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P-8A Status?  
User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3391 posts, RR: 26
Posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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The first two aircraft flew last year, T2 just got a new radar (Boeing site news).. and a new torpedo for this application was announced at the Singapore Airshow (Flightglobal report). However there seems to be nothing on the web about the flight test status of these planes.

Is anybody following them?

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User currently offlineflybaurLAX From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I have no clue about the schedule of test flights or it's progress, but I saw it out on the ramp at Boeing Field yesterday on my approach to SEA from the jumpseat in a 737. I saw it next to a 787. I suppose if it's out there, it must be getting close to flying.


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User currently offlineflybaurLAX From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

So, I may have seen the wrong thing when I came in last weekend. I thought I saw the P-8, but I believe it would have had to fly from Renton to BFI in order to be there. I was at the Museum of Flight today, and saw 2 Turkish Air Force 737s there, so maybe these are the grey a/c I saw.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a156/zwitter345/DSC02152.jpg



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User currently offlineDrewski2112 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

The first P-8A is inside the BCA flight test hangar at Boeing field. It was out on the commercial airplanes flightline earlier last week with flight test instruments on the tail. It flew four or five times in October using the callsign "SCORE 85," but hasn't flown since.

The second and third (airworthy) P-8A's are inside the developmental centere hangar across the street from the Boeing military ramp. Both the second and third planes haven't flown since their first flights, which were in June and September, respectively. Currently, there are no airworthy P-8A's being assembled at Renton.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting flybaurLAX (Reply 2):
flybaurLAX

I don't see a USN P-8A in the pisture, or the Turkish AF B-737-AEW aircraft. That is a picture of the RAAF B-737-AEW-Wedgetail. It is carrying the FAA reg. N35BBJ, which I think is Wedgetail airplane #5. I don't recall this airplane flying yet, either.

Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 3):
Drewski2112

Both Boeing and the USN have been pretty quite about the P-8A flight test schedule. So, it is hard to say if the program is on schedule, or not.

But, I believe you are right, no P-8A has flown in several months now, and #2 and #3 have yet to fly their FF.


User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12341 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
#2 and #3 have yet to fly their FF.

I think you missed this:

Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 3):
Both the second and third planes haven't flown since their first flights, which were in June and September, respectively.

And if the A/C are at Boeing Field instead of Renton they had to fly at least once, no?



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 5):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
#2 and #3 have yet to fly their FF.

I think you missed this:

Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 3):
Both the second and third planes haven't flown since their first flights, which were in June and September, respectively.

And if the A/C are at Boeing Field instead of Renton they had to fly at least once, no?

Thanks, I did miss that, sorry.         


User currently offlineflybaurLAX From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
I don't see a USN P-8A in the pisture, or the Turkish AF B-737-AEW aircraft. That is a picture of the RAAF B-737-AEW-Wedgetail. It is carrying the FAA reg. N35BBJ, which I think is Wedgetail airplane #5. I don't recall this airplane flying yet, either.

Gotchya, there was the one (pictured), that I see now says RAAF, but there was one to the right of it yesterday that said Turkish Air Force. I didn't see these guys last weekend when I flew overhead jumpseating, but did see a darker grey, so possibly that was the P-8.



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 3):
The first P-8A is inside the BCA flight test hangar at Boeing field. It was out on the commercial airplanes flightline earlier last week with flight test instruments on the tail. It flew four or five times in October using the callsign "SCORE 85," but hasn't flown since.

The second and third (airworthy) P-8A's are inside the developmental centere hangar across the street from the Boeing military ramp. Both the second and third planes haven't flown since their first flights, which were in June and September, respectively. Currently, there are no airworthy P-8A's being assembled at Renton

thanks.. that's more than I could get from my ME contacts at Boeing..

Quoting flybaurLAX (Reply 7):
Gotchya, there was the one (pictured), that I see now says RAAF, but there was one to the right of it yesterday that said Turkish Air Force. I didn't see these guys last weekend when I flew overhead jumpseating, but did see a darker grey, so possibly that was the P-8.

The RAAF is an Australian Wedgetail... P-8's dont have that dorsal fin

Thanks again


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Apparently the USN P-8A #1 just completed a month long vibration test of the wing mounted weapons stores.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1077

[Edited 2010-02-16 04:55:41]

User currently offlineDrewski2112 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

YP003 (P-8A T2) was towed across East Marginal Way to the Boeing military ramp at 0400 PST this morning. I didn't see any noticeable external modifications from when I last saw it in June.

User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 8):
The RAAF is an Australian Wedgetail... P-8's dont have that dorsal fin

A remarkable success so far.


User currently offlineShmertspionem From India, joined Aug 2006, 453 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Does anyone have a pic of the actual radar that's being fitted on the P8? not the radar dome but the naked radar itself. Thanks.


