MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10243 posts, RR: 40 Posted (2 years 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 15776 times:
I was wondering if any of you are planning to attend the last Space Shuttle launch no doubt a historic event.
How about having a thread with all the information for those who will be going?
Need to know what will be the closest accessible spot, accomodation in the KSC area, the possibility of buying tickets from KSC if there are still any available, all that and everything else you might be thinking of.
It will be soon and there will most probably be no more after that.
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
ZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3250 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15759 times:
Put me on the maybe list... Depends on the job situation...
It will be crowded for sure...
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eksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1140 posts, RR: 27 Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 15737 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter): I was wondering if any of you are planning to attend the last Space Shuttle launch no doubt a historic event.
I will be there.
Quote: Need to know what will be the closest accessible spot, accomodation in the KSC area, the possibility of buying tickets from KSC if there are still any available, all that and everything else you might be thinking of.
The KSCVC tickets are the best bet for the general public. However, they sell out for a regular launch in sometimes as short as 4 minutes. You can also try some of the second party sellers that package a trip over from Orlando to KSC. I hear they are more likely to have tickets. I believe it is called Gator tours or something. I can recheck that
Quote: It will be soon and there will most probably be no more after that.
As I write this, OV-104 is being processed for the Launch on Command mission to support STS-134. Since she will be taken up to the point of rollover to the rest of the stack (which will be ready in the VAB), it is highly likely that she will get the nod for the last mission sometime in early 2011 (decision will be made in Summer 2010). So the fat lady has not sung..yet for OV-104. If she does fly (i say it is a high prob) then it would be second time she has cheated retirement...
JBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4459 posts, RR: 22 Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15670 times:
I'll be there. Hope you can make it, MadameConcorde!
Quoting eksath (Reply 2): The KSCVC tickets are the best bet for the general public. However, they sell out for a regular launch in sometimes as short as 4 minutes. You can also try some of the second party sellers that package a trip over from Orlando to KSC. I hear they are more likely to have tickets. I believe it is called Gator tours or something. I can recheck that
Gator Tours I'm pretty sure, along with another...Florida Dolphin Tours? Honestly, if you're staying in Orlando, it's probably worth the added cost not to have to deal with the insane traffic.
MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10243 posts, RR: 40 Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 15639 times:
Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 3): I'll be there. Hope you can make it, MadameConcorde!
Thank you all for your answers.
Seeing the real thing would be great, the trouble for us who are living far away are launch scrubs. We cannot predict those too far ahead of time and then have to cancel or extend our trips in case of a scrub.
Quoting eksath (Reply 2): it is highly likely that she will get the nod for the last mission sometime in early 2011
Now suppose they make the decision to have one "last last" mission in 2011 - I hope they will give the "go" - it may very well be worthwile waiting as we will be informed before STS-134 goes flying.
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10243 posts, RR: 40 Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15269 times:
Some great great Shuttle Atlantis pictures here...
I am still in hope that this will not be her last flight... who knows the future?
L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5394 posts, RR: 19 Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 15213 times:
I am heading down to KSC for the Sept. 16 launch which was supposed to be the last one ever.
By coincidence I bought the tickets to MCO on Sunday April 25, only few hours before NASA announced they are postponing the July launch until sometime late November.
What surprises me is that the November launch was not given a specific launch window. I understand there are not that many to choose from:
As it now stands, temperature constraints related to the station's orbit would preclude a shuttle launch between Nov. 8 and 25. Complicating the picture, three of the station's six crew members are scheduled to return to Earth Nov. 26. Their replacements are scheduled for launch Dec. 10.
To avoid a conflict with the December Soyuz flight, Endeavour would need to take off between Nov. 26 and the end of the month, it would appear, to complete its mission and undock before the new crew members arrive.
Other options appear limited. Looking further downstream, shuttle software issues would preclude launching Endeavour after Dec. 15 to avoid having the shuttle in orbit during an end-of-year rollover. Another so-called beta-angle cutout - the period when the angle between the sun and the station's orbit precludes a shuttle visit - begins Jan. 4 and extends through Jan. 20.
