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For First Time In 50 Years, No US Manned Space Flt  
User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8965 posts, RR: 24
Posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8139 times:

http://www.wesh.com/spacenews/22374043/detail.html

Project Constellation, which includes the new Aries rocket series which would be the next manned launch vehicle after the Space Shuttle is retired this year, has effectively been killed by the Obama administration.

That means that for the first time since Project Mercury, the US will no longer have the ability to launch men into space, and will not have any project in development to do so. Manned spaceflight is dead, as far as the US is concerned.

Thanks Mr. President, for handing over all future space exploration to the Russians and the Chinese, along with all the technological developments (and jobs) involved.

 


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User currently offlineCometII From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8107 times:

There needs to be cuts in space, in the military (yes, the USA is no longer able to maintain it's supersized military), reduce our bases in regions like Europe, we need to close embassies we cannot afford to have embassies in every single country (the UK is doing so), we need to stop funding international projects.

Finally, Americans need to accept we are a nation in decline. Yes, you heard me. We ran the credit card for decades (both parties to maintain such a hegemonic projection), and now the chickens are coming to roost. It is ironic since this is how the Soviet Union was made to collapse, spend itself to death. But Americans thought our country was different and immune because we were funded by the world through the dollar and our capital markets. No longer so.

However, if we do massive cuts now (in every category and areas either democrats or republicans do not want to touch), then in 5 years we can get our house in order and restart some of the programs.


User currently offlineFlanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1661 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8107 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
Thanks Mr. President, for handing over all future space exploration to the Russians and the Chinese, along with all the technological developments (and jobs) involved.

Way to go teleprompter in chief.

I wonder if this stuff will actually get passed.



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User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8099 times:



Quoting Flanker (Reply 2):
I wonder if this stuff will actually get passed.

It doesn't have to go through Congress. It is already done.


User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8099 times:

Well ain't that swell. Going back to the moon and setting up a base camp there was the stepping stone to getting to mars.

It doesn't help that since the Apollo missions the public's interest in space has become practically nil. Heck, I've run into too many people that didn't even know there was a space station orbiting the earth  


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6733 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8089 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
Thanks Mr. President, for handing over all future space exploration to the Russians and the Chinese, along with all the technological developments (and jobs) involved.

Since you hate government involvement in just about everything, why is it the President's job to fund space exploration? Shouldn't private industry be doing this?

You keep screaming about how the federal government is bankrupt, but yet you want the President to spend billions on space exploration?


User currently offlineFlanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1661 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8087 times:



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 4):
I've run into too many people that didn't even know there was a space station orbiting the earth  

You've had to have had your head up the ass for at least 20 years not to know that. Cant believe the ignorance of people sometimes.

With that being said, i don't see this cutback as something that will last. Sad part is we will lose ground.



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User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8062 times:

While I would rather that NASA continue work on Project Constellation, Obama's new space policy isn't entirely bad. It includes:
- maintaining the International Space Station through 2020
- an increase in NASA's budget of 6 billion over the next five years
- major increases in investment into commercial space flight development

I'm especially excited about the last part. NASA should get out of the Earth to LEO business so that, when the economy recovers such that space exploration can again be a priority, it can focus on larger targets such as the Moon and Mars.



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User currently offlineCometII From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8045 times:

We've been first in every category for 50 years. It cost us 14 trillion dollars and rising.

Now the rest of the world with much lower debt can spend money on these things and we can't.

Forget NASA, forget a worldwide military presence. Let's accept our superpower status is coming to an end and let's share the load with China, the European Union, Russia, India, Japan, and the Latin American powers.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12973 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8015 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
Thanks Mr. President, for handing over all future space exploration to the Russians and the Chinese, along with all the technological developments (and jobs) involved.

Thanks, Mr President, for getting the Chinese, Russians and Indians to waste as much money as we've been wasting in space exploration.

What's the odds of them learning some new technical innovation via a space program that we wouldn't then be able to leverage too? Not enough to worry about, says I.

Anyhow, it'd be good for us to pirate someone else's technology for a change, versus the other way around.

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 4):
It doesn't help that since the Apollo missions the public's interest in space has become practically nil. Heck, I've run into too many people that didn't even know there was a space station orbiting the earth

And if GHWB had followed his gut feeling, that would have been canned in the 80s. The only reason he kept it around was he wanted to give ex-Soviet space engineers something to do other than to work on nuclear weapons.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 5):
Since you hate government involvement in just about everything, why is it the President's job to fund space exploration? Shouldn't private industry be doing this?