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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4805 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting flybaurLAX (Reply 2):
So, I may have seen the wrong thing when I came in last weekend. I thought I saw the P-8, but I believe it would have had to fly from Renton to BFI in order to be there. I was at the Museum of Flight today, and saw 2 Turkish Air Force 737s there, so maybe these are the grey a/c I saw.

Yes there are some Turkish 737s but I think they are for VIP transport or something.
The 737 in the pic is the RAAF (Australian) Wedgetail... its an AWACS/Over the horizon radar type platform.



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User currently offlineEskimotail From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 36 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

In early Feb T-1 was outside at the North end of Boeing Field for about 12 hours. You probobly saw that one. It went immediatly back inside the big Boeing hangar at the North end of the field. A really close look would have revealed its underwing surprises.

P8A radar is APY-10.

This week T-1 and T-2 both relocated to the Military Flight Center and are basking outdoors there right now. They are side by side in stalls at the Military Flight Center.
One more (T-3) lurks close by, waiting for its oppurtunity to escape the build hangar. The 2 static test (S-1, S-2) birds are safely in their steel fixtures in Renton. There was a recent successful mile stone of 150 percent load.

Along side the 2 P8As at the South end, there is 1 Austrailian AEWC (Wedgetail) and 1 Turkish AEWC (Peace Eagle) in residence and both are flying regularly. There are occaisional visits of targets visiting the MFC ramp to support the AEWC testing. There are 5 additional Wedgetails currently in Austrailia, and 3 additional Peace Eagles in Turkey.

Of course there is the resident E3 AWACS that flys regularly, and the 757 flying test bed flying regularly.

The P8 is on schedule, and will have 3 full up models in flight testing shortly.

Ironicly since the P8s have moved outdoors, the P3 Orion training traffic at Boeing field has increased dramaticly. The Navy bubbas trying to glimpse the future, ya know.


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Heard T-1 Flew today (Apr 1) no joke.

User currently offlinedrewski2112 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 15):

Sure did. Left at 1600 with N416X and returned back to BFI at 1800. Terrible weather for both takeoff and landing. Here's my pic from yesterday:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/smartjunco/4483334680/

I heard it might be flying again on Monday.


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting drewski2112 (Reply 16):
Sure did. Left at 1600 with N416X and returned back to BFI at 1800. Terrible weather for both takeoff and landing. Here's my pic from yesterday:


Good picture, thanks..are you going to upload it to the A.net photo file

Also heard the the a/c will head to Patuxent River by the end of the month for formal flight test


User currently offlineEskimotail From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 36 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

It will be in PAX river within a week.

User currently offlineDrewski2112 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

After a failed attempt yesterday due to weather conditions (for some reason they don't like to fly through clouds), T-1 left at 0645 PDT today for NHK. They were only cleared up to FL230.

User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6098 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 3):

I was up there last week (last Sat and Sun) and it was in fact out of the hanger. When my buddy and I were at the Museum it was parked facing to the north. It was completely surround with orange tape to prevent any un-welcomed guest. I didn't see much security, but I am sure it was there. Great looking wing on the P-8.



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User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4781 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Nice cutaway of the P-8A on Flightglobal.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?ItemID=33927



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User currently offlineDrewski2112 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

P-8A T-2 (cn 34396/2814) flew yesterday afternoon as "SCORE 97" on a BFI round robin. No chase planes like we saw with T-1's flights. This was T-2's first, and second ever, flight in literally a year (first flight was on 5 June 2009).

Rick Schlamp got a picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/65483667@N00/4667456207/


User currently offlineEskimotail From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 36 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

P8 no longer requires chase to fly. The ATC system can now handle P8 without chase. T1 is in Maryland, T2 going shortly, T3 in about a month. T4 is in Renton, on assy line 3.

User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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here is a press update