Unfortunately I don't think I will be able to make it for the Nov.launch so I am hoping that Atlantis will go up one more time in 2011 as there has been quite a lot speculation on spaceflightnow.com and I will be there no matter what.
Depends on the launch time. I went to see the nighttime launch of STS-126 in November 2008, which happened to be a Friday night so the amount of people who went to watch it was enormous and the dumbest thing I could have done was trying to get back to Orlando after waiting on the spot(**) from which I watched the launch at least 3 hours for everyone to leave. It took another 4 hours to get back to Orlando through a traffic jam of epic dimensions.
eksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1140 posts, RR: 27 Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 15168 times:
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Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 6): Depends on the launch time. I went to see the nighttime launch of STS-126 in November 2008, which happened to be a Friday night so the amount of people who went to watch it was enormous and the dumbest thing I could have done was trying to get back to Orlando after waiting on the spot(**) from which I watched the launch at least 3 hours for everyone to leave. It took another 4 hours to get back to Orlando through a traffic jam of epic dimensions.
It has progressively got worse as the missions have been winding down.
I stayed on base for more than 2 hr post launch to catch up with some work then it took me a solid 1 hr plus just to get I-95 (usually about 20 minutes). So the crowds were still dissipating 3 hrs post launch. It will get insane on the last few ones. I know a lot of people with VIP passes etc could not get onto base prior to launch as they were stuck in the backup PRIOR to launch (i.e. people trying to head towards the beach or the visitor center). I recommend building in a lot of extra time at both ends.
L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5394 posts, RR: 19 Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 15118 times:
eksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1140 posts, RR: 27 Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 14993 times:
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Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 6): I am heading down to KSC for the Sept. 16 launch which was supposed to be the last one ever.
By coincidence I bought the tickets to MCO on Sunday April 25, only few hours before NASA announced they are postponing the July launch until sometime late November.
Looks like sometime after Oct. 21 right now. End of the month on early July the decision.
eksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1140 posts, RR: 27 Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14819 times:
L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5394 posts, RR: 19 Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14448 times:
NASA managers Tuesday asked shuttle engineers to assess retargeting the final two space shuttle missions, moving launch of a mid-September flight with Discovery to Oct. 29 and a late November flight by Endeavour to Feb. 28. The changes would give engineers more time to optimize payloads bound for the International Space Station and avoid launch conflicts with other flights to the lab complex. The status of a proposed final fight of the shuttle Atlantis next June to deliver a final load of supplies and equipment remains unresolved.
Boof From Australia, joined Apr 2008, 161 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14409 times:
Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 11): I guess "lucky" me as it looks like a pointless trip to FL in September
At least your not booked and paid to fly from Australia like myself. 7500 miles and a $10,000 holiday later. I will at least get a nice tour of the KSC. Shame about the delays though....
Can anyone tell me if STS-133 is launched late October when approx. will it be placed on the crawler to the launch pad? I'd like to see the Orbiter mated and on the pad at least!!
The more DJ changes, the more I wish it was like B6...
eksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1140 posts, RR: 27 Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 14386 times:
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Quoting Boof (Reply 12): Can anyone tell me if STS-133 is launched late October when approx. will it be placed on the crawler to the launch pad? I'd like to see the Orbiter mated and on the pad at least!!
These are not really delays but operational adjustment to optimize the last few mission usage. i.e. the cramming of maximum stuff and functions to each mission.
Rollout occurs approx. 1 month before launch day.When she is rolling to the pad the tour busses are stopped hence there is no chance seeing her really.
The RSS coves her not long after she arrives at the pad so "all " you get to see of her is the top the tank and boosters. From the back side you can see the whole tank and boosters but not the orbiter . However the general public cannot see the backside of the stack from the tour. There is a national park beach that is a few miles north that people visit that allows you to see the backside of the stack from a few miles. This park is closed on launch day. I recommend you take the "up close" tour (extra $ to regular tour) at KSC visitor center as that will take you the viewing point that is a lot closer to the pad and you can get out and view pad A and B.
