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P-8A Status?  
User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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The first two aircraft flew last year, T2 just got a new radar (Boeing site news).. and a new torpedo for this application was announced at the Singapore Airshow (Flightglobal report). However there seems to be nothing on the web about the flight test status of these planes.

Is anybody following them?

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User currently offlineflybaurLAX From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I have no clue about the schedule of test flights or it's progress, but I saw it out on the ramp at Boeing Field yesterday on my approach to SEA from the jumpseat in a 737. I saw it next to a 787. I suppose if it's out there, it must be getting close to flying.


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User currently offlineflybaurLAX From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

So, I may have seen the wrong thing when I came in last weekend. I thought I saw the P-8, but I believe it would have had to fly from Renton to BFI in order to be there. I was at the Museum of Flight today, and saw 2 Turkish Air Force 737s there, so maybe these are the grey a/c I saw.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a156/zwitter345/DSC02152.jpg



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User currently offlineDrewski2112 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

The first P-8A is inside the BCA flight test hangar at Boeing field. It was out on the commercial airplanes flightline earlier last week with flight test instruments on the tail. It flew four or five times in October using the callsign "SCORE 85," but hasn't flown since.

The second and third (airworthy) P-8A's are inside the developmental centere hangar across the street from the Boeing military ramp. Both the second and third planes haven't flown since their first flights, which were in June and September, respectively. Currently, there are no airworthy P-8A's being assembled at Renton.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting flybaurLAX (Reply 2):
flybaurLAX

I don't see a USN P-8A in the pisture, or the Turkish AF B-737-AEW aircraft. That is a picture of the RAAF B-737-AEW-Wedgetail. It is carrying the FAA reg. N35BBJ, which I think is Wedgetail airplane #5. I don't recall this airplane flying yet, either.

Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 3):
Drewski2112

Both Boeing and the USN have been pretty quite about the P-8A flight test schedule. So, it is hard to say if the program is on schedule, or not.

But, I believe you are right, no P-8A has flown in several months now, and #2 and #3 have yet to fly their FF.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12336 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
#2 and #3 have yet to fly their FF.

I think you missed this:

Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 3):
Both the second and third planes haven't flown since their first flights, which were in June and September, respectively.

And if the A/C are at Boeing Field instead of Renton they had to fly at least once, no?



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 5):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
#2 and #3 have yet to fly their FF.

I think you missed this:

Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 3):
Both the second and third planes haven't flown since their first flights, which were in June and September, respectively.

And if the A/C are at Boeing Field instead of Renton they had to fly at least once, no?

Thanks, I did miss that, sorry.         


User currently offlineflybaurLAX From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
I don't see a USN P-8A in the pisture, or the Turkish AF B-737-AEW aircraft. That is a picture of the RAAF B-737-AEW-Wedgetail. It is carrying the FAA reg. N35BBJ, which I think is Wedgetail airplane #5. I don't recall this airplane flying yet, either.

Gotchya, there was the one (pictured), that I see now says RAAF, but there was one to the right of it yesterday that said Turkish Air Force. I didn't see these guys last weekend when I flew overhead jumpseating, but did see a darker grey, so possibly that was the P-8.



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 3):
The first P-8A is inside the BCA flight test hangar at Boeing field. It was out on the commercial airplanes flightline earlier last week with flight test instruments on the tail. It flew four or five times in October using the callsign "SCORE 85," but hasn't flown since.

The second and third (airworthy) P-8A's are inside the developmental centere hangar across the street from the Boeing military ramp. Both the second and third planes haven't flown since their first flights, which were in June and September, respectively. Currently, there are no airworthy P-8A's being assembled at Renton

thanks.. that's more than I could get from my ME contacts at Boeing..

Quoting flybaurLAX (Reply 7):
Gotchya, there was the one (pictured), that I see now says RAAF, but there was one to the right of it yesterday that said Turkish Air Force. I didn't see these guys last weekend when I flew overhead jumpseating, but did see a darker grey, so possibly that was the P-8.

The RAAF is an Australian Wedgetail... P-8's dont have that dorsal fin

Thanks again


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Apparently the USN P-8A #1 just completed a month long vibration test of the wing mounted weapons stores.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1077

[Edited 2010-02-16 04:55:41]

User currently offlineDrewski2112 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

YP003 (P-8A T2) was towed across East Marginal Way to the Boeing military ramp at 0400 PST this morning. I didn't see any noticeable external modifications from when I last saw it in June.

User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 8):
The RAAF is an Australian Wedgetail... P-8's dont have that dorsal fin

A remarkable success so far.


User currently offlineShmertspionem From India, joined Aug 2006, 453 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Does anyone have a pic of the actual radar that's being fitted on the P8? not the radar dome but the naked radar itself. Thanks.


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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4802 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting flybaurLAX (Reply 2):
So, I may have seen the wrong thing when I came in last weekend. I thought I saw the P-8, but I believe it would have had to fly from Renton to BFI in order to be there. I was at the Museum of Flight today, and saw 2 Turkish Air Force 737s there, so maybe these are the grey a/c I saw.

Yes there are some Turkish 737s but I think they are for VIP transport or something.
The 737 in the pic is the RAAF (Australian) Wedgetail... its an AWACS/Over the horizon radar type platform.



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User currently offlineEskimotail From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 36 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

In early Feb T-1 was outside at the North end of Boeing Field for about 12 hours. You probobly saw that one. It went immediatly back inside the big Boeing hangar at the North end of the field. A really close look would have revealed its underwing surprises.

P8A radar is APY-10.

This week T-1 and T-2 both relocated to the Military Flight Center and are basking outdoors there right now. They are side by side in stalls at the Military Flight Center.
One more (T-3) lurks close by, waiting for its oppurtunity to escape the build hangar. The 2 static test (S-1, S-2) birds are safely in their steel fixtures in Renton. There was a recent successful mile stone of 150 percent load.

Along side the 2 P8As at the South end, there is 1 Austrailian AEWC (Wedgetail) and 1 Turkish AEWC (Peace Eagle) in residence and both are flying regularly. There are occaisional visits of targets visiting the MFC ramp to support the AEWC testing. There are 5 additional Wedgetails currently in Austrailia, and 3 additional Peace Eagles in Turkey.

Of course there is the resident E3 AWACS that flys regularly, and the 757 flying test bed flying regularly.

The P8 is on schedule, and will have 3 full up models in flight testing shortly.

Ironicly since the P8s have moved outdoors, the P3 Orion training traffic at Boeing field has increased dramaticly. The Navy bubbas trying to glimpse the future, ya know.


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Heard T-1 Flew today (Apr 1) no joke.

User currently offlinedrewski2112 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 15):

Sure did. Left at 1600 with N416X and returned back to BFI at 1800. Terrible weather for both takeoff and landing. Here's my pic from yesterday:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/smartjunco/4483334680/

I heard it might be flying again on Monday.


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting drewski2112 (Reply 16):
Sure did. Left at 1600 with N416X and returned back to BFI at 1800. Terrible weather for both takeoff and landing. Here's my pic from yesterday:


Good picture, thanks..are you going to upload it to the A.net photo file

Also heard the the a/c will head to Patuxent River by the end of the month for formal flight test


User currently offlineEskimotail From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 36 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:

It will be in PAX river within a week.

User currently offlineDrewski2112 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

After a failed attempt yesterday due to weather conditions (for some reason they don't like to fly through clouds), T-1 left at 0645 PDT today for NHK. They were only cleared up to FL230.

User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6090 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 3):

I was up there last week (last Sat and Sun) and it was in fact out of the hanger. When my buddy and I were at the Museum it was parked facing to the north. It was completely surround with orange tape to prevent any un-welcomed guest. I didn't see much security, but I am sure it was there. Great looking wing on the P-8.



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User currently onlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:

Nice cutaway of the P-8A on Flightglobal.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?ItemID=33927



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User currently offlineDrewski2112 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

P-8A T-2 (cn 34396/2814) flew yesterday afternoon as "SCORE 97" on a BFI round robin. No chase planes like we saw with T-1's flights. This was T-2's first, and second ever, flight in literally a year (first flight was on 5 June 2009).

Rick Schlamp got a picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/65483667@N00/4667456207/


User currently offlineEskimotail From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 36 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

P8 no longer requires chase to fly. The ATC system can now handle P8 without chase. T1 is in Maryland, T2 going shortly, T3 in about a month. T4 is in Renton, on assy line 3.

User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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here is a press update

http://seattle.bizjournals.com/seatt.../2010/06/07/daily31.html?ana=yfcpc


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 25, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I am wondering if the success (so far) in the USN P-8A program actually reduces the risk on the proposed KC-767NG program?