http://seattle.bizjournals.com/seatt.../2010/06/07/daily31.html?ana=yfcpc


25 KC135TopBoom : I am wondering if the success (so far) in the USN P-8A program actually reduces the risk on the proposed KC-767NG program?
26 bikerthai : Slight error with the report. T-2 took off and landed at Boeing Field. The take off from Renton was earlier in the year. T-4 airplane should be takin
27 Post contains links bikerthai : T-2 has moved to Pax River. http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...0To%20Pax%20River%20Testing%20Site bikerthai
28 Post contains images DEVILFISH : Could one of those be by any chance this South Korean AF "Peace Eye" AEWC aircraft?..... .....as it suddenly made its appearance seemingly without pr
29 kanban : they are both Korean...note the Korean characters on he forward fuselage... and the aft logo is Korean
30 DEVILFISH : It's the same airplane - I knew - I put the photos together. I was referring to Reply 14's description of the apron scene and inquiring if something
31 kanban : sorry misread your question... I was over there late Feb and didn't see the Korean unit out on the field...
32 Post contains images DEVILFISH : No problem.
33 kanban : I have discovered that that is the only Korean Wedgetail to be modified in Seattle, the rest will be done in Korea from kits. it's strange with all th
34 N92R03 : Somewhat off topic but... The hangar/simulator bay in Jacksonville is being built. Projected completion is about a year away.
35 KC135TopBoom : Has the USN announced basing plans for the 108 P-8As, besides JAX?
36 bikerthai : Found this on the web "From Defense Aerospace P-8A Multi-Mission Maritime Aircraft Homebasing Announced (Source: US Department of Defense; issued Jan
37 kanban : Boeing Commercial and Boeing Military have swapped some properties so the old Thompson site (previous life as 737 assembly and then propulsion divisio
38 bikerthai : Don't forget the big fiber placed machines. Having taken over the DC and all the composite capabilities there, it would lead one to conclude that Boe
39 Bennett123 : How do those who will fly/operate the new aircraft view the move from the P3C?.
40 kanban : I've heard they love the test vehicles... , and we're hoping the Royal Navy and Nato will buy a few..
41 Post contains images bikerthai : Well, they will get . . . - a new lav - a new galley - lay flat crew rest seat instead of fold down cots - large LCD screens bikerthai
42 SHAQ : Can this a/c be refueled air-to-air ? I hope the USAF buys also the Wedgetail 737
43 Eskimotail : Yes on recieving fuel as built right now, and conceptually eventually able to deliver fuel in the long term. Test crews are ecstatic about it, they w
44 Post contains links ThePointblank : On the subject of the P-8, it appears that the Indians want to add to their order. The Indians are planning an additional 4 P-8i's through exercising
45 bikerthai : You would have to chose: Sonobuoy launchers/bomb bay or Mesa Radar. Both system will not fit in the back of the airplane. Even if the Wedgetail can d
46 Post contains links Drewski2112 : The fourth P-8A (cn 40594/3324) flew out of RNT today as BOE6A. This is the first production frame. Here's a pic: http://www.flickr.com/photos/smartju
47 bikerthai : Correction. This aircraft is T-4; still a test aircraft. The next two T-5 and T-6 will also be test aircraft. The first production frame will be LRIP
48 bikerthai : Further clarification: They call T4 a "production representative test vehicle", not quite "production". bikerthai
49 Revelation : And the pilots will get a logbook filled with 737 time, which will be damn nice thing to have if they are thinking about a nice post-military career
50 Drewski2112 : Thanks. I was aware of the five frames, but I must have counted the static and fatigue frames. I wonder if this will be the first P-8A to be worked a
51 Post contains images kanban : if we told you we'd have to shoot you... actually I believe it is...
52 Post contains images bikerthai : Confirmed. I saw pictures but they self destructed. bikerthai
53 Post contains links bikerthai : Update: http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/archives/225839.asp "U.S. Navy Boeing P-8A Poseidon launches first sonobuoys" "The P-8A launched six sonob
54 Post contains links bikerthai : Update: See the new P-8A Assembly building http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/archives/228190.asp [i]The new building obviously wasn't purpose-built
55 kanban : Looks like the Thompson Site, smells like the Thompson Site, but having been home to the B-29???? that would be Plant II ... so where are we???? Abou
56 Post contains links and images Drewski2112 : The crossing from the airport to the Thompson site, based on Google earth, shows it at 114ft thanks to Hangar 89 that went up this summer. The 737NG w
57 kanban : The PI picture seems to imply this will be a moving line, are they bringing the birds in the back of the building? I didn't think there was room to co
58 Post contains links STT757 : A couple questions, First is it 108 or 117, I've heard all along it will be 108 but now I'm reading 117; Here are some articles referencing "117" P-8
59 Ozair : Didn't the Navy recently announce that they would b e holding on to some P-3s as the P-8 hadn't been approved for special mission aircraft yet? I'm s
60 STT757 : There are no P-3s permanently based overseas, there are detachment bases that host squadrons rotated in from bases in the US. Overseas P-3 detachment
61 Drewski2112 : From everything I've been told, the Thompson site was a purpose built factory for the 737 line. They started making 737's there in late 1967 and stop