Rollover from the OPF to VAB is approx. 1 week before rollout. It happens pretty fast and is a short drive hence not seen by public on the tour. It is also in a secure area not travelled by the tour buses.
L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5394 posts, RR: 19 Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 14175 times:
It's official. As of now the last launch will be on Feb. 26
The last mission launch date is February 26th which is when Endeavour will be delivering a scientific instrument to the space station...
...Still up in the air is the possibility of an extra shuttle mission. NASA expects to make a decision about that before August.
MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10243 posts, RR: 40 Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14012 times:
Latest
From NASA Astronauts on Twitter:
New launch dates: STS-133 – 11/01/10 & STS-134 – 02/26/11
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
eksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1140 posts, RR: 27 Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 13732 times:
connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3857 posts, RR: 13 Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 13669 times:
Looks like the shuttle program may live a little longer: http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1007/15senate/
which will no dou bt please a lot of workers at KSC and also boost the tourism business in South Florida.
Blackprojects From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 756 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13620 times:
STS-135 Is on the cards for the middle of next year so at least one more shuttle launch will happen.
rwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1991 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 13594 times:
Quoting Blackprojects (Reply 18): STS-135 Is on the cards for the middle of next year so at least one more shuttle launch will happen.
*May* happen. This is something *one* Senate committee voted on. At the very least, this will need an approval from the full Senate, a similar measure on the House side, and the survive the inevitable reconciliation process.
Given the anti-spending mood on the hill at the moment, I'd say there's at best a 50% chance that this makes it all the way through.
connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3857 posts, RR: 13 Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13495 times:
Yes, I know. "May" happen and several things have to be in place prior to that happening. But we can live in hope. I don't see Dragon or Cygnus being available for manned activity before 2016/7, if then. From a psychological p.o.v. I think it's important for the US to have their own access to the ISS for at least a couple more years. And for ISS ops. Although the ATV & HTV seem to be doing what was advertised.
L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5394 posts, RR: 19 Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12961 times:
Still no update regarding the additional mission (STS-135) which should take place in June 2011?
Earlier articles at spaceflightnow.com were saying that the decision was supposed to be made "before August". Was that meant to be "before (the end of) August"?
nomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1564 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12935 times:
Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 21): Still no update regarding the additional mission (STS-135) which should take place in June 2011?
Earlier articles at spaceflightnow.com were saying that the decision was supposed to be made "before August". Was that meant to be "before (the end of) August"?
The House and Senate have both approved STS-135 and NASA is planning it like it's going to happen. The bills have some differences in funding the mission so it's not final yet.
lnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1588 posts, RR: 17 Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 12528 times:
Hey guys,
I have had the amazing honor of seeing 2 Shuttle launches (almost 3, but a tropical storm got in the way!) in person, from the NASA Causeway viewing location.
A few things you should know:
1) GO WITH A TOUR company. I went with Florida Dolphin Tours 2 times, and they were fantastic. They had extra water/drinks for cheaper than what the vendors were charging, and trust me, you need it. They pick you up rather early in Orlando (5 am for a 2pm Flight etc), and they get you to the visitors center nice and early. You can then spend most of the day touring the KSC Vistitors Center. Tours of the Center do go on throughout the day, but are limited and they end rather early. Keep in mind, the lineup for the bus-ride to the Causeway is HUGE - make sure you judge your timing well or you'll find yourself at the end of the line, about a mile back from the shade.
The bus was comfy and cool during the ride back, and everyone was tired, so most people slept.
2) Make sure you allow for a 2-3 (possibly more!) hour drive back to Orlando - The last time we went down, the drive back to Orlando on the bus took about 3 hours. The traffic is HORRENDOUS as it's not just KSC people leaving the area. People stop on the highways for these things and bugger everything up.
3) From what I've heard, the people who get the tickets for the visitors center (as opposed to the NASA Causeway tickets which are harder to get) usually end up feeling a little disappointed. It's packed, standing room only, in the sweltering heat with no open air, and the only view of shuttle you get until about T+20 seconds is on tv monitors. There is no direct view across the horizon towards the launch pads from the KSCVC.