I have no issue with the government funding appropriate, beneficial and important research, but manned space flight is really just a prestige program. It's all about seeing someone wave the US flag on the moon and perhaps on Mars, which is a shitload of money to spend for a few days/weeks/months of feel-good.

The bang for the buck is about 10x better for unmanned space research vs. manned.

Anyhow I'd much rather see my money go into alternate fuels research. Should these things pay off, we'd have next to no reason to be sending Americans into harm's way in Iraq and Afghanistan, and we'd get to reduce defense spending too.

I'd love to see an Apollo-like program for fusion. If we threw those kinds of resources at it, I'm sure we'd make huge amounts of progress. I'd rather be remembered as being someone from the generation who gave the US energy independence instead of being someone from the generation who went to the moon the second time.

Quoting Flanker (Reply 6):
With that being said, i don't see this cutback as something that will last. Sad part is we will lose ground.

I think most are worried about losing prestige.

The only thing Obama should be worried about here is losing votes in FL, TX, CA, VA, etc.



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8006 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):

I find space exploration fascinating and it's a big interest of mine, but when is enough, enough? We have more important issues to deal with right now, particularly domestic issues. If we take a reprieve from manned space flight, it's not the end of the world.

We can resume manned space flight in the future.



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User currently offlineMUWarriors From United States of America, joined May 2005, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8001 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
Manned spaceflight is dead, as far as the US is concerned.

I am not a fan of the current plan in the least, but the proposal is to pass NASA's job off to private enterprise. Republican friends of mine always assured me this was the way to go. Well here is the chance to prove private companies can do anything the government can, only more efficiently.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/science/space/29nasa.html

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 3):

It doesn't have to go through Congress. It is already done.

Wrong. This is part of Obama's 2011 budget, which he is presenting to Congress, who will likely add the program back in. Congress has the power of the purse, the President can recommend, and then either sign or veto the budget, but can do no unilateral movements on it.


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8965 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7978 times:



Quoting BA (Reply 10):

I find space exploration fascinating and it's a big interest of mine, but when is enough, enough?

Imagine if after Christopher Columbus returned from the New World, he and all other explorers were told, "No, you can't go back - You've already been there so what's the point?"



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User currently offlineFlanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1661 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7971 times:



Quoting Revelation (Reply 9):
I think most are worried about losing prestige.

Meh, I am not worried about prestige. I am worried that we will lose ground to the Chinese,Russians and EU and then we will have to rely on them for our future endevours. I want the us to be the leaders in innovation.



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7967 times:



Quoting Flanker (Reply 6):

You've had to have had your head up the ass for at least 20 years not to know that. Cant believe the ignorance of people sometimes.

Those that I have run into were about exactly that age. Kids born in the 90's and more recently just don't give a damn about those things and many others I've found.  


User currently offlineWindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2755 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7955 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
Project Constellation, which includes the new Aries rocket series which would be the next manned launch vehicle after the Space Shuttle is retired this year, has effectively been killed by the Obama administration.

But we are getting a high speed train that we do not want here in Central Florida.  

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 7):
- maintaining the International Space Station through 2020

To bad we will have to outsource to the Chinese and Russians to get there.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21880 posts, RR: 55
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7952 times:

No US government manned spaceflight, perhaps, but the private spaceflight industry is on the rise in the US, so there will be US rockets putting US men and women in space in the future. So while I'm not thrilled to see Constellation cut entirely (I would have liked to see it replaced with DIRECT), I don't think this is the tragedy that the OP makes it out to be.

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 4):
It doesn't help that since the Apollo missions the public's interest in space has become practically nil.

 checkmark  Hell, just look at all the posts in this thread decrying the manned space program as a waste of money, time, etc.

-Mir



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7951 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12):
Imagine if after Christopher Columbus returned from the New World, he and all other explorers were told, "No, you can't go back - You've already been there so what's the point?"

Ultimately what drove the age of exploration was seeking out faster trader routes, supplies of spices, precious metals, etc.... There was a fairly immediate economic reward for those involved. Space exploration will get there eventually.

Quoting Flanker (Reply 13):
Meh, I am not worried about prestige. I am worried that we will lose ground to the Chinese,Russians and EU and then we will have to rely on them for our future endevours. I want the us to be the leaders in innovation.

I would agree that the lose of expertise will be a bigger concern.