User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 26, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 24):
here is a press update



Slight error with the report. T-2 took off and landed at Boeing Field. The take off from Renton was earlier in the year. T-4 airplane should be taking off from Renton for Boeing field pretty soon.

bikerthai



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 27, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

T-2 has moved to Pax River.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...0To%20Pax%20River%20Testing%20Site

bikerthai



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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (4 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Eskimotail (Reply 14):
at the South end, there is 1 Austrailian AEWC (Wedgetail) and 1 Turkish AEWC (Peace Eagle)

Could one of those be by any chance this South Korean AF "Peace Eye" AEWC aircraft?.....

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.....as it suddenly made its appearance seemingly without press release or anyone noticing previously.

The timing is quite in step with the current situation regarding the sunk RoKN submarine.



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 29, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 28):
Could one of those be by any chance this South Korean AF "Peace Eye" AEWC aircraft?.....

they are both Korean...note the Korean characters on he forward fuselage... and the aft logo is Korean


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 29):
they are both Korean...note the Korean characters on he forward fuselage... and the aft logo is Korean

It's the same airplane - I knew - I put the photos together. I was referring to Reply 14's description of the apron scene and inquiring if something was overlooked, and one of the AWACS might actually be RoKAF 06(?) 700 (N735JS).



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 31, posted (4 years 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 30):
It's the same airplane - I knew - I put the photos together. I was referring to Reply 14's description of the apron scene and inquiring if something was overlooked, and one of the AWACS might actually be RoKAF 06(?) 700 (N735JS).

sorry misread your question... I was over there late Feb and didn't see the Korean unit out on the field...


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (4 years 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 31):
sorry misread your question.

No problem.  



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 33, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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I have discovered that that is the only Korean Wedgetail to be modified in Seattle, the rest will be done in Korea from kits.

it's strange with all the whoop-la that some military programs seem to get, both the P-8 and the wedgetail stay under the radar (no pun intended)


User currently offlineN92R03 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 334 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Somewhat off topic but...

The hangar/simulator bay in Jacksonville is being built. Projected completion is about a year away.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 35, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Has the USN announced basing plans for the 108 P-8As, besides JAX?

User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 36, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 35):
Has the USN announced basing plans for the 108 P-8As, besides JAX?

Found this on the web
"From Defense Aerospace

P-8A Multi-Mission Maritime Aircraft Homebasing Announced
(Source: US Department of Defense; issued Jan. 02, 2009)

The Department of the Navy announced today its decision to provide facilities and functions to base five fleet squadrons of the P-8A Multi-Mission Maritime Aircraft (MMA) with a fleet replacement squadron (FRS) at Naval Air Station (NAS) Jacksonville, Fla., four fleet squadrons at NAS Whidbey Island, Wash., and three fleet squadrons at Marine Corps Base Hawaii Kaneohe Bay, Hawaii, with periodic squadron detachment operations at NAS North Island."

BTW, the interior of the P-8A looks pretty nice compared to the P-3 (age wear and tear not withstanding). And instead of a couple of fold up bunks for crew rest, you get a couple of lay flat seats. Don't know if they come with IFE.

bikerthai

[Edited 2010-07-09 11:59:53]


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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 37, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Boeing Commercial and Boeing Military have swapped some properties so the old Thompson site (previous life as 737 assembly and then propulsion division) will become the P-8 systems installation facility. Commercial got the Developmental Center and all the big autoclaves... will they make the 737 replacement fuselage there or components.

I think this closes the possibility of F-22 component manufacture.


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 38, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 37):
Commercial got the Developmental Center and all the big autoclaves... will they make the 737 replacement fuselage there or components.

Don't forget the big fiber placed machines. Having taken over the DC and all the composite capabilities there, it would lead one to conclude that Boeing Commercial is leaning toward a composite fuselage for 737 and the DC will be where it is developed. There is not enough space there for rate production.

Quoting kanban (Reply 37):
will become the P-8 systems installation facility

T-4 will head over there soon.

bikerthai



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7455 posts, RR: 3
Reply 39, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

How do those who will fly/operate the new aircraft view the move from the P3C?.

User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 40, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 39):
How do those who will fly/operate the new aircraft view the move from the P3C?.

I've heard they love the test vehicles... , and we're hoping the Royal Navy and Nato will buy a few..


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 41, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 39):
How do those who will fly/operate the new aircraft view the move from the P3C?

Well, they will get . . .

- a new lav
- a new galley
- lay flat crew rest seat instead of fold down cots
- large LCD screens  

bikerthai



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User currently offlineSHAQ From Panama, joined Jun 2007, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Can this a/c be refueled air-to-air ?

I hope the USAF buys also the Wedgetail 737



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User currently offlineEskimotail From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 36 posts, RR: 2
Reply 43, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting SHAQ (Reply 42):
Can this a/c be refueled air-to-air ?

Yes on recieving fuel as built right now, and conceptually eventually able to deliver fuel in the long term.

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 39):
How do those who will fly/operate the new aircraft view the move from the P3C?.

Test crews are ecstatic about it, they wish the SDD (system design and development) phase could be shrunk and get it in to the operational test and evaluation phase much sooner. Issues do exist, primarily with testing the mission profile which requires a 737 to do things nobody envisioned when the origional 737 design was put to paper, getting the bits and bites talking the same language in the mission system. Crew comfort is miles ahead of the P3, and the open architecture data systems allow mission, sensor, and weapons growth to occur with a data load rather than a complete redesign of the aircraft and consoles. T4 will be the first operational test unit, and as planned now will go to PAX River for operation by the 2 Navy test and evaluation squadrons for crew training and deveopment.

Recent anouncent of milestone "C" commits the Navy to two waves of LRIP (low rate initial production) production, with 7 airplanes per wave. LRIP 1 and 2 is where the first P8Is will appear. LRIP is where Boeing proves to the Navy that the production system can actually deliver the promised full rate.

Quoting SHAQ (Reply 42):
I hope the USAF buys also the Wedgetail 737

Imagine the Wedgetail MESA system on a P8. The article could support that with enough electricity and engineering investment


User currently offlineThePointblank From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 1677 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

On the subject of the P-8, it appears that the Indians want to add to their order. The Indians are planning an additional 4 P-8i's through exercising of an option for $1 billion dollars US.

User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 45, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Eskimotail (Reply 43):

Imagine the Wedgetail MESA system on a P8.


You would have to chose: Sonobuoy launchers/bomb bay or Mesa Radar. Both system will not fit in the back of the airplane.

Even if the Wedgetail can do what it was advertised to do, I heard that the US Air Force was not interested. I think the platform is too small. For a while, they were looking at a wide body aircraft to include both an airborne and ground search radar (E-10A plus a MESA type antenna on a non rotating disc). All of that was to be temporary anyway until the Air Force gets space based radar.

Boeing is pitching the P-8 variant with a ground search radar (similar to the Rivet Joint). Imagine a "Rivet Joint" aircraft with attack capability (bomb bay and wing pod)!

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User currently offlineDrewski2112 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

The fourth P-8A (cn 40594/3324) flew out of RNT today as BOE6A. This is the first production frame.

Here's a pic: http://www.flickr.com/photos/smartjunco/5095646346/


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 47, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 46):
This is the first production frame.

Correction. This aircraft is T-4; still a test aircraft. The next two T-5 and T-6 will also be test aircraft.

The first production frame will be LRIP 1: Low Rate Initial Production 1

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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 48, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 46):
first production frame.

Further clarification: They call T4 a "production representative test vehicle", not quite "production".

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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12336 posts, RR: 25
Reply 49, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 41):
Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 39):
How do those who will fly/operate the new aircraft view the move from the P3C?

Well, they will get . . .

- a new lav
- a new galley
- lay flat crew rest seat instead of fold down cots
- large LCD screens

bikerthai

And the pilots will get a logbook filled with 737 time, which will be damn nice thing to have if they are thinking about a nice post-military career with the airlines.



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User currently offlineDrewski2112 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 48):

Thanks. I was aware of the five frames, but I must have counted the static and fatigue frames.

I wonder if this will be the first P-8A to be worked at the Thompson site.


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 51, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 50):
I wonder if this will be the first P-8A to be worked at the Thompson site.


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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 52, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 50):
I wonder if this will be the first P-8A to be worked at the Thompson site
Quoting kanban (Reply 51):
actually I believe it is...

Confirmed. I saw pictures but they self destructed.   

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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 53, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Update:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/archives/225839.asp

"U.S. Navy Boeing P-8A Poseidon launches first sonobuoys"

"The P-8A launched six sonobuoys in three low altitude launches. "

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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 54, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Update:

See the new P-8A Assembly building

http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/archives/228190.asp

[i]The new building obviously wasn't purpose-built for the P-8. One giveaway is the extremely tight clearance between the vertical tail and ceiling and between the wings, walls and beams running down the middle of the plant.[/]

I heard they had to lift the power lines when they towed the plane across the street to the new plant. Also, they had to do some "special" things to get the plane through the hangar door.