4) No matter what, take an umbrella and lots of water. Superhydrate yourself throughout the day. The first time we went down, we just about died out on the Causeway - there was NO wind, and it was about 100 degrees out there. What I did last time, and it made it more bearable, is, we spent the morning touring the outside exhibits of the VC, then went on the bus tour, then watch the Imax movie before heading to the causeway - too much heat can ruin the day for you.
Remember to pack your patience - especially after the shuttle is launched. The traffic will crawl, and you will be going nowhere soon. Make a complete day out of it (don't book dinner reservations!) and enjoy the experience - It truly is an awesome site to see. We sat on the bus for about 45 minutes without moving once. Keep in mind, there's 300 busses of people in front of you LOL.
I hope to see one more before they go, but I don't think it'll happen - Despite the heat, aggravation of waiting, etc, it's absolutely worth it!
L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5394 posts, RR: 19 Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12499 times:
I love how close to the launch pad the location from which this video was taken is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHEWm68yXg0
But I assume this is not where any "mortals" have a chance to get access to, is it?
25 lnglive1011yyz: That's at the Press Site - The camera is making it look closer than it really is I'm sure - No humans are 'allowed' anywhere within 3 miles of the sh
26 eksath: That is not the press site but the staff viewing area located close to Launch control. 3.1 miles apprx. from pad 39A.
27 lnglive1011yyz: And, if anyone would know, it would be you!!! *Bows* LOL 1011yyz
28 connies4ever: I'm a physicist, not a chemist (a lower form of life in my view), so don't quote me, but I think the fuel is aluminum perchlorate, with a rubbery bin
29 JBirdAV8r: The closest people I know are on a team called the "Forward Fireman Team" or something to that effect, located just outside the pad perimeter. I'm pr
30 JBirdAV8r: Ammonium perchlorate to be exact. There is aluminum powder in the formula as well. Fairly sure the SRB's use PBAN, polybutadiene acrylic acid acrylon
31 nomadd22: The ammonium percholate is the oxidizer for aluminum fuel with a small amount of iron oxide catalyst. The polymer that holds it together is also a sec
32 PC12Fan: English mother f*****!!!!! Mods, do what you feel, but I couldn't resist.
33 MadameConcorde: This message was just sent to me so reposting here as I will not be able to go. This is for the upcoming launch. Maybe some of you want to give it a t
34 JBirdAV8r: Thanks for posting, Madame. Are you going to make it to this one?
35 MadameConcorde: Unfortunately not. NASA today officially cleared the space shuttle Discovery for its final mission, setting the stage for a Nov. 1 blastoff to cap th
37 MadameConcorde: STS-133 A most beautiful successful liftoff from the Cape yesterday. The Astronauts are now on their way to the ISS. There are two more launches sched
38 MadameConcorde: April 19th At 7:48 pm EDT STS-134 launch. Launch window till May 2nd.
39 JBirdAV8r: NASA, at least internally, is saying that STS-135 will fly. If appropriations don't come from Congress, they'll pull the money from other parts of th
40 MadameConcorde: STS-135 is scheduled to launch NET 28 June 2011. What are the chances that they push it until later? What is the local weather like around that time
41 DiamondFlyer: Hot & humid with thunderstorms around 3PM everyday. Probably mid 80's on the coast, with 90+ more than about 10 miles inland. -DiamondFlyer
42 bigbird: If they do approve STS-135 will it be flown by Atlantis?