62 kanban : thought the B-29's were only from Plant II and the KC135s, 377/C97's were from Renton...
63 Post contains links kanban : interesting video http://www.economicvindicator.com/20...pens-seattle-sub-killer-plant.html moved from a duplicate post that will probably be removed.
64 Post contains links Drewski2112 : Spirit Aerosystems is starting to make the first Indian Navy P-8I's fuselage: http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1548 In related news
65 bikerthai : I think the 117 is the result of 108 Production birds + 9 test frames. The test frames include T1, through T8 and the static test bird. But don't tak
66 bikerthai : Correction: Flying Test frames are T1 through T6. S1 and S2 are static and fatigue frames. I think the Navy did not want the extra test frame and did
67 Post contains links bikerthai : Update: "The P-8A Poseidon program has completed full-scale static testing" "Although static testing is complete, the airframe still has work to do in
68 Post contains links kanban : nice video of a touch and go plus a low pass at Paine Field from KPAE Blogspot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFQWNKS-ZhQ&feature=player_embedded
69 njgtr82 : There was one flying off the coast on NJ today on a flight from and back to Pax River this afternoon
70 Post contains links Revelation : Seems the $$$ are flowing: Seattle Times: Navy inks $1.6B contract for initial P-8 Poseidon production planes In way of a program update: Sounds like
71 Post contains links bikerthai : Here is the news release from the NAVY: http://www.navair.navy.mil/newsrelea...x.cfm?fuseaction=home.view&id=4481 It included a nice photo of fla
72 STT757 : Again they're mentioning 117, not 108. As quoted in reply 36; five squadrons at Jacksonville One fleet replacement squadron at Jacksonville four squa
73 Post contains links dahawaiian : Basing Update: http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/2...ight_shift_more_jets_to_isles.html Possibly 24 more P-8's for Kaneohe Bay? They might as well re
74 Himself : I wonder if the Navy are planning to lend the extra P-8s to the Army for their ISR needs in Afghanistan or Iraq.
75 STT757 : The article's information is a bit confusing, I think as it stands now 117 P-8s are planned to deploy with 13 squadrons (3 Kaneohe Bay, 4 Whidbey Isl
76 Post contains links kanban : The first production unit enters Final Assembly.. http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1654
77 Post contains links bikerthai : Lets hope that we are out of Afghanistan before that. Personally I hope the Army/Airforce buy this instead: Boeing Proposes EP-8 To Replace Jstars (b
78 kanban : I'm hearing rumors that Boeing is about to erect some new manufacturing buildings in Renton... don't know if these are 737 (P-8) support or 787 or 767
79 Eskimotail : These are primarily to support 737 production rate increases....
80 Post contains links and images DEVILFISH : The first South Korean Peace Eye had flown..... View Large View MediumPhoto © David Lednicer I assume that protrusion under the tail to be the senso
81 bikerthai : Yes, but not part of the MESA radar system. If you have a Hi Res copy of flight international cut away poster, it will tell you what that system is.
82 Beiaard : Being from Jacksonville, the hum of those Allison T56s and big Hamilton Standard props are like a mother's lullaby to me. That said, I'm excited for t
83 Post contains links bikerthai : A small peek into the P-8A Military Line. This is where the mission equipment are installed after BCA delivers the aircraft from Renton to Boeing Fiel
84 Post contains links kanban : first production A/C completed first flight -- link has picture http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1844 now we're cooking..
85 Revelation : According to kanban's link:
86 Post contains links kanban : Matt has captured video of the first Indian P-8I in flight test. http://kpae.blogspot.com/ Good to see this baby in the air and I must admit I thought
87 Post contains links Devilfish : Radar and combat systems tests conducted..... http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...s-tests-at-sea-with-destroyer.html Quote: "ATLANTIC OCEAN --- On
88 Post contains links Eskimotail : Now it can sting..... http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2011/...idon-launches-first-mk-54-torpedo/
89 Post contains links and images bikerthai : India to aquire 12 more P-8I http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=123898 "At a later date, it was planned to acquire 12 more P-8Is for of
90 Post contains links kanban : Well the first operational one has now been delivered to the Navy http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/n...-first-p-8a-to-navy.html?ana=yfcpc http://boe
91 Revelation : Interesting context surrounding the order: Ok, it can observe small boats like the terrorists used, but how would it stop them? A Harpoon would seem
92 flightsimer : Ya i know its a little late... But... talking about clearances with the P-8... At Pax River, they had to cut the doors of the hangar so they could fi
93 Post contains images bikerthai : Hopefully they will eventually be able to deploy SDBII which would work well against slow moving boats. For the faster boats, you can always do a low
94 LMP737 : I know it probably won't happen but what about NAS North Island? With the S-3 Vikings gone there's open space and there already is a VR squadron that
95 StudeDave : It has been over three years since I retired and left NAS North Island, but before I left I visited a few friends who where standing up some of the n
96 LMP737 : Your info is more up to date than mine still. I got out almost twenty years ago! Guess it would make little sense to have three bases on the west coa