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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 55, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting bikerthai (Reply 54):
The new building obviously wasn't purpose-built for the P-8.

Looks like the Thompson Site, smells like the Thompson Site, but having been home to the B-29???? that would be Plant II ... so where are we????

About unit number 80, they will bury the power lines... doing so beforehand would have been too efficient.


User currently offlineDrewski2112 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

The crossing from the airport to the Thompson site, based on Google earth, shows it at 114ft thanks to Hangar 89 that went up this summer. The 737NG wingspan is 118ft, while the P-8A w/ raked winglets is 124ft.
http://www.airliners.net/uf/41429/php8vZz0F.jpeg

As you can see from my very rough image above, they certainly did have to be creative! Looks like they took off the raked winglets in the PI picture, just like they did with the 747-8F when the moved that plane in the 3-390 bldg.

YP007 is due for a mid-December 2010 roll out at RNT. It probably won't fly until early February 2011 would be my guess.


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 57, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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The PI picture seems to imply this will be a moving line, are they bringing the birds in the back of the building? I didn't think there was room to come in that way...

Am still puzzled by the PI's statement that there were B-29's built in this building....


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 58, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 35):
Has the USN announced basing plans for the 108 P-8As, besides JAX?
Quoting bikerthai (Reply 36):
Found this on the web
"From Defense Aerospace

P-8A Multi-Mission Maritime Aircraft Homebasing Announced
(Source: US Department of Defense; issued Jan. 02, 2009)

The Department of the Navy announced today its decision to provide facilities and functions to base five fleet squadrons of the P-8A Multi-Mission Maritime Aircraft (MMA) with a fleet replacement squadron (FRS) at Naval Air Station (NAS) Jacksonville, Fla., four fleet squadrons at NAS Whidbey Island, Wash., and three fleet squadrons at Marine Corps Base Hawaii Kaneohe Bay, Hawaii, with periodic squadron detachment operations at NAS North Island."

A couple questions,

First is it 108 or 117, I've heard all along it will be 108 but now I'm reading 117;

Here are some articles referencing "117" P-8As

http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2009/06/01/daily63.html

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1360

Now even if you take the lower number, 108, the squadrons they've announced so far do not add up to 108 aircraft. They add up to about 78 aircraft. According to everything I've read they're going to have 6 aircraft per squadron;

http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/whidbey/wnt/news/37001564.html

So according to the Navy's basing decision they have plans for

4 squadrons at Whidbey Island (6 * 4 = 24 aircraft)
3 squadrons at Kanahoe Bay (6 * 3 = 18)
5+1 squadrons at Jacksonville (6 * 6 = 36 aircraft)

That's a total of 78 aircraft, obviously there's something missing;

Possible answers I've come up with:

The 117 (or 108) includes replacing the EP-3E, however it's not mentioned anywhere that they are replacing them with P-8s. The EP-3E replacement was a different program, even if you include the EP-3E replacement that's 11 aircraft (assuming a one for one replacement). That brings that 78 number to 89, but I'm still not convinced that the EP-3E replacement is part of this program order.

That brings me to my other thought;

That the additional aircraft not dedicated to squadrons already identified will be to reestablish reserve patrol squadrons, the reserve patrol squadrons of P-3s were disbanded around 2006/2007 due to the need to replace older active duty P-3 with lower cycle reserve aircraft. Prior to the Reserve squadrons being stood down there were 6 reserve patrol squadrons (1 Whidbey Island, 1 Point Mugu, 1 JRB New Orleans, 1 Jacksonville, 2 JRB Willow Grove). At 6 aircraft per squadron that 36 aircraft, add those possible 36 reserve aircraft to the 78 already identified and it brings us to 114 aircraft. More than the 108, but a little less than the 117 in the aforementioned articles.

Personally I would really like to believe that the Navy is indeed bringing back the Reserve Patrol Squadrons, the basing could be identical to the Reserve P-3 basing save Willow Grove. JRB Willow Grove is closing in 2011, the Navy/Marine Corps and Army Reserve aviation assets are moving to Joint Base McGuire/Dix/Lakehurst. The Navy's new mega hangar at McGuire is well underway, it should be completed by June.

The Navy could base their Reserve Patrol Squadrons as such;

1 Squadron Whidbey Island, 1 Squadron Point Mugu, 1 Squadron JRB New Orleans, 1 Squadron Jacksonville, 2 Squadrons Joint Base McGuire/Dix/Lakehurst.



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User currently offlineOzair From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 842 posts, RR: 1
Reply 59, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 58):
The 117 (or 108) includes replacing the EP-3E, however it's not mentioned anywhere that they are replacing them with P-8s. The EP-3E replacement was a different program, even if you include the EP-3E replacement that's 11 aircraft (assuming a one for one replacement). That brings that 78 number to 89, but I'm still not convinced that the EP-3E replacement is part of this program order.


Didn't the Navy recently announce that they would b e holding on to some P-3s as the P-8 hadn't been approved for special mission aircraft yet? I'm struggling to find the link but I am sure I saw it somewhere.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 58):
So according to the Navy's basing decision they have plans for

4 squadrons at Whidbey Island (6 * 4 = 24 aircraft)
3 squadrons at Kanahoe Bay (6 * 3 = 18)
5+1 squadrons at Jacksonville (6 * 6 = 36 aircraft)

That's a total of 78 aircraft, obviously there's something missing;

Would aircraft permanently based in the Middle East be included in this total?


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 60, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Ozair (Reply 59):
Would aircraft permanently based in the Middle East be included in this total?

There are no P-3s permanently based overseas, there are detachment bases that host squadrons rotated in from bases in the US. Overseas P-3 detachments are;

Naval Air station Sigonella, Italy
Naval Support activity Bahrain
Naval Support activity Qatar
Naval Support Activity Oman
Naval Air Field Misawa, Japan
Kadena AB, Japan
Hato IAP, Curacao
Comlapa AB, El Salvador

These overseas detachments have Navy patrol squadrons rotating in to maintain a constant presence, however the aircraft and crews are not permanently assigned to those bases.



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User currently offlineDrewski2112 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 57):

Am still puzzled by the PI's statement that there were B-29's built in this building....

From everything I've been told, the Thompson site was a purpose built factory for the 737 line. They started making 737's there in late 1967 and stopped in 1970 when they moved production over to RNT. It's been a Boeing laboratory until last year as I recall.

They may have been thinking of Boeing Renton's 4-20 bldg where they assembled B-29's, 707's, 727's, classic 737's and now P-8A's.


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 62, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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thought the B-29's were only from Plant II and the KC135s, 377/C97's were from Renton...

User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 63, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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interesting video
http://www.economicvindicator.com/20...pens-seattle-sub-killer-plant.html

moved from a duplicate post that will probably be removed...

Thanks to bjorn14 for finding it


User currently offlineDrewski2112 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Spirit Aerosystems is starting to make the first Indian Navy P-8I's fuselage:
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1548

In related news, I saw YP007's fuselage (US Navy P-8A T-5), on the Boeing train this morning.


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 65, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 58):
First is it 108 or 117, I've heard all along it will be 108 but now I'm reading 117;

I think the 117 is the result of 108 Production birds + 9 test frames.
The test frames include T1, through T8 and the static test bird.

But don't take my word as gospel.

bikerhai

[Edited 2010-12-07 15:15:35]

[Edited 2010-12-07 15:16:14]


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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 66, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 65):
I think the 117 is the result of 108 Production birds + 9 test frames.
The test frames include T1, through T8 and the static test bird.

Correction:

Flying Test frames are T1 through T6. S1 and S2 are static and fatigue frames. I think the Navy did not want the extra test frame and did select an old Southwest 737 for the live fire test.

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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 67, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Update:

"The P-8A Poseidon program has completed full-scale static testing"

"Although static testing is complete, the airframe still has work to do in support of the P-8 program. Beginning in September, the airframe will be reconfigured as a live-fire test article."

Read more: http://blogs.kansas.com/aviation/201...etes-static-testing/#ixzz1AvilRT5s

Is there more than one live fire frame?

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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 68, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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nice video of a touch and go plus a low pass at Paine Field from KPAE Blogspot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFQWNKS-ZhQ&feature=player_embedded


User currently offlinenjgtr82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 121 posts, RR: 1
Reply 69, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

There was one flying off the coast on NJ today on a flight from and back to Pax River this afternoon

User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12336 posts, RR: 25
Reply 70, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Seems the $$$ are flowing:

Seattle Times: Navy inks $1.6B contract for initial P-8 Poseidon production planes

In way of a program update:

Quote:

The fourth test airplane is having its military systems installed at a new P-8 line inside the old Thompson site building across Marginal Way from Boeing Field. The fifth test airplane arrived at Boeing Field from Renton on Saturday and will this week transfer to the Thompson site. The sixth flight test airplane is under assembly in Renton.

