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Oregon Logging Crew Finds Curtiss Helldiver  
User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5323 times:

Pretty amazing story. I've been deep out in the Pacific Northwest woods before, some things can hide in those woods for a long time. It appears this plane has been there since around 1945-1946. Story with photos here:

http://www.katu.com/news/89251767.html

[Edited 2010-03-26 16:07:52]


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12148 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5306 times:

This is a great find, and if the human remains are that of the crew, then they should be buried with full military honors.

Welcome home. RIP.


User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2109 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5299 times:

That is a great find. It's too bad out of all the thousands of Helldiveres built there is only one flying in the whole world. Wish we had a little more foresight back then and kept at least a few of each type in flyable condition.


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User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5281 times:

I read another article on this that the AP had written. A military graves registration team from Hawaii is on the way out to see if they can identify any human remains. The trees around the wreckage look like they may be younger than the crash itself. There's a possibility another logging crew may have seen this years ago and not reported it.


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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5189 times:

There's a reason why the US Navy never bought another aircraft from Curtiss-Wright. That reason is the SBC-2 Helldiver, or as Naval Aviators called it SOB second class. The list of problems the Navy had with that aircaft is endless. One skipper of a Navy carrier got so frustrated with it that he threw the type off his ship.

[Edited 2010-03-26 18:14:41]

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13208 posts, RR: 77
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5030 times:

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 4):
There's a reason why the US Navy never bought another aircraft from Curtiss-Wright. That reason is the SBC-2 Helldiver, or as Naval Aviators called it SOB second class. The list of problems the Navy had with that aircaft is endless. One skipper of a Navy carrier got so frustrated with it that he threw the type off his ship.

Ironically, I was sent pics of this submerged aircraft by some restorers who work alongside the Museum Of Flight in Seattle, we visited them in 2005, they were restoring another naval type that had 'issues', one that I never thought I'd see in real life, the Cutlass naval fighter!

http://www.rbogash.com/Annex.htm

[Edited 2010-03-27 02:16:59]

User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4911 times:

Some more information this morning from The Oregonian
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index...ormer_mechanic_remembers_62-y.html

It's interesting to read the original article from 1948 today's Oregonian has a link to. There's a story at the bottom of the front page about a B-25 crashing in NY as well.

I'd forgotten how large the Helldiver was. As someone else pointed out there's only 1 flying version, so you don't get to see them at airshows or museums.

[Edited 2010-03-27 09:04:35]

[Edited 2010-03-27 09:05:57]


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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4737 times:

Quoting GDB (Reply 5):
Ironically, I was sent pics of this submerged aircraft by some restorers who work alongside the Museum Of Flight in Seattle, we visited them in 2005, they were restoring another naval type that had 'issues', one that I never thought I'd see in real life, the Cutlass naval fighter!

Reading the link they obviously have it backwards. They should be restoring the Crusader for flight and the "Gutless" for static display. With all the problems the USN had with it they gave Vought one more chance to get it right. Luckily for them they came up with the Crusader which spawned the Corsair.


User currently offlineGST From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4676 times:

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 4):
The list of problems the Navy had with that aircaft is endless. One skipper of a Navy carrier got so frustrated with it that he threw the type off his ship.

I was under the impression more than one captain replaced the helldiver with its predecessor, but I guess you are probably referring to Admiral Clark on the USS Yorktown? But the list of problems was indeed long, included amongst them the bell pivots for the aileron wires had a tendency to snap after dives, giving the impression that numerous pilots died doing victory rolls when they were in fact out of control.

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 7):
With all the problems the USN had with it they gave Vought one more chance to get it right. Luckily for them they came up with the Crusader which spawned the Corsair.

The corsair didn't exactly have an easy time of it, the long nose and severe stall characteristics made for a fun combination for carrier deck landings. When pilots carried extra airspeed to stay well clear of the stall, it resulted in the aircraft floating down the deck. It was only when the RN clipped its wings (Brit carriers had lower headroom on the hangar decks) that the sink rate increased sufficiently to make it a viable carrier aircraft. But when it was sorted out? Oh boy that plane was just what the doctor ordered!


User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2109 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4428 times:

Quoting GST (Reply 8):
The corsair didn't exactly have an easy time of it, the long nose and severe stall characteristics made for a fun combination for carrier deck landings.

I think you're either talking about the F-8 Crusader or the F-4 Corsair... the A-7 certainly didn't have a long nose and I never heard about it having handling problems.



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User currently offlineGST From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4400 times:

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 9):

Yes I was referring to the F4 Corsair.


User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2109 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4349 times:

Quoting GST (Reply 10):
Yes I was referring to the F4 Corsair.

Okay, and the reason I was clarifying is because you had responded to LMP737's post but the Corsair he was refering to was the Vought A-7 Corsair which came from the Vought F-8 Crusader.  
Quoting LMP737 (Reply 7):
Vought one more chance to get it right. Luckily for them they came up with the Crusader which spawned the Corsair.



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User currently offlineGST From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4322 times:

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 11):

D'oh! I'm an eejit, thanks for pointing out my error.


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