97 kanban : I thought I heard a second operational unit has now been delivered to the Navy.. can anyone confirm
98 bikerthai : Please clarify. LRIP1-1 was delivered to the Navy earlier this month. They just had the "official" ceremony this week. Don't think LRIP1-2 have flown
99 kanban : LRIP1-1 delivered 3-6 don't know the line number, then line 2931 was reported flown to Elgin 3-20... maybe that isn't a delivery...
100 bikerthai : Line 2931 is one of the early test planes. Probably went to Elgin to do some joint exercise or something. bt
101 kanban : do you have a list of the test line numbers and the first say 10 LRIP line numbers.. would help me keep them straight.
102 Drewski2112 : As of 31 March 2012: United States Navy test frames: YP001 - BuNo 167951 (cn 34394/2599). First flight 15 April 2009. YP003 - BuNo 167953 (cn 34396/28
103 Post contains links kanban : Thanks I was forwarded some P-8 news articles that might be of interest.. I realize that a program on schedule and on budget with no major systems pr
104 Post contains images Beiaard : Thanks for the links. I'll keep an eye on the sky next time I'm home in hopes of seeing one...at the same time, though, I know I'll miss the chest-vi
105 Post contains links flightsimer : Well now that it's finally public information, the p-8 has been at RAF Lossiemouth in Scotland for the last week and will be there till next Saturday
106 kanban : Nice post flightsimer, enjoyed the pictures..
107 Post contains links and images Revelation : Recent article from FG: US Navy to start P-8 operational tests in the summer Also has a good overview of what is coming up in Increment 2: It's not c
108 Post contains links bikerthai : From: http://www.navair.navy.mil/index.cfm...AEF3CE-30B0-4C3D-829C-50FEF3A301F3 Multi-Static Active Coherent (MAC) MAC is the third generation of mul
109 Revelation : Skydivers use 54 meters/sec as an estimate for terminal velocity, so a 10,000m fall (32.8 k feet) would take 185 seconds, a tad more than three minut
110 bikerthai : Are you using the pone position or the dive position? So if in a clean configuration (no chutes) the buoys would travel at 100+ m/s then it would tak
111 Post contains images Revelation : I'm using a SWAG! Yep, it was amazing to see not how long they took to fall, but also how unstable they were.
112 Beiaard : I'm an arts and humanities type, so don't mistake this for questioning your knowledge, but wouldn't that terminal velocity only be valid for somethin
113 bikerthai : Your intuition is correct . . . And as an Engineering Term WAG is "Wild Ass Guess" and a SWAG is just a "Scientific Wild Ass Guess" Finally looked it
114 Post contains links and images flightsimer : Well VX-1 and their P-8 was out of the country again last month in the southern hemisphere but has since returned. But right now they are a deployment
115 JayinKitsap : I think it depends on shape and density. There is a given air drag for a body, once that Force = mg there is no more acceleration and down she goes.
116 Post contains images bikerthai : Posted it before and will post again . . . Please keep us updated. It's good to hear what's going on with the P-8 from more than the "official" sourc
117 kanban : Does anybody know how many have been completed through outfitting and delivered?
118 Post contains images spudh : Ahem, density has nothing to do with it save for surface area exposed to friction. Remember a cannonball will fall at the same speed as a feather in
119 Eskimotail : Completed P8s 3 Instrumented Flight Test Aircraft to the Integrated Test Team at PAX River 3 full up IOTE aircraft to VX-1 at PAX River 2 full up ope
120 bikerthai : Unless you have propulsion, free fall would be the fastest way to get to the water surface in order to more quickly activate the sensors. As for addi
121 StudeDave : Is that supposed to say "VP-30"? StudeDave
122 Post contains links Eskimotail : Yes, indeed VP-30, yikes This represents a typical profile used for ASW work, all done at less than 1,000 AGL. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B..
123 Post contains images bikerthai : I'm pretty sure you are not talking about the bomb bay. Other than the oxygen tanks and the aerial refueling lines, I don't know what other explosive
124 flightsimer : VX-20 is the first squad. Though unless it's been delivered since April, I didn't think VX-1 had the third yet. I thought my brother said they only h
125 bikerthai : There is a little confusion in terminology. One of the test frame was delivered with full configuration and will not return to Boeing for re-furb. I'
126 Eskimotail : Some Sonobouy species contain 8 pounds of class A explosives. These are carried in the cabin just like all the others. I can Guarantee there are 6 as
127 bikerthai : Just to supplement Eskimotail's summary, P-8I airframe 1 will be doing ordinance dropping test this summer. Expect to see it take off from Boeing fie
128 flightsimer : Thanks, so was the third p-8 delivered to VX-1 prior to April or was it only more recently? AS for RIMPAC, it is finishing up this week and the plane
129 Post contains links blrsea : Check out some pics of the P8-I ordered by India here : http://livefist.blogspot.com/2012/07...p-close-with-indian-navy-p-8i.html It is scheduled to b
130 stealthz : That big island between New Zealand & Madagascar.. made a splashy PR visit to the capital then on to the West coast to see how effective it was a
131 BigJKU : The P-8 should really represent a major leap in capability for anyone who buys it, particularly in the Pacific with its wide spaces. It will have a ma
132 Post contains images bikerthai : Well, a 75 Toyota can probably do just as well as a 2010 Honda on my reuglar commute. Good luck trying to find spare parts for that 75 Toyota. bt