The first ground test airplane completed the static tests required for certification this month. In September, that plane will be refurbished and converted for use in live-fire target practice at Naval Air Warfare Center, China Lake, Calif.

Boeing is also assembling the first P-8 for the Indian Navy, which ordered eight of the jets. The Australian Navy is working closely with the U.S. Navy on the program and is also expected to order the P-8.


Sounds like good progress to me.

Hope she stays on track...



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 71, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 70):

Seattle Times: Navy inks $1.6B contract for initial P-8 Poseidon production planes

Here is the news release from the NAVY:

http://www.navair.navy.mil/newsrelea...x.cfm?fuseaction=home.view&id=4481

It included a nice photo of flare testing.

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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 72, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quote:
e U.S. Navy plans to purchase 117 production P-8A aircraft to replace its P-3 Fleet. IOC is planned for 2013 at NAS Jacksonville, Fla.

Again they're mentioning 117, not 108.

As quoted in reply 36;

five squadrons at Jacksonville
One fleet replacement squadron at Jacksonville
four squadrons at Whidbey Island
three squadrons at Kaneohe Bay

I've understood Patrol squadrons to be equipped with 7 aircraft, is that correct?.. If so 7 aircraft x 13 squadrons equals 91 aircraft. Leaving 26 aircraft unaccounted for, the only ideas I can come up with are;

9 aircraft squadrons (most likely), or reserve squadrons. Personally I wish they would maintain 7 aircraft per squadron, and add three reserve squadrons (Point Mugu, JRB New Orleans, Joint Base McGuire/Dix/Lakehurst).



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User currently offlinedahawaiian From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Basing Update:
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/2...ight_shift_more_jets_to_isles.html

Possibly 24 more P-8's for Kaneohe Bay? They might as well reopen NAS Barbers Point.


User currently offlineHimself From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I wonder if the Navy are planning to lend the extra P-8s to the Army for their ISR needs in Afghanistan or Iraq.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 75, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting dahawaiian (Reply 73):
Basing Update:
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/2...ight_shift_more_jets_to_isles.html

Possibly 24 more P-8's for Kaneohe Bay? They might as well reopen NAS Barbers Point.

The article's information is a bit confusing, I think as it stands now 117 P-8s are planned to deploy with 13 squadrons (3 Kaneohe Bay, 4 Whidbey Island, 6 Jacksonville). That's 9 aircraft per squadron.

Kaneohe Bay 3 squadrons = 27 P-8s
Whidbey ISland 4 Squadrons = 36 P-8s
Jacksonville 6 squadrons = 54 P-8s

I don't see where Kaneohe Bay could handle 63 P-8s, which is what a full redeployment from Whidbey Island to Kaneohe Bay would bring. I think what they could do, perhaps is indeed what the Navy is studying, would be to take the fourth squadron from Whidbey Island and deploy them out of Kaneohe Bay. 4 squadrons of 36 P-8s is reasonable for Kaneohe Bay considering one or two Squadrons will always be deployed to support detachments in Bahrain, Guam, Japan etc..



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 76, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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The first production unit enters Final Assembly..

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1654


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 77, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Himself (Reply 74):
I wonder if the Navy are planning to lend the extra P-8s to the Army for their ISR needs in Afghanistan or Iraq.

Lets hope that we are out of Afghanistan before that.

Personally I hope the Army/Airforce buy this instead:

Boeing Proposes EP-8 To Replace Jstars (by DEVILFISH Feb 20 2010 in Military Aviation & Space Flight)

But until then, you'd do better just to flood Afghanistan with a bunch of Scan Eagles or equivalent. It may be quicker, and cheaper.


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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 78, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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I'm hearing rumors that Boeing is about to erect some new manufacturing buildings in Renton... don't know if these are 737 (P-8) support or 787 or 767 tanker ...

[Edited 2011-03-09 23:24:20]

User currently offlineEskimotail From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 36 posts, RR: 2
Reply 79, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 78):
I'm hearing rumors that Boeing is about to erect some new manufacturing buildings in Renton... don't know if these are 737 (P-8) support or 787 or 767 tanker

These are primarily to support 737 production rate increases....


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 80, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 33):
I have discovered that that is the only Korean Wedgetail to be modified in Seattle, the rest will be done in Korea from kits.

The first South Korean Peace Eye had flown.....

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Photo © David Lednicer


I assume that protrusion under the tail to be the sensor that will provide rearward coverage?



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 81, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 80):
I assume that protrusion under the tail to be the sensor that will provide rearward coverage?

Yes, but not part of the MESA radar system. If you have a Hi Res copy of flight international cut away poster, it will tell you what that system is. My copy is too fuzzy.

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User currently offlineBeiaard From United States of America, joined May 2011, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 82, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Being from Jacksonville, the hum of those Allison T56s and big Hamilton Standard props are like a mother's lullaby to me. That said, I'm excited for the EIS of the P-8. Anybody know the exact date (or window) for the first arrivals to NAS Jax, and to what squadron it will be delivered?
Also, how are they doing the training for them? Sims, I presume, but are there simulators at, for instance, NAS Jax and Kaneohe Bay, or are the future pilots having to go to Renton or otherwise to learn to fly these new machines?



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 83, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

A small peek into the P-8A Military Line. This is where the mission equipment are installed after BCA delivers the aircraft from Renton to Boeing Field.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...hnology/2015268892_loboeing09.html

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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 84, posted (3 years 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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first production A/C completed first flight -- link has picture

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1844

now we're cooking..


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12336 posts, RR: 25
Reply 85, posted (2 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Beiaard (Reply 82):
Anybody know the exact date (or window) for the first arrivals to NAS Jax, and to what squadron it will be delivered?

According to kanban's link:

Quote:

Boeing will deliver LRIP-1 to the Navy next year in preparation for initial operational capability, which is planned for 2013.

"This is the first P-8 that will go directly to the fleet in Jacksonville, Fla., so the aircraft's first flight is an important milestone for the Boeing team and our Navy customer," said Chuck Dabundo, Boeing vice president and P-8 program manager. "We're on plan to get LRIP-1 to the Navy in 2012."



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 86, posted (2 years 10 months 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Matt has captured video of the first Indian P-8I in flight test. http://kpae.blogspot.com/ Good to see this baby in the air and I must admit I thought they were smoking something when the schedules were released.

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Reply 87, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Radar and combat systems tests conducted.....

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...s-tests-at-sea-with-destroyer.html

Quote:
"ATLANTIC OCEAN --- On Sept. 15, the bridge watch team aboard the guided-missile destroyer USS Laboon (DDG 58) watches as a P-8A Poseidon executes low level surveillance rigs at 500 feet with a speed of more than 300 knots.

This is the first coordinated test evaluation and training conducted between a surface ship and the new anti-submarine warfare (ASW) platform on the East Coast.

Laboon crewmembers had control of the Poseidon for four hours providing safety of flight and a point of reference as they conduct radar and combat systems testing. The testing was part of establishing a maximum target detection range of various radar modes against a surface combatant."



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User currently offlineEskimotail From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 36 posts, RR: 2
Reply 88, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Now it can sting.....

http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2011/...idon-launches-first-mk-54-torpedo/


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 89, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

India to aquire 12 more P-8I

http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=123898

"At a later date, it was planned to acquire 12 more P-8Is for offshore surveillance and protection of the Indian waters and interests, bringing the total to 24, Verma added."

They must like what they see coming out of PAX River.   

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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 90, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Well the first operational one has now been delivered to the Navy http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/n...-first-p-8a-to-navy.html?ana=yfcpc

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2158

Maybe Bikerthai can shed some light on it's meeting cost and schedule.. it was close and the fact that the Boeing blurb doesn't specifically address it may only mean they are measuring only the initial contract completion numbers and we'll only know when #13 is delivered how they performed.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12336 posts, RR: 25
Reply 91, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 89):
India to aquire 12 more P-8I

Interesting context surrounding the order:

Quote:

Hitherto, the Indian Navy has been using old, Soviet-vintage maritime reconnaissance aircraft. But, after the 26/11 terror attack on Mumbai, the government cleared the first eight P-8Is within three months of the horror. Four more were cleared earlier this year.

...

Verma said that the P-8I is the most advanced LRMR platform with a capability to observe even small boats and destroy hostile submarines. India is the first export customer for this aircraft, and the advantage is that India will benefit from the hi-tech systems being developed for the US Navy, which has ordered 117 aircraft.

Ok, it can observe small boats like the terrorists used, but how would it stop them? A Harpoon would seem to be overkill. I suppose it could just do surveillance till a more suitable craft arrived on the scene.

In any case, it's a great asset to have. It's not like the US taxpayers didn't get their money's worth out of the P3s!