Manned space-flight has always been so problematic to maintain. Public awe and attention waxes and wanes so much. That even by Apollo 13 the major networks weren't airing the living broadcasts from the crew.




Laying the blame squarely on Obama for killing manned space flight is hardly fair. Our politicians have been slowly eroding support for space travel for several decades. Including the major pull packs in support for the ISS -- which may have been scaled back so much that it isn't all that useful for much research.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15842 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7947 times:



Quoting CometII (Reply 1):
Finally, Americans need to accept we are a nation in decline.

Why should we accept that? America didn't become America by accepting crap like that. Nobody said it was going to be easy.

Quoting CometII (Reply 1):
(yes, the USA is no longer able to maintain it's supersized military)

In that case I can only hope that Iran and North Korea get nukes. That could be wonderful for me.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 5):
Shouldn't private industry be doing this?

That is a fair argument, but then again, building cars and exploring space is kind of apples and oranges. Quite frankly, NASA is such a small piece of the pie it can't hurt anything. I was at a presentation by an astronaut a few months ago and the issue was raised. She said that the amout of each person's taxes that goes to NASA is ~$20. That seems like a fair price to pay for space exploration.



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User currently offlineWindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2755 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7937 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 16):
I don't think this is the tragedy that the OP makes it out to be.

Tell that to the people of Brevard county who have already faced a huge downturn in home prices and are now facing a second onslaught with the loss of a minimum of 18,000 jobs from the shuttle being shutdown. With out Constellation there will be no recovery for a long time.



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User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10350 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7939 times:



Quoting Flanker (Reply 13):
Meh, I am not worried about prestige. I am worried that we will lose ground to the Chinese,Russians and EU and then we will have to rely on them for our future endevours. I want the us to be the leaders in innovation.

Why does it always have to be a competition?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12):

Imagine if after Christopher Columbus returned from the New World, he and all other explorers were told, "No, you can't go back - You've already been there so what's the point?"

Then a hell of a lot of Native Americans might not have died.

And they might not be referred to as "Indians".

I love space exploration. I would like the US to retain at least some interest in it. But it's not keeping me up at night.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8965 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7930 times:



Quoting Windy95 (Reply 15):
But we are getting a high speed train that we do not want here in Central Florida.

Good example. Nobody needs a high speed train train from Tampa to Orlando. Both cities have airports for people who travel there from far away. If you live in Tampa and want to take your family to Disneyworld, you might save an hour's travel time on the train, but then will have to rent a car on Orlando, since you can't do much without a car there, so you end up spending more money and time than if you simply drove.

And once the inevitable cost overruns are taken into account, this useless train will end up costing us the same as completing Constellation.



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User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7914 times:



Quoting Windy95 (Reply 15):
To bad we will have to outsource to the Chinese and Russians to get there.

Incorrect. NASA is outsourcing the Earth-LEO market, but to American companies like SpaceX and Orbital Sciences. Space exploration needs to be made profitable to attract further funding, and commercializing this part of the space exploration market is the way to do that.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12973 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7913 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12):
Imagine if after Christopher Columbus returned from the New World, he and all other explorers were told, "No, you can't go back - You've already been there so what's the point?"

There was a point to going back to the new world, but what's the point of going back to the Moon?

If we want more rocks, we can send a robot at 1/10th the cost.

Quoting Flanker (Reply 13):
Meh, I am not worried about prestige. I am worried that we will lose ground to the Chinese,Russians and EU and then we will have to rely on them for our future endevours. I want the us to be the leaders in innovation.

So let's innovate in something useful like alternative energy. I'm sure the rest of the world would be much more interested in that technology.

Quoting Windy95 (Reply 15):
To bad we will have to outsource to the Chinese and Russians to get there.

I thought trade ties brought more stability to the world?

Personally I think it's kind of cool that we're using ex-Soviet technology to reach the Space Station.

Tough, functional stuff that works well and is much cheaper than anything we're likely to come up with any time soon.



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7909 times:

Well I'll guess we'll find out if my vote for Bill Nelson in Florida in 2006 was a waste or not. One of my primary reasons for voting for him is because he was an astronaut, and I know NASA is an important part of the state of the Florida, especially the Melbourne/Titusville area, and I feel if anyone could help ensure NASA continued to receive proper funding and resources, Nelson would be the guy.

Maybe I missed it, but was this even announced during the SOTU? Or was his plan to just announce this off to the side and hope it was just going to be a little scroller on CNN? "Obama axes manned US space flight" and thus most of the country wouldn't catch it?


