1997.

User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3592 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14139 times:
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Quoting JohnM (Reply 14):
I would think the C-123s aren't being messed with since there are very few out in the world that would require parts.

Thus making them excellent candidates for the scrapper. I wonder why DRMO hasn't put them out for bid?



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12965 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14135 times:



Quoting 747classic (Reply 12):
I found this,very recent, pictures of Davis-Monthan AFB on A-net :

So sad to see very expensive B1s rotting in the sun.

Given the fact that the whole fleet will be retired before the B52s and B2s it would seem Carter was right and Reagan was wrong!



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14130 times:



Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 17):
Thus making them excellent candidates for the scrapper. I wonder why DRMO hasn't put them out for bid?

They are the old Agent Orange birds, basically a superfund site in airplane form. They are pretty much left alone.



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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3592 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14073 times:
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Quoting Spacepope (Reply 19):
They are the old Agent Orange birds,

Ah yes the Ranch Hand airplanes, that would explain it.



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User currently offlineJohnM From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 14042 times:



Quoting Spacepope (Reply 19):
They are the old Agent Orange birds, basically a Superfund site in airplane form. They are pretty much left alone.

With that info, I think I'll leave them off my classic war bird wish list! Maybe I can find some better iron out there to bid on.


User currently offlineKhenleyDIA From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13739 times:

Wow! Thanks everyone for explaining and filling me/everyone else in about these old planes!

KhenleyDIA



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12181 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13530 times:

That still doesn't fully covers who may want the T-29s and C-131s kept around. They were not Ranch Hand aircraft.

User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13507 times:

Alot of 62 and 63 model KC-135A's still intact, are they on hold for FMS ?


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25 Spacepope : Erm, didn't you say they were museum holds on reply #15?
26 Lumberton : I very much doubt it. They would require a lot of re-work and re-engining.
27 Spudh : Wow!! That photo puts some perspective on the sheer size of a C5!!! It looks big enough that you could land one of those little trainer aircraft insid
28 Post contains images 747classic : These KC-135E's are still well preserved, but this C-5A looks already very worn down. A lot of spare parts are already used from here (female ?), she
29 KC135TopBoom : Yes, I did say that, and some of them are on hold for museums, but there seems to be 4 of them, and atlest 3 of those seem to be completely intact, i
30 Loran : Aren't recently stored aircraft (e.g. F-14s) kept in a different mothballing state to enable return to service if required? I thought that they are pu
31 FlyingSicilian : Yes both are based in Houston for JSC at Ellington Airport (formerly Ellington Field and before that Ellington AFB)
32 Kingairta : All the F-14s have been destroyed. There are no usable parts. The only ones left are at museums. Reason being spare parts were finding their way over
33 KC135TopBoom : There are also other provisions to keep an airplane type in storage, such as if they may be needed to be returned to service after they retire from a
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