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User currently onlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 538 posts, RR: 1
Reply 92, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 56):
As you can see from my very rough image above, they certainly did have to be creative! Looks like they took off the raked winglets in the PI picture, just like they did with the 747-8F when the moved that plane in the 3-390 bldg.


Ya i know its a little late... But... talking about clearances with the P-8...

At Pax River, they had to cut the doors of the hangar so they could fit two P-8's in the hangar at once. So when two are in, one is fully inside while the other has its empennage outside the hangar.



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 93, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 91):
Ok, it can observe small boats like the terrorists used, but how would it stop them?

Hopefully they will eventually be able to deploy SDBII which would work well against slow moving boats. For the faster boats, you can always do a low buzz and let the jet wash flip them over.  

As Boeing is pitching the P-8 Variant to the Air Force for Rivet Joint replacement, I'm sure they can configure the aircraft for a variety of smaller weapons for smaller targets.

bt



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 94, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 75):
The article's information is a bit confusing, I think as it stands now 117 P-8s are planned to deploy with 13 squadrons (3 Kaneohe Bay, 4 Whidbey Island, 6 Jacksonville). That's 9 aircraft per squadron.

Kaneohe Bay 3 squadrons = 27 P-8s
Whidbey ISland 4 Squadrons = 36 P-8s
Jacksonville 6 squadrons = 54 P-8s

I don't see where Kaneohe Bay could handle 63 P-8s, which is what a full redeployment from Whidbey Island to Kaneohe Bay would bring. I think what they could do, perhaps is indeed what the Navy is studying, would be to take the fourth squadron from Whidbey Island and deploy them out of Kaneohe Bay. 4 squadrons of 36 P-8s is reasonable for Kaneohe Bay considering one or two Squadrons will always be deployed to support detachments in Bahrain, Guam, Japan etc..

I know it probably won't happen but what about NAS North Island? With the S-3 Vikings gone there's open space and there already is a VR squadron that operates out of NI. Like I said though, probably won't happen.


User currently offlineStudeDave From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 484 posts, RR: 0
Reply 95, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 94):
I know it probably won't happen but what about NAS North Island? With the S-3 Vikings gone there's open space and there already is a VR squadron that operates out of NI. Like I said though, probably won't happen.

It has been over three years since I retired and left NAS North Island, but before I left I visited a few friends who where standing up some of the new 'HSM' squadrons. They were taking over the hangers left empty by the VS guys.

But there's no doubt you'll see these new birds in the skys around the base-
the P3 detachments were always in and out of there...



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 96, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting StudeDave (Reply 95):
It has been over three years since I retired and left NAS North Island, but before I left I visited a few friends who where standing up some of the new 'HSM' squadrons. They were taking over the hangers left empty by the VS guys.



Your info is more up to date than mine still. I got out almost twenty years ago! Guess it would make little sense to have three bases on the west coast with P-8's and only one on the east. Unless they decide to close Whidbey Island.


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 97, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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I thought I heard a second operational unit has now been delivered to the Navy.. can anyone confirm

User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 98, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 97):
I thought I heard a second operational unit has now been delivered to the Navy.. can anyone confirm

Please clarify.

LRIP1-1 was delivered to the Navy earlier this month. They just had the "official" ceremony this week.

Don't think LRIP1-2 have flown to JAX yet. I could be wrong.

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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 99, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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LRIP1-1 delivered 3-6 don't know the line number, then line 2931 was reported flown to Elgin 3-20... maybe that isn't a delivery...

User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 100, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 99):
2931

Line 2931 is one of the early test planes. Probably went to Elgin to do some joint exercise or something.

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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 101, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting bikerthai (Reply 100):


do you have a list of the test line numbers and the first say 10 LRIP line numbers.. would help me keep them straight.


User currently offlineDrewski2112 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 102, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

As of 31 March 2012:

United States Navy test frames:
YP001 - BuNo 167951 (cn 34394/2599). First flight 15 April 2009.
YP003 - BuNo 167953 (cn 34396/2814). First flight 05 June 2009
YP004 - BuNo 167954 (cn 34397/2931). First flight 29 September 2009.
YP006 - BuNo 167952 (cn 40594/3324). First flight 18 October 2010.
YP007 - BuNo 167955 (cn 40595/3426). First flight 22 January 2011.
YP008 - BuNo 167956 (cn 40596/3522). First flight 23 April 2011.

Test frames which will never fly:
YP002 - (cn 34395/2722) Static test frame.
YP005 - (cn 34398/3069) Fatigue test frame.

United States Navy production frames:
YP009 - BuNo 168428 (cn 40808/3612). First flight 07 July 2011.
YP010 - BuNo 168429 (cn 40809/3792). First flight 20 December 2011.
YP011 - BuNo 168430 (cn 40810/3879). First flight 28 March 2012.
YP012 - BuNo [TBA] (cn 40811/3916). First flight due for late April 2012.

Indian Navy production frames:
YP201 - IN320 (cn 40610/3702). First flight 28 September 2011.

[Edited 2012-03-31 22:08:29]

User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 103, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 102):
As of 31 March 2012:


Thanks

I was forwarded some P-8 news articles that might be of interest.. I realize that a program on schedule and on budget with no major systems problems is boring to A.netters.. so bear with me.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content...AS-Jax/ZpKYgdLnMkWq8YrKmns_8Q.cspx

http://www.news4jax.com/news/P-8-air...5880/9740454/-/17f17e/-/index.html

video http://www.news4jax.com/news/P-8-air...S-Jax/-/475880/9740454/-/17f17e/-/

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2...e-patrol-aircraft-jacksonville-nas


User currently offlineBeiaard From United States of America, joined May 2011, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 103):
I was forwarded some P-8 news articles that might be of interest.. I realize that a program on schedule and on budget with no major systems problems is boring to A.netters.. so bear with me.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content...AS-Jax/ZpKYgdLnMkWq8YrKmns_8Q.cspx

http://www.news4jax.com/news/P-8-air...5880/9740454/-/17f17e/-/index.html

video http://www.news4jax.com/news/P-8-air...S-Jax/-/475880/9740454/-/17f17e/-/

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2...e-nas
Quoting kanban (Reply 103):
I was forwarded some P-8 news articles that might be of interest.. I realize that a program on schedule and on budget with no major systems problems is boring to A.netters.. so bear with me.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content...AS-Jax/ZpKYgdLnMkWq8YrKmns_8Q.cspx

http://www.news4jax.com/news/P-8-air...5880/9740454/-/17f17e/-/index.html

video http://www.news4jax.com/news/P-8-air...S-Jax/-/475880/9740454/-/17f17e/-/

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2...e-nas

Thanks for the links. I'll keep an eye on the sky next time I'm home in hopes of seeing one...at the same time, though, I know I'll miss the chest-vibrations that you get when four of those big honkin' Allisons fly right over you. Growing up in Jacksonville, that sensation became something akin to mother's milk.   



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User currently onlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 538 posts, RR: 1
Reply 105, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Well now that it's finally public information, the p-8 has been at RAF Lossiemouth in Scotland for the last week and will be there till next Saturday as part of the 2012 Exercise Joint Warrior. Ship 956 from VX-1, The Pioneers, is the one that went.

It's my brothers squad and he is heading the maintenance for the trip.

Pictures
http://www.airplane-pictures.net/news.php?p=1122

The P-8 will also be found outside of the US again in the June-July time frame in a P-3 country.



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 106, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Nice post flightsimer, enjoyed the pictures..

User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12336 posts, RR: 25
Reply 107, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 106):
Nice post flightsimer, enjoyed the pictures..

  

Recent article from FG: US Navy to start P-8 operational tests in the summer

Also has a good overview of what is coming up in Increment 2:

Quote:

The first major upgrade will be Increment 2, but that effort has been split into two parts, says Boeing's P-8 business development director David Robinson. The incremental upgrade is being developed with Australian participation.

The first part of that effort is to equip the aircraft with a new Multi-static Active Coherent (MAC) system, which has been accelerated to be fielded in fiscal year 2014. That will enable the fast, high-flying aircraft to search for enemy submarines over a much larger area with a network of active and passive sonar buoys.

"The major focus is on the anti-submarine warfare," Robinson says. "MAC is a major portion of Increment 2."

The other part of the Increment 2 upgrade includes the Automatic Identification System, which would allow the P-8 to read ships' transponders, plus a new computer architecture to rapidly add new capabilities, a new tactical operations centre (TOC), and a high-altitude anti-submarine warfare (ASW) system.

The high-altitude ASW system, which is a collection of sonar buoys, would enable the P-8 to take a closer look at "areas of interest" generated by the MAC, Robinson says. "You'd be able do both [MAC and high-altitude ASW] at the same time," he says.

It's not clear to me, however, what the difference between MAC and high-level ASW are. Both seem to involve monitoring a network of sonobouys.