133 BigJKU : That is why I said Europe. A fair number of them have P-3's already. There will be a lot going to the boneyard from the US from which they could draw
134 bikerthai : And the replacement parts from the US frames will have how many cycles left in them when they are retired? You would think the US P-3 would have fewe
135 BigJKU : Yeah, the alternatives really don't impress me all that much. I think the A320 version is pie in the sky. Not nearly enough user base to make it happ
136 Post contains links Eskimotail : HEADS UP http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE201 P8I #1 left BFI 08/02 2012 with full load of stores under is wings. Might be some great photos avai
137 ThePointblank : Somewhat, if they are already a P-3 operator. The P-8's current sensors and systems are mostly recycled or derived from the latest P-3 Blocks. Howeve
138 bikerthai : Right now, the most obvious increase in systems capabilities lies in the mission computing which is the natural result of using newer chips and proce
139 kanban : I started this thread about 2 1/2 years ago to track this plane remotely (having retired) and wish to thank all those who have kept it updated, especi
140 BigJKU : The big update to me is the ability of the P-8 to operate effectively in the Pacific much more so than the P-3 due to its ability to get out to a sta
141 Post contains images Revelation : And thank you for starting it! I too am enjoying the thread. It's nice to see a military/aerospace project track right to what it's supposed to track
142 Post contains images bikerthai : And more importantly, they have 2 commercial style lay flat seat for crew rest instead of the bunks. . . . it has a commercial style lav . . . and a
143 Revelation : Dare I ask what you get in the P-3?
144 bikerthai : Never been on a P-3. But from photos, it looks like a glorified "port-a-potty" with your standard toilet seat and a small sink. The P-8 lav is also a
145 Post contains images Devilfish : Given what airlines are serving nowadays.....MREs may not be too bad a compromise.
146 flightsimer : Valiant shield is starting here within the next two weeks...
147 Eskimotail : LRIP 1-3 delivered to NAS Jacksonville on Friday. LRIP 1-4 progressing right behind it at Military Flight.
148 Post contains links Revelation : Twitter brought me the following: Boeing wins $1.9 billion deal for U.S. surveillance planes which in part says: Glad to see the program is cruising r
149 Post contains links bikerthai : Interesting article on the P-8 Vs the P-3. http://defense.aol.com/2012/10/02/na...-high-altitude-high-tech-barf-bag/ bt
150 Post contains links bikerthai : India officially received their P-8I. http://india.nydailynews.com/newsart...aritime-patrol-aircraft-with-image The plane will be in Seattle for a whi
151 kanban : Thanks BT... good to have you over there checking. What's our total delivered now? You know a lot of people didn't believe the Indian planes would del
152 Eskimotail : YP/14 is next to deliver and is currently on the flight line at Military Flight. YP/17 just flew over the hill today to begin its I and C.O. process.
153 Post contains images Revelation : Indeed. It's great to know there's now a flying tandoori oven!
154 Post contains images Eskimotail : So old school. Actually equipped with full frig and convection oven.
155 Post contains links and images bikerthai : P-8 update Fatigue testing has begun - surprising that fatigue testing has started so late. http://boeingnews.web.boeing.com/archive/2013/4915.html Fi
156 bikerthai : Correction in early April.
157 Post contains links bikerthai : Want to see a 737 drop ordinance? http://www.boeing.com/Features/2013/04/bds_p8i_04_17_13.html Sit through the talking heads and you'll get some nice
158 Post contains images Revelation : Awesome. Much better than it leaving blue juice everywhere! Personally, I hope it never gets used in anger, but it's still awesome tech.
159 cjg225 : Thanks for the link. Pretty cool.
160 Post contains links STT757 : There's been a major change in the P-8s basing plans, they will now be based at two locations (Whidbey Island and Jacksonville). Plans to base three s
161 dahawaiian : Although the Supplemental EIS is still not finished, it appears as though the Navy has already made the decision to pull the patrol squadrons out of
162 BigJKU : I think the key thing for the P-8 really should be its ability to deploy just about anywhere in a pinch. You should be able to do most major airframe
163 bikerthai : Could this mean that the US Navy will rely on the Australian P-8's and their bases more for Pacific support? After all, the Aussies will get the same
164 STT757 : It means technically all the P-8 squadrons will be based at two locations, Jacksonville and Whidbey Island, however at least half the squadrons will
165 Post contains links bikerthai : P-8I aircraft now in India. http://in.news.yahoo.com/indian-navy...nnaissance-aircraft-130037998.html "The Indian Navy Wednesday received the first of
166 kanban : I see another Indian P-8I had first flight yesterday.. how many is that now? And how many total have been delivered?
167 Eskimotail : 1 delivered in country and operating, Another to deliver shortly, The one that flew yesterday is actually #5. A P8I will be flying air demos for the u
168 Post contains images kanban : complete with torpedo launching??? one way to clear the log boom.
169 Post contains links bikerthai : Someone posted the fly-by. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRfArCnMyu4 bt
170 kanban : The order for the next 13 shows up this week on the Boeing orders page.