Quoting BMI727 (Reply 18):
Quite frankly, NASA is such a small piece of the pie it can't hurt anything. I was at a presentation by an astronaut a few months ago and the issue was raised. She said that the amout of each person's taxes that goes to NASA is ~$20. That seems like a fair price to pay for space exploration.


My Senior Design teacher was talking about this last semester - NASA's entire budget would run the Department of Health and Human Services for about 2 days.

Quoting BA (Reply 10):
We have more important issues to deal with right now, particularly domestic issues.


What domestic issues? Healthcare? Is this behemoth of a Healthcare bill the reason we have to make such cuts? Much of the technology we enjoy and take for granted today can trace its roots back to space exploration.


Quoting Mir (Reply 16):
Hell, just look at all the posts in this thread decrying the manned space program as a waste of money, time, etc.

There's even more people nationwide shouting that national healthcare is a waste of time and money, but Obama doesn't seem too concerned about wasting our time and money there.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 7):
NASA should get out of the Earth to LEO business so that, when the economy recovers such that space exploration can again be a priority, it can focus on larger targets such as the Moon and Mars.

Wasn't the focus of the program that is being cut - our way of getting back to the moon and to Mars? The Ares rocket is part of the Constellation program that is being cut.

So thanks Mr. President. Going to Mars is now back to being just a dream of Hollywood and an attraction at Disney World. Too bad I don't work at Disney World. If I did and Mission Space at EPCOT was closed for a day due to maintenance work or something, I would probably put a sign out front that read "Closed due to Obama's Budget Cuts".

I hope this is met with stiff opposition from both parties. Otherwise I better never see a Democrat on here ever again compare themselves to the Democratic party that supported JFK - "We choose to go to the moon in this decade, and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard". Well, apparently not anymore.  no 

