KhenleyDIA From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 411 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10985 times:
I keep seeing all these images of the old F-4s, F-111, etc. mothballed and I begin wondering, how long some of them will be mothballed for and for what reasons?
I know it is good to have spares, but many of the planes are very out of date. I know that with the bombers they have to cut them up into 5 pieces and leave them for 90 days, but what about the smaller planes?
I would love to hear what those with real knowledge have to say.
Why sit at home and do nothing when you can travel the world.
Spacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2744 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10909 times:
Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 3): Right, and I think they're still converting a good amount of them to QF-4 target drones, aren't they?
Not so many anymore. They've burned through all the F-4 G and E airframes, and are working through the last of the RF-4Cs. You'll see QF-16A/Bs in the near future, espescially after they blast through a bunch during JSF weapons qualifications.
Spacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2744 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10908 times:
Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 2): This pix is a pretty good example of aircraft being reclaimed for parts vs scrapped outright, especially the A-10s.
Those A-10s may fly again. There is a wing factory at DMAFB where the oldest A-10s witht he "Thin Skin" wings that were subject to cracking are having brand new wings fabricated and installed, all while being uppdated to A-10C standard.
RFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 6189 posts, RR: 25 Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10805 times:
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1): BTW, the USAF F/FB/EF-111 fleet was mothballed as a budget cut under Clinton in the early to mid 1990s.
The SAC FB-111 fleet was retired under BRAC 1988 - the Reagan Administration initiative - completed in 1990.
Some of the others F-111 cuts came from BRAC 88, the rest from BRAC 91. While Clinton was president when the cuts were completed, the decisions to make the cuts and eliminate the aircraft came before he was elected.
Cpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 44 Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10792 times:
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1): The F-111s, and FB-111A/F-111Gs or a select few of them are being retained for spares for the RAAF F/RF-111Cs and currently stored F-111Gs.
We actually took a reasonable number for F-111G aircraft and got them flying again as training aircraft (operational conversion) for the F-111C (RF-111C).
All G model planes have been retired now - and one has gone to a museum thankfully. There are still some C models flying about, and they are a welcome sight to see. It won't be long before they too are retired.
So sad that it wouldn't be possible to keep one or two flying under the protection of one of the well known Australian aircraft restoration museums. There are a couple that well accomplish this task.
JohnM From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 310 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10580 times:
Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 13): Strange that those C-123s appear to be in better shape than the C-5s...
I would think the C-123s aren't being messed with since there are very few out in the world that would require parts. How many are in flying condition in the world, a few at best? So they would be left alone. The C-5s on the other hand are being picked over pretty hard to keep the rest of the fleet going. I saw another pic of DM somewhere that one of the C-5s was almost picked apart, and not much left of the old girl.
Yes, but I think most of the F-4s are on hold for spares now. There are RF-4Cs, F-4D/EGs and German F-4Fs at DM.
Quoting Spudh (Reply 8): Is that a canberra top middle above the 707's?
Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 10): It's a B-57 modified to the WB-57 variant. Distant relative of the Canberra, built by Martin if I'm not mistaken.
Actually that is one of the former USAF RB-57Fs, as both NASA WB-57Fs are still with NASA and still flyable. My guess is the USAF RB-57Fs are spares for the two NASA WB-57Fs.
Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 9): The SAC FB-111 fleet was retired under BRAC 1988 - the Reagan Administration initiative - completed in 1990.
Correct, but about half of them became TAC, and some later became RAAF F-111Gs. All of the former SAC FB-111As went to AMARC with between 6000 and 7000 hours on them. The best ones became F-111Gs and had the SRAM missile equipment and wiring removed.
MechatNEW From United States of America, joined May 2005, 83 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10575 times:
The FB-111As later called F-111Gs, and F-111As were retired by 1991. The F-111Ds by the end of 1992. The were plans to keep some F-111Es, and most F-111Fs which had been updated for a long while. The were retired very suddenly in 1995/1996, while Clinton was President, the EF-111As went on 1997.