171 BigJKU : The P-8 is going to be a fantastic capability for a very long time. From what I hear behind the scenes it sounds like most of the technical challenge
172 Post contains links kanban : Boeing adds another contract for more training equipment http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...ion-poseidon-defense-contract.aspx
173 kanban : Was down at the Museum of Flight today.. there are 2 Indian P-8, one US Navy P-8, one Turkish Wedgetail and a Saudi AWACS on the adjacent ramp area..
174 Revelation : I'm envious. I've been there twice (once as the 777 was in its early days and last year as 787 and 747-8 are in theirs). It's one of my favorite plac
175 Post contains links kanban : a little news the palmer is ready fro service http://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-navy-declare-boeings-p-223936484.html
176 bikerthai : They will begin their deployment to Japan in early December. Just a blink of an eye as far as scheduling goes. bt
177 BigJKU : Is Japan still having issues with the P-1? I wonder if this deployment is part sales trip. I know they were grounded this summer sometime and I have
178 Post contains images bikerthai : I believe Boeing made a proposal to Japan. Nothing like first hand experience with the hardware to make you want to buy some, just like interest in t
179 BigJKU : Yeah. It really depends on where the P-1 program is. I presume the plane is back in the air but if it is not it has been 5 or so months and they migh
180 Post contains links kanban : India has taken delivery of it's second P-8. The article has a picture http://boeing.mediaroom.com/Boeing-D...-Maritime-Patrol-Aircraft-to-India
181 Post contains links and images bikerthai : Short BBC video from Dubai Air show. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25006275 Not much to see on the inside, but some nice close-ups of the outside
182 Post contains images STUDEDAVE : Ours almost always looked like that when factory new... It takes a lot of time at sea to get them to look worse. StudeDave
183 Post contains links bikerthai : First P-8A deployment under way. http://news.yahoo.com/u-sends-submar...-amid-east-064511364--finance.html Save travel everyone . . . bt
184 Revelation : Interesting that six P-8s will be deployed.
185 BigJKU : Why? You figure it would be more or less? Just curious, I don't really have a feel for if that is a big number or a small one for something like this
186 Post contains images bond007 : Here is one doing practice approaches at St. Pete KPIE: Jimbo
187 DeltaMD90 : Why? Think that's a lot or little? It's about half the P-8 fleet On a different note, it's annoying to read all the articles on the P-8 deployment. T
188 Revelation : Neat! My mom is retired in FL and I find my way down there from time to time.. Yeah that's my thought - it's a large percentage of the fleet, pretty
189 DeltaMD90 : Well, they need their planes to do their mission. VP-30, VP-5, and VP-45 will have as many planes as they had a few months ago and they still have th
190 Post contains links infiniti329 : The USN are already deploying the P-8 to Japan http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2013/1...ew-reconnaissance-planes-to-japan/
191 Post contains links Revelation : Seems the Pentagon's weapons inspector is not impressed: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/...und-not-effective-for-mission.html Unfortunately the a
192 Post contains images bikerthai : At least they did not mention anything about the acoustic detection system (the actual system that detects submarine under water.
193 Post contains links Revelation : http://seattletimes.com/html/busines.../2022736676_boeingposeidonxml.html says: It sounds like everything is fixable. Another article said that the pl
194 kanban : I think this is one of those cases where you aren't 100% effective out of the box.. and are pushing the laboratory results. Heck if it were perfect ou
195 Post contains images bikerthai : But it will cost some $$$ Don't know if the search radar or the ESM system was one of those system. Either way, it will be more work for a few Engine
196 DeltaMD90 : From what I've heard, they made the P-8 operational rather quickly. P-8s are limited on many things (take off configurations, using RAs, etc) at the
197 Post contains links and images Devilfish : As expected, the RAAF order for eight P-8As was just confirmed..... http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...nfirms-a4-billion-p-8a-buy-396186/ Quote: "
198 Post contains links and images groover158 : Here's some pics that I took in Canberra today at Defence Establishment Fairbairn where they made the announcement of the RAAF's confirmation of eight
199 Post contains links and images groover158 : As an interesting aside, yesterday saw a RAAF Wedgetail, RAAF BBJ and USN P-8 together. Surely this is a first.
200 Post contains images bikerthai : The funding of the money is the one of the last step in the acquisition process for the Australian P-8. Most of the development was already done with
201 Revelation : Very nice - thanks!
202 kanban : Just realized this thread has gone over 4 years... what's the longest running aviation thread to date? Thanks for all the input over the years.
203 Stitch : And it's stayed active that entire time with regular posting every couple of weeks at maximum, as opposed to lying dormant for years and then being r
204 Revelation : Indeed, it's been a very enjoyable thread.
205 bunumuring : Hi groover158, What a great series of photos! Thanks for sharing. The one of the three 737models is my favourite, and the kind of photo I love to tak