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 108, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 107):

It's not clear to me, however, what the difference between MAC and high-level ASW are.


From:
http://www.navair.navy.mil/index.cfm...AEF3CE-30B0-4C3D-829C-50FEF3A301F3


Multi-Static Active Coherent (MAC)

MAC is the third generation of multi-static active acoustic search systems to be developed under the Multi-statics Family of Systems. MAC brings coherent acoustic source technology (SSQ-125) and improved signal processing to the air multi-static active ASW mission set. The coherent pulses or series of pulses provide waveform flexibility including Doppler-speed sensitive and frequency modulated (FM)-clutter suppressing capabilities. The MAC program will also provide updated tactical and mission software on the P-3C AIP, an updated Mission Planning Tool (MPT), an updated Ground Replay System, updated TacMobile products (SPAWAR), and an updated Tactical Operational Readiness Trainer (TORT).

High Altitude Anti-Submarine Warfare (HAASW)

HAASW integrates new & modify existing sensors to enhance the P-8A capability to conduct ASW at altitudes up to FL250 and higher. Real time data will be used to update onboard Mission Planning Tools (MPT) for non-acoustic sensor optimization and Tactical Decision Aids (TDAs) for accurate sonobuoy release points.
Sonobuoy modifications include integrating GPS for precise sonobuoy positional information and a digital uplink/downlink for Radio Frequency Interference (RFI) management. New sensors include a Meteorological Sensing Device, (dropsonde) for sensing atmospheric conditions from the aircraft altitude to the surface."


So, MAC is the type of sensor and HAASW is the system to operate at high altitude.

That begs the question . . . how long would it take for a sonobuoy dropped from up high to hit the water?

bt



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12336 posts, RR: 25
Reply 109, posted (2 years 3 months 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 108):
That begs the question . . . how long would it take for a sonobuoy dropped from up high to hit the water?

Skydivers use 54 meters/sec as an estimate for terminal velocity, so a 10,000m fall (32.8 k feet) would take 185 seconds, a tad more than three minutes.

And no guarantee it will fall straight down, which I suppose is also one reason for the "Tactical Decision Aids (TDAs) for accurate sonobuoy release points" mentioned above.



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 110, posted (2 years 3 months 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 109):

Skydivers use 54 meters/sec as an estimate for terminal velocity, so a 10,000m fall (32.8 k feet) would take 185 seconds, a tad more than three minutes.

Are you using the pone position or the dive position?

So if in a clean configuration (no chutes) the buoys would travel at 100+ m/s then it would take about 1-2 minutes to hit the water (they probably would have to deploy some sort of air brakes prior to entry). I guess it's not so bad. . .

Remember those WWII news reels? How long did it take from bomb release to impact?

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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12336 posts, RR: 25
Reply 111, posted (2 years 3 months 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 110):
Are you using the pone position or the dive position?

I'm using a SWAG!  
Quoting bikerthai (Reply 110):
Remember those WWII news reels? How long did it take from bomb release to impact?

Yep, it was amazing to see not how long they took to fall, but also how unstable they were.



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User currently offlineBeiaard From United States of America, joined May 2011, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 109):
Skydivers use 54 meters/sec as an estimate for terminal velocity, so a 10,000m fall (32.8 k feet) would take 185 seconds, a tad more than three minutes.

I'm an arts and humanities type, so don't mistake this for questioning your knowledge, but wouldn't that terminal velocity only be valid for something shaped like a human?



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 113, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Beiaard (Reply 112):
I'm an arts and humanities type, so don't mistake this for questioning your knowledge, but wouldn't that terminal velocity only be valid for something shaped like a human?

Your intuition is correct . . .

And as an Engineering Term WAG is "Wild Ass Guess" and a SWAG is just a "Scientific Wild Ass Guess"

Finally looked it up. 54m/s is with arms and legs straight out. Tucked in and vertical, the velocity is about 76m/s.

So the 1-2 minutes estimate is probably "in the ball park"

bt



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User currently onlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 538 posts, RR: 1
Reply 114, posted (2 years 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Well VX-1 and their P-8 was out of the country again last month in the southern hemisphere but has since returned.

But right now they are a deployment again, only this time out in Hawaii for the 2012 RIM PAC exercise. Most likely they are operating out of Kaneohe Bay which appears to be where the Australian P-3s and Wedgetail along with other nations P-3s are stationed.

My poor brother is living a hard life with all this traveling...       So far this year he has been out of the country or away from home for about 3 months cumulative now in exotic or fun places...

Edit: Found a pic http://www.flickr.com/photos/compacf...54395760/in/set-72157630428569900/

[Edited 2012-07-17 21:27:33]

Both P-8s are from VX-1. So that's their entire P-8 fleet.


[Edited 2012-07-17 21:34:45]


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User currently offlineJayinKitsap From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 769 posts, RR: 1
Reply 115, posted (2 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 113):
Your intuition is correct . . .

And as an Engineering Term WAG is "Wild Ass Guess" and a SWAG is just a "Scientific Wild Ass Guess"

Finally looked it up. 54m/s is with arms and legs straight out. Tucked in and vertical, the velocity is about 76m/s.

So the 1-2 minutes estimate is probably "in the ball park"

bt

I think it depends on shape and density. There is a given air drag for a body, once that Force = mg there is no more acceleration and down she goes. I would actually guess in the 3 to 5 min range as it would want to slow down a lot before hitting the water. Wouldn't want it to go 100' into the water, nor do a 20g impact with 'delicate' electronics followed by a leaking case.


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 116, posted (2 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 114):

Posted it before and will post again . . . Please keep us updated. It's good to hear what's going on with the P-8 from more than the "official" sources.

At least we are not hearing much about not being able to deploy because of some mechanical malfunction.   

Quoting JayinKitsap (Reply 115):
I would actually guess in the 3 to 5 min range as it would want to slow down a lot before hitting the water.

You would think there would be a parachute/drag chute involved. Question is if the chute is deployed all the time or only at the appropriate altitude.  

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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 117, posted (2 years 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Does anybody know how many have been completed through outfitting and delivered?

User currently offlinespudh From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 118, posted (2 years 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting JayinKitsap (Reply 115):
I think it depends on shape and density.

Ahem, density has nothing to do with it save for surface area exposed to friction. Remember a cannonball will fall at the same speed as a feather in a vacuum. One of Galileo's discoveries IIRC 


User currently offlineEskimotail From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 36 posts, RR: 2
Reply 119, posted (2 years 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 117):
Does anybody know how many have been completed through outfitting and delivered?

Completed P8s
3 Instrumented Flight Test Aircraft to the Integrated Test Team at PAX River
3 full up IOTE aircraft to VX-1 at PAX River
2 full up operational aircraft to VX-30 at Jacksonville

Also:
Why does a sonobouy have to free fall? Google "compressed carriage" to get an idea of just how far a sonobouy could travel before entering the water.


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 120, posted (2 years 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Eskimotail (Reply 119):
Why does a sonobouy have to free fall?

Unless you have propulsion, free fall would be the fastest way to get to the water surface in order to more quickly activate the sensors.

As for adding propulsion to the bouy's? Well there's a matter of having fuel in side the crew cabin, as that is where the bouy's are stored.

From such a high altitude, the bouy probably will have some GPS guidance to make sure they fall in to a pattern you want them to fall.

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User currently offlineStudeDave From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 484 posts, RR: 0
Reply 121, posted (2 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Eskimotail (Reply 119):
2 full up operational aircraft to VX-30 at Jacksonville

Is that supposed to say "VP-30"?



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User currently offlineEskimotail From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 36 posts, RR: 2
Reply 122, posted (2 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting StudeDave (Reply 121):
Is that supposed to say "VP-30"?

Yes, indeed VP-30, yikes

This represents a typical profile used for ASW work, all done at less than 1,000 AGL.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B.../20120713/2300Z/KBFI/KBFI/tracklog

If you could do that with one pass at 20K plus, all the risks go way down.

Batteries eliminate the fuel problem, but it doesn't need to loiter, just travel. Compressed carriage was patented in 1994, so been around awhile.

They already have the potential for having several hundred pounds of high explosives in the cabin. a small quantity of heavy fuel or a hydrogen fuel cell would be of small additional concern and easily mitigated.


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 123, posted (2 years 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Eskimotail (Reply 122):

Batteries eliminate the fuel problem, but it doesn't need to loiter, just travel

  

Quoting Eskimotail (Reply 122):

They already have the potential for having several hundred pounds of high explosives in the cabin.

I'm pretty sure you are not talking about the bomb bay. Other than the oxygen tanks and the aerial refueling lines, I don't know what other explosive/flammable/volatile item in the cabin.

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User currently onlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 538 posts, RR: 1
Reply 124, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Eskimotail (Reply 119):

VX-20 is the first squad.