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25 Flyboyseven : Although that might be true( I dont think it will), a train will mean hundreds or thousands of cars off the road between the two cities. Even if you
26 BMI727 : Is your transportation is a horse and buggy? Just think of what improvements you could make to roads and airports for the price of building the rail
27 Flanker : I don't really give a rats ass what the rest of the world is interested in. Its in our interests as a country not to be reliant on others when it com
28 Mt99 : Dont you want a smaller government? Let private companies invest. They are the best at knowing what you and me want and need. Richard Bronson is doin
29 Post contains images BA : The well being of this country and its citizens is more important than being #1 in a space competition.   High-speed trains are not built for people
30 Flighty : One way to phrase it is that space exploration is no longer 'high technology' - it is just a really expensive, old technology exercise. Much was learn
31 Revelation : Is a NASA-related job considered to be a birthright or something? Funny that horse and buggy has a very similar safety record to that "starship" Spac
32 Zentraedi : You mean like ITER? Yup, in fact the Democrats in congress even cut 2008 US funding for the project...as opposed to the EU, China, Russia, Japan, Ind
33 Mir : There are always people who are going to lose jobs with things like this. And there are people who are going to gain jobs as a result of expansion of
34 BA : I don't get your point. Of course you can always spend money on "other things." What's your point? Ultimately it's a matter of prioritization. That's
35 Zentraedi : You honestly don't get it? "We have other things we need to spend money on now." Is a faulty argument used by all sides in the political spectrum in
36 Nomadd22 : What manned capability did we have from 1974 to 1981? The new plan is to develop private capability since NASA can't seem to launch a butterfly withou
37 Flighty : Unfortunately that's not really the argument. Instead, we should not build museums when no one has a use for the museum. The manned space flight prog
38 BA : Please reread what I said. As human beings, we have unlimited wants, but we live in a world with finite resources. This is called scarcity in economi
39 Prebennorholm : What need do we have for manned space travel? Well, as long as we have the ISS (which seems to do some science which few people know about), then we n
40 Rwessel : While various classified satellite servicing missions were clearly a consideration after the DoD was required to take part in the Shuttle program, th
41 MCIGuy : Exactly, I will accept niether, we MUST maintain our military.
42 Revelation : I'm sorry to hear about that. Thanks for the excellent post. Hubble certainly has been a marvelous instrument, but I've read you could have built 20
43 Post contains links SpeedyGonzales : It's successor JWST will be launched by Ariane 5 and put into orbit around the Sun-Earth L2-point, way out of reach for the LEO-confined shuttle. WMA
44 GDB : Dreadnaught, I share your enthusiasm for space, I think the naysayers are often ill-informed and narrow, though often, and I think how the Shuttle tur
45 Revelation : Indeed. NASA shamelessly resorted to giving rides to politicians (John Glen was one, I forget the rest) to try to keep their hands in the public till
46 FlyDeltaJets87 : Anyone else I'm not aware of because I think John Glenn can be an "exception" to the rule, on account of how he's one of the pioneers for NASA and sp
47 GDB : Interestingly, in a recent doc on Mars exploration, discussion on future probes, attempting to find traces of primitive (more likely past) life, the s
48 Post contains links and images Revelation : So were Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, Jim Lovell, etc. Unfortunately for them, they also didn't happen to be Congressmen. Ref: http://www.u-s-history.
49 Prebennorholm : Dear Rwessel, your analisys in reply #40 covers the situation very well, thanks a lot. Right, but electronic imaging didn't happen as an overnight rev
50 Connies4ever : Don't think that's accurate: --NASA kept changing focus for post-Apollo with every budget reduction (remember that funding peaked in 1965). Apollo Ap
51 DiamondFlyer : There's more than that for heavy launch vehicle's. You've got Ariane 5 and Delta IV Heavy, both of which have flown. Atlas V HLV, which has been desi
52 Cpd : What benefit does it bring, other than being a prestige program? And why shouldn't private industry be funding this stuff instead, if it is so useful
53 EA CO AS : Um, what?
54 Flighty : Yeah, love how that got slipped in there! LOL
55 L410Turbolet : Space exploration is a waste of money? It's probably the top class of science. From an outside perspective Moon landing was one of the USA's finest h
56 Revelation : Yes, but that was in 1969, forty years ago, so can't we move on to something else now? How about something with some small hope of a payoff, like bei
57 Post contains images PITIngres : I've been a manned spaceflight advocate for 45 years and I have to agree with this decision. The whole Ares program had fiasco written all over it. (H
58 GDB : Looking around on line, I've been surprised at how many, who are supportive of manned flight, don't have too many problems with this announcement. Que
59 Revelation : I wish they had done the same for the ISS. It's the single most expensive object ever built by mankind.
60 L410Turbolet : Well, that's stooping down to the level of "thuggish" superpower USSR-style which proves its superiority by means of flexing its military muscles onl
61 PlaneWasted : Boring but correct decision. We need to master fusion power before we can take the next big step for mankind and build a long range spaceship.
62 Connies4ever : I think space exploration, and the technology driver it can be, are laudable efforts. In fact I applied for an astronaut position in 1983 when Canada
63 Post contains links and images AirRyan : Fifty years, does that include Ham the Astro Chimp? Just goes to show you, the Federal government couldn't run a business if their life depending on i
64 Rwessel : You are, of course, entitled to that opinion, but many people, including most of the scientific community, consider the scientific returns from the m
65 Revelation : I think the simple answer is many in the US and in the rest of the world sleep better at night knowing that North Korea or Iran will need to think lo
66 L-188 : What can I say. I warned you all that Obama was going to pull a "Walter Mondale" and destroy the space program. By shutting down manned flight he is s
67 ATA1011Tristar : Forgive my ignorance, but what are the plans of the United States in regards to maintaining the International Space Station thru 2020? I understand t
68 Revelation : And are quite happy to take $$$ to carry astronauts/cosmonauts/tourists. Yes, because the price for the front seat is too high. Pay the bulk of the b
69 BlackProjects : The US Congress are going ape over the proposed Culling off the Ares Launch system as it will lead to a Brain drain of rocket Scientists away from the
70 ATA1011Tristar : Ah, thanks much. That actually makes a lot of sense to me. I understand that it is quite expensive to get a seat on a Soyuz, and that the Russians ma
71 rwessel : It's hard to get solid numbers, because neither the Russians or NASA are particularly transparent about assigning costs, both of these are long term
72 Post contains images HaveBlue : That was very interesting rwessel and something I've long wondered about. Thanks for that.  
73 GDB : Any attempt to carry on with Constellation would be well advised to forget Ares 1. The fact is, that was botched which led to cost overruns and delays
74 BlackProjects : ARES V Iis the Vehice required or the Shuttle Derived Heavy Lift Vehicle which is basicaly a Shuttle External Tank 2 sightly lareger Booster and an Ex
75 Blackbird1331 : If the US government runs the space program, taxpayers pay the bill. If private corporations run it, shareholders will run it. How much per share? $20
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