206 KC135Hydraulics : I recently returned from two weeks at Andersen AFB, Guam, supporting C-17s, and I had the opportunity to watch a bunch of Navy P-8s operating out of t
207 Eskimotail : Thanks groover158 Those are some truly great photos. I wonder if you were able to capture a photo or 2 with the detail of the single P8 photos with t
208 Post contains links and images ha763 : The U.S. also has 3 distinct 737 variants currently in service. C-40A (737-700C) View Large View MediumPhoto © Mark McEwan C-40B/C (BBJ1) View Large
209 bikerthai : Is it an optical illusion? or does it seem like the P-8A is sitting nose up compared to the other two planes? bt
210 legs : I thought so too at first, but I wonder if the Wedgetail's surfboard exaggerates and skews how it looks.
211 stealthz : Compared the photos to some of my 737 shots and it does seem to be sitting a little high at the nose but that may be because it could be a little tai
212 Post contains links and images groover158 : Thanks Eskimotail! And thanks to all for your kind comments. Unfortunately I didn't capture just the two aircraft together. The best I could come up
213 Post contains images Revelation : Thank you for your service to this country. I bet Guam is an interesting place to be, for a day or so! You rule!
214 Post contains images bikerthai : Let's just say that if it is sitting nose high, then all I can say is that this would be a physical manifestation of a design concern early on the pr
215 Post contains images kanban : Wow, they finally did make a pole filter..
216 Post contains images Revelation : Wow, one has to be a serious nerd to get that joke!
217 Post contains links kanban : I see the government just ordered another batch of planes.. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing-wins-2-1-billion-222620670.html Wish they wouldn't ca
218 Post contains images Revelation : Ok it's me that is the nerd - I thought you were making an electrical engineering (poles and zeros) joke!
219 Post contains links bikerthai : So I was wondering why they replaced the P-3 with another P-8 for the MH370 search. http://www.latimes.com/world/worldno...0327,0,1718964.story#axzz2x
220 DeltaMD90 : I think they also have some crazy stuff in the back of the P-8. They probably want to test the new toy. Hopefully the replacement of the P-3 is much
221 Stitch : I would expect the P-8 can maintain a higher cruise speed so it can search more area in the same period of time.
222 bikerthai : I'm thinking the same thing. But the P-3 can loiter longer, thus you can stay out longer. Maybe with the higher speed to target, you can try to get t
223 SSTeve : Flight crew smaller, too. Though all personnel costs really are moot in the short-term.
224 DeltaMD90 : Does that include fuel? I am pretty sure they can carry more than $40,000 worth of fuel, but I'm not sure how much the fuel they use costs
225 Post contains links kanban : Two interesting articles about the P-8 and it's new radar pod. http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/exc...th-shadowy-radar-system-1562912667 http://www.bi
226 Post contains links and images Revelation : Yep, and the intriguing part of the foxtrot alpha article is: Regardless of the turf wars, it makes a lot of sense to me that a 'deep black' effort c
227 SSTeve : Slap that on a Wedgetail and tell the USAF you've got their E-8 and E-3 successor in one... that was the E-10, right?
228 Post contains images kanban : normally a E-8 plus a E-3 should be an E-11 however with congress and service turf wars it's going to equal a P-8 fortunately I retired before the P-
229 Post contains links Eskimotail : UK P8A success. http://jaxairnews.jacksonville.com/m...t-challenge-2014-winners-announced
230 kanban : I see another P-8I had first flight.. however since the line numbers are mixed in with the basic 737 frames, it's impossible to tell how many have bee
231 DeltaMD90 : On the US side I can't imagine it being more than in the low 20s. You have 3 operational squadrons, the training squadron, and the testing squadron. T
232 bikerthai : The last P-8I delivery was the fourth India Frame. The 5th and 6th are at pre-delivery. The 7th has flown over the hill. Not sure where the 8th is. A
233 Post contains links SSTeve : This was just in the local news: http://www.whidbeynewstimes.com/news/261860651.html 6 squadrons at Whidbey and 6 in Jacksonville. Kauai gets a perman
234 infiniti329 : Does the Navy plan a 1:1 replacement of the P-3s?
235 ha763 : They will be based at MCB Hawaii, which is on Oahu.
236 DeltaMD90 : No, I wanna say there are going to be 119 P-8s but I could be wrong. Don't forget, the Trident (UAV) is teaming up with the P-8 to replace the P-3. T
237 Post contains images SSTeve : Ya know, here I was congratulating myself for fixing that article's misspelling of Coronado as "Corondo" and I go and move things to the wrong island
238 Post contains links bikerthai : First deployment of P-8A is wrapping up. http://www.seapower-digital.com/seapower/may_june2014#pg42 Interesting reading. Specifically on how the P-8A
239 Post contains links kanban : for those who like numbers, that was number 14.. with 7 more due this year.. things are rolling!!! http://boeing.mediaroom.com/Boeing-U...me-Patrol-F
240 Post contains images bikerthai : Had to look around to find this. Not as nice as the 787 video . . . but you can't compare combat boots to Armani wing tips https://www.youtube.com/wat
241 kanban : nice learned the other day that when posting a video, go in and change the https: to just http: and it links properly
242 Post contains links Stitch : P-8A Air Show Performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQbYoBoRjQU
243 Revelation : Wonderful video - thanks!
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