Though unless it's been delivered since April, I didn't think VX-1 had the third yet. I thought my brother said they only had 2 but I could be mistaking.



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 125, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 124):
I thought my brother said they only had 2 but I could be mistaking.

There is a little confusion in terminology. One of the test frame was delivered with full configuration and will not return to Boeing for re-furb. I'm not sure if this frame went to PAX or JAX.

There was a recent delivery within the last two weeks. I believe that will make 2 LRIP frames and 1 (maybe 2?) test frame "delivered".

The other frames that are/were at PAX will be re-furbed once the test program is completed and re-delivered later. I'm not sure if they will keep any frame in permanent test configuration for future development.

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User currently offlineEskimotail From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 36 posts, RR: 2
Reply 126, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 123):
I'm pretty sure you are not talking about the bomb bay. Other than the oxygen tanks and the aerial refueling lines, I don't know what other explosive/flammable/volatile item in the cabin.

Some Sonobouy species contain 8 pounds of class A explosives. These are carried in the cabin just like all the others.

I can Guarantee there are 6 assigned to PAX and 2 in JAX. The 3 IOTE birds in PAX can be sent to JAX to fill in as training assets and deploy around the world to wave Poseidons flag. 1 has already come back to Seattle for minor refurb.

3 flight test aircraft fully instrumented conducting the testing for systems and flight characteristics. Remember that none, zero, nada of the "737" flight test data generated over the last 40 plus years is transferable to the Navy. The Integrated Test Team using T1 thru T3 are conducting an entire "737" flight test program from scratch to 2012 standards, as if it was an all new airplane.

3 IOTE aircraft (T4-T6) are used by Navy VX 1 in PAX to train and develop tactics and procedures. These airplanes can hit some test points but are limited by a lack of an instrumentation package. These are the ones that are making the world tour and attending every exercise they can.

2 LRIP aircraft in JAX are assigned to the fleet training squadron and are used to train maintenance and flight crew for the future assignments.

There will always be a handful of P8s assigned to test and development at PAX, even today there are at least a dozen P3 assigned to those roles in PAX. Every new thought on maritime patrol and warfare gets installed and tested on at least 1 airframe. There will be at least 1 airframe of the T1-T3 series that will be fatigued out at the end of its test life.


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 127, posted (1 year 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Eskimotail (Reply 126):

Just to supplement Eskimotail's summary, P-8I airframe 1 will be doing ordinance dropping test this summer. Expect to see it take off from Boeing field with test ordinance on the hardpoints. Good luck to all the spotters out there. . .

I think the range they will be using is in Canada?

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User currently onlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 538 posts, RR: 1
Reply 128, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Eskimotail (Reply 126):

Thanks, so was the third p-8 delivered to VX-1 prior to April or was it only more recently?

AS for RIMPAC, it is finishing up this week and the planes should be back in PAX River by the end of the weekend.



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User currently offlineblrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1414 posts, RR: 3
Reply 129, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Check out some pics of the P8-I ordered by India here : http://livefist.blogspot.com/2012/07...p-close-with-indian-navy-p-8i.html

It is scheduled to be delivered in 2013. India might go in for a follow-through order



[Edited 2012-08-01 20:16:28]

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Reply 130, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting flightsimer (Reply 105):
The P-8 will also be found outside of the US again in the June-July time frame in a P-3 country.

That big island between New Zealand & Madagascar.. made a splashy PR visit to the capital then on to the West coast to see how effective it was at it's "day job".
Can't comment on how well it did.. details of it's performance are understandably difficult to find in the public domain.



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User currently offlineBigJKU From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 875 posts, RR: 11
Reply 131, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

The P-8 should really represent a major leap in capability for anyone who buys it, particularly in the Pacific with its wide spaces. It will have a massive supply of cheap replacement parts for the most part. It really is a platform optimized for the Pacific though. I can't see a lot of them moving in Europe where refitted P-3's would frankly do most people just as well as a P-8.

User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 132, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting BigJKU (Reply 131):
refitted P-3's would frankly do most people just as well as a P-8.

Well, a 75 Toyota can probably do just as well as a 2010 Honda on my reuglar commute. Good luck trying to find spare parts for that 75 Toyota.  

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User currently offlineBigJKU From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 875 posts, RR: 11
Reply 133, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 132):
Well, a 75 Toyota can probably do just as well as a 2010 Honda on my reuglar commute. Good luck trying to find spare parts for that 75 Toyota.

bt

That is why I said Europe. A fair number of them have P-3's already. There will be a lot going to the boneyard from the US from which they could draw parts. Since they will operate a few dozen collectively, if that many, the parts from 150 operational US units should keep them running for quite a while.

About the only alternative is to buy P-8's.


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 134, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting BigJKU (Reply 133):
There will be a lot going to the boneyard from the US from which they could draw parts. Since they will operate a few dozen collectively, if that many, the parts from 150 operational US units should keep them running for quite a while..

And the replacement parts from the US frames will have how many cycles left in them when they are retired? You would think the US P-3 would have fewer cycles left than those in Europe.

Quoting BigJKU (Reply 133):
About the only alternative is to buy P-8's.

There are some cheaper (though less capable) alternative(s).
Boeing is pitching to P-8 to Europe and Middle East.

EADS is offering their own A320 version (though it is not any where near the development curve as the P-8).

bt



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User currently offlineBigJKU From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 875 posts, RR: 11
Reply 135, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 134):
There are some cheaper (though less capable) alternative(s).
Boeing is pitching to P-8 to Europe and Middle East.

EADS is offering their own A320 version (though it is not any where near the development curve as the P-8).

Yeah, the alternatives really don't impress me all that much.

I think the A320 version is pie in the sky. Not nearly enough user base to make it happen with the US, India and Australia (they will confirm fairly soon) already out of the picture and Japan having a domestic option. If Japan's program goes bottoms up (a remote possibility but it was not going great last I heard) they would be almost sure to order P-8's themselves as well for commonality sake.

If you could line all of Europe up behind an A320 it might get done but most are running very small patrol fleets now. If you went back to 80% of the Cold War numbers you could pay for development. The British used to operate 30-40 aircraft in this role. They were eventually going to operate around a dozen had they built the MRA4. That won't really cut it to get a development program done. Other European units have faced similar cutbacks.


User currently offlineEskimotail From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 36 posts, RR: 2
Reply 136, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

HEADS UP

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE201

P8I #1 left BFI 08/02 2012 with full load of stores under is wings. Might be some great photos avail when it comes back


User currently offlineThePointblank From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 1677 posts, RR: 0
Reply 137, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting BigJKU (Reply 131):
The P-8 should really represent a major leap in capability for anyone who buys it, particularly in the Pacific with its wide spaces.

Somewhat, if they are already a P-3 operator. The P-8's current sensors and systems are mostly recycled or derived from the latest P-3 Blocks.

However, the P-8 has way more room for expandability and upgrades down the line so yes, in the future, it will be a major leap in capability.


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 138, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting ThePointblank (Reply 140):
The P-8's current sensors and systems are mostly recycled or derived from the latest P-3 Blocks.

Right now, the most obvious increase in systems capabilities lies in the mission computing which is the natural result of using newer chips and processors.

The next major technology to be incorporated will be the surface search radar that will allow for the P-8 to perform functions similar to the Air Force Rivet Joint aircraft.

bt



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 139, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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I started this thread about 2 1/2 years ago to track this plane remotely (having retired) and wish to thank all those who have kept it updated, especially bikerthai and eskimotail.

User currently offlineBigJKU From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 875 posts, RR: 11
Reply 140, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting ThePointblank (Reply 140):
Somewhat, if they are already a P-3 operator. The P-8's current sensors and systems are mostly recycled or derived from the latest P-3 Blocks.

The big update to me is the ability of the P-8 to operate effectively in the Pacific much more so than the P-3 due to its ability to get out to a station quickly and then patrol there. It should work better with the long-range detection assets (SURTASS and SOSUS) as it should be able to respond to a necessary patrol area more quickly and then cover more space in a given time once it gets there to conduct the prosecution.

The P-3 was a great aircraft to work in the Atlantic in general and the GIUK gap in particular. The P-8 should provide very good service in the Pacific that the P-3 really can't match.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12336 posts, RR: 25
Reply 141, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 142):
I started this thread about 2 1/2 years ago to track this plane remotely (having retired) and wish to thank all those who have kept it updated, especially bikerthai and eskimotail.

And thank you for starting it!

I too am enjoying the thread.

It's nice to see a military/aerospace project track right to what it's supposed to track to.

It's a cool looking airframe, especially with weapons hanging off the hardpoints!

I'd love to see a fully armed one pointing head on at a Southwest 737 with the caption "Make My Day!" 

Anyone willing to do some Photoshopping?



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 142, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting ThePointblank (Reply 140):
However, the P-8 has way more room for expandability

And more importantly, they have 2 commercial style lay flat seat for crew rest instead of the bunks.
  

. . . it has a commercial style lav . . .

and a commercial style galley . . . to warm up your MRE's   

bt



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12336 posts, RR: 25
Reply 143, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 145):
. . . it has a commercial style lav . . .

Dare I ask what you get in the P-3?



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 144, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 146):

Never been on a P-3. But from photos, it looks like a glorified "port-a-potty" with your standard toilet seat and a small sink.
The P-8 lav is also a stand-alone lav (not a vacuum system) but will look very similar to your run-of-the-mill commercial lav.

bt



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User currently onlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 145, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 145):
and a commercial style galley . . . to warm up your MRE's

Given what airlines are serving nowadays.....MREs may not be too bad a compromise.  



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User currently onlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 538 posts, RR: 1
Reply 146, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Valiant shield is starting here within the next two weeks...


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User currently offlineEskimotail From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 36 posts, RR: 2
Reply 147, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

LRIP 1-3 delivered to NAS Jacksonville on Friday. LRIP 1-4 progressing right behind it at Military Flight.

User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12336 posts, RR: 25
Reply 148, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Twitter brought me the following:

Boeing wins $1.9 billion deal for U.S. surveillance planes

which in part says:

Quote:

This is the third batch of low-rate, production planes bought by the Navy, bringing the total number of P-8 planes under contract to 24, out of a total of 117 that the Navy plans to buy overall

Glad to see the program is cruising right along!



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 149, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 32489 times:

Interesting article on the P-8 Vs the P-3.

http://defense.aol.com/2012/10/02/na...-high-altitude-high-tech-barf-bag/

bt



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 150, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 29484 times:

India officially received their P-8I.

http://india.nydailynews.com/newsart...aritime-patrol-aircraft-with-image

The plane will be in Seattle for a while for familiarization and testing before flying to India next year.

bt

[Edited 2012-12-20 07:23:20]


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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 151, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 29398 times:
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Thanks BT... good to have you over there checking. What's our total delivered now?

You know a lot of people didn't believe the Indian planes would deliver anywhere close to on time.. I guess this proves the plug and play capabilities.

[Edited 2012-12-20 09:59:02]

User currently offlineEskimotail From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 36 posts, RR: 2
Reply 152, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 29669 times:

YP/14 is next to deliver and is currently on the flight line at Military Flight.
YP/17 just flew over the hill today to begin its I and C.O. process.
YP/14 will make 6 at PAX and 6 at JAX.
plus the 2 static and fatigue test birds.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12336 posts, RR: 25
Reply 153, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 29540 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 151):
You know a lot of people didn't believe the Indian planes would deliver anywhere close to on time.. I guess this proves the plug and play capabilities.

Indeed. It's great to know there's now a flying tandoori oven!  



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User currently offlineEskimotail From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 36 posts, RR: 2
Reply 154, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 29467 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 153):

Indeed. It's great to know there's now a flying tandoori oven!


So old school. Actually equipped with full frig and convection oven.   


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 155, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 26296 times:

P-8 update

Fatigue testing has begun - surprising that fatigue testing has started so late.

http://boeingnews.web.boeing.com/archive/2013/4915.html

First deployment (Japan) expected in December.

http://navylive.dodlive.mil/2013/02/...n-squadron-readies-for-deployment/

First LRIP 2 aircraft to be delivered this month.

Program on track an budget - unlike another program I know  

bt



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 156, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 26051 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 155):

First LRIP 2 aircraft to be delivered this month.

Correction in early April.



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 157, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 24170 times:

Want to see a 737 drop ordinance?

http://www.boeing.com/Features/2013/04/bds_p8i_04_17_13.html

Sit through the talking heads and you'll get some nice in-flight videos. Pretty good resolution too if you maximize the screen.

bt



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12336 posts, RR: 25
Reply 158, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 24041 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 157):
Want to see a 737 drop ordinance?

Awesome. Much better than it leaving blue juice everywhere! 

Personally, I hope it never gets used in anger, but it's still awesome tech.



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User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 769 posts, RR: 0
Reply 159, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 23983 times:

Thanks for the link. Pretty cool.


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 160, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 22895 times:

There's been a major change in the P-8s basing plans, they will now be based at two locations (Whidbey Island and Jacksonville). Plans to base three squadrons in Hawaii have been scrapped.

http://larsen.house.gov/press-releas...r-station-whidbey-island-and-naval



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User currently offlinedahawaiian From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 161, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 22757 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 160):
There's been a major change in the P-8s basing plans, they will now be based at two locations (Whidbey Island and Jacksonville). Plans to base three squadrons in Hawaii have been scrapped.

Although the Supplemental EIS is still not finished, it appears as though the Navy has already made the decision to pull the patrol squadrons out of MCAS Kaneohe Bay. Apparently a two aircraft detachment was deemed sufficient.
I'm not sure what to think about this, but it will definitely help to make room for the Marines that are scheduled to arrive in Hawai'i in the coming years.


User currently offlineBigJKU From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 875 posts, RR: 11
Reply 162, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 22673 times:

Quoting dahawaiian (Reply 161):
Although the Supplemental EIS is still not finished, it appears as though the Navy has already made the decision to pull the patrol squadrons out of MCAS Kaneohe Bay. Apparently a two aircraft detachment was deemed sufficient.
I'm not sure what to think about this, but it will definitely help to make room for the Marines that are scheduled to arrive in Hawai'i in the coming years.

I think the key thing for the P-8 really should be its ability to deploy just about anywhere in a pinch. You should be able to do most major airframe support and maintenance from almost any decent commercial airport in a pinch as almost all can do some level of service on a 737. You obviously still need to maintain the avionics and put weapons on the thing but your logistical footprint for moving into and operating somewhere should be about as minimal as it could be.

If you can consolidate major MX operations to one place on each coast that should save money and not impact the ability to deploy and provide coverage much in my opinion. I would guess that some P-8's will always be rolling through deployments further forward in both oceans and in the event of a real crisis could/would easily disperse to the most appropriate commercial airports up and down each coast of the US.


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 163, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 22664 times:

Could this mean that the US Navy will rely on the Australian P-8's and their bases more for Pacific support? After all, the Aussies will get the same P-8 configuration as the US Navy. So I have been told.

bt



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 164, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 22630 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 163):
Could this mean that the US Navy will rely on the Australian P-8's and their bases more for Pacific support? After all, the Aussies will get the same P-8 configuration as the US Navy. So I have been told.

It means technically all the P-8 squadrons will be based at two locations, Jacksonville and Whidbey Island, however at least half the squadrons will be away on six month rotational deployments to detachments around the World in places like:

Bahrain, Okinawa, Misawa Japan, Guam, Diego Garcia, Curacao, El Salvador, Sigonella Italy, Souda Bay Greece, Qatar, and now Hawaii.

There are always P-3, soon P-8, aircraft forward deployed to these bases. In the event of a crisis their presence can be ramped up with additional squadrons.



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 165, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 22153 times:

P-8I aircraft now in India.

http://in.news.yahoo.com/indian-navy...nnaissance-aircraft-130037998.html

"The Indian Navy Wednesday received the first of eight Boeing P-8I long range maritime reconnaissance and anti-submarine warfare (LRMRASW) aircraft at the INS Rajali naval air Station in Tamil Nadu, giving a major fillip to its capabilities."

bt



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 166, posted (1 year 6 hours ago) and read 19563 times:
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I see another Indian P-8I had first flight yesterday.. how many is that now? And how many total have been delivered?

User currently offlineEskimotail From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 36 posts, RR: 2
Reply 167, posted (1 year 5 hours ago) and read 19553 times:

1 delivered in country and operating, Another to deliver shortly, The one that flew yesterday is actually #5. A P8I will be flying air demos for the upcoming seafair airshow.

User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 168, posted (1 year 4 hours ago) and read 19549 times:
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Quoting Eskimotail (Reply 167):
P8I will be flying air demos for the upcoming seafair airshow.

complete with torpedo launching??? one way to clear the log boom.      


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 169, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 18604 times:

Someone posted the fly-by.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRfArCnMyu4

bt



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 170, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 18581 times:
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The order for the next 13 shows up this week on the Boeing orders page.

User currently offlineBigJKU From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 875 posts, RR: 11
Reply 171, posted (11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 18516 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 170):
The order for the next 13 shows up this week on the Boeing orders page.

The P-8 is going to be a fantastic capability for a very long time. From what I hear behind the scenes it sounds like most of the technical challenges with conducting high altitude ASW are pretty much resolved. From way up there the P-8 can cover a lot of ocean.


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 172, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15657 times:
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Boeing adds another contract for more training equipment
http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...ion-poseidon-defense-contract.aspx