44 MadameConcorde: I heard they had 250,000 people who came to watch Discovery launch from the usual nearby places. They are expecting double that for STS-134 and one Mi
45 TUGMASTER: ok.... so how do i get tickets .........? rgds
46 QANTAS747-438: Why is Titusville dying? Yes. I went to STS-133 and it launched at 4:53pm. At 130am, traffic was still backed up in places, but moving. That's more t
47 MadameConcorde: Try your luck with Tweetup and attend the launch with a NASA invvitation. Register here. Hurry up! Spots will go quickly. http://www.nasa.gov/connect/
48 MadameConcorde: I am surprised to see so little posting about the next coming and last Endeavour Space Shuttle flight STS-134. I am all booked, I have a ticket to KSC
49 IMissPiedmont: Having seen the first 34 up close, I have no interest in seeing another. About time that dinosaur is put out to pasture. I just Don't understand the c
50 DiamondFlyer: Exactly. I've seen probably half a dozen, from locations as close a 10 miles to all the way across the state of Florida, and it really doesn't bother
51 MadameConcorde: This is not good news for those many of us travelling across the oceans to attend the launch. NASA Retargets Space Shuttle Endeavour's Launch for Apri
52 fxramper: No parking space available at ISS for Endeavour.
53 alberchico: are the news networks going to provide any live coverage or a special program covering this final launch ?
54 MadameConcorde: April 29 is the day of the royal wedding at westminster if I am not mistaken? There will be a lot of reporters there. Maybe the launch will get much l
55 DiamondFlyer: This isn't likely to be the last launch. STS-135 is scheduled for later in the year, as long as 134 doesn't need the rescue mission. -DiamondFlyer
56 HaveBlue: I will be going if it goes any day in that window EXCEPT the 29th... I work out of town that day. When I go I park at Miracle City Mall on US1 due wes
57 Eagleboy: I will be at KSC on the 22nd. Got to see STS-132 last year so doing the tour of KSC this time round. Its a link to a sense of adventure and mystery t
58 MadameConcorde: Government Shutdown Threatens Space Shuttle Endeavour Mission By Loren Grush Published April 08, 2011 .... Up until the launch date, NASA allocates a
59 ZANL188: Launch scrubbed due to problems with APU heaters. More to come
61 n92r03: Anyone know why POTUS flew in on a C-32A (757)?
62 aal151heavy: Here are some of the interesting events so far as seen by myself. My remote cameras set up about 0.6 miles away from the Pad 39A: Rotating Service Str
63 ZANL188: Intriguing. Can you tell us a little bit about how the cameras work? I see you have them tied down to the ground - do you expect blast or shock at th
64 aal151heavy: This is my first time shooting remotes, so by no means am I an expert. The tie downs prevents anything (wind, allegators, etc) from moving your setup
65 eksath: According to my sources, the airport in Alabama that POTUS visited immediately prior to the Cape was not able to handle the VC-25. He switched to the
66 ZANL188: Avionics box in the aft, that controls APU heater, needs to be replaced. Difficult to get to plus need two days of testing following replacement - it
67 nomadd22: Launch is not NET May 10. It'll be 3 or 4 days till the new unit is tested and they can set a firm date.
68 MadameConcorde: Launch is now NET May 16. http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2011/...rget-amid-apu-wiring-thermos-work/ Waiting for the press conference on Monday at 3.00
69 MadameConcorde: Any A.netters planning to attend the launch attempt the morning of the 16th? MEDIA ADVISORY: M18-11 AIRSPACE, ROAD, BRIDGE AND WATER CLOSURES FOR STS-
70 4holer: Hope you saw it Madame. I just spoke to my mother, who is there, and has been, since the first launch attempt. She could barely speak through her tear
71 aal151heavy: Hi all, Here are some of my photos from yesterday and today. Rotating Service Structure (RSS) rollback at launch minus one day, revealing Endeavour: C
72 MadameConcorde: I walked lots and got treated to a most beautiful viewing from where I was at the Causeway. Totally unobstructed view of the launch pad and the Shutt
73 MadameConcorde: After the Soyuz undocks they are going to move 300 meters away and do a International Space Station fly around for which the Station will be turned ar
74 Thrust: I could be wrong about this, but that article looks like it was written last year, and I'm not sure if this was prior to Obama cutting the funding fo
75 MadameConcorde: Atlantis is due to fly 8 July with the 4 mission STS-135 astronauts on board. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sh.../shuttlemissions/sts135/index.ht
76 Dazed767: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph8A3B85X6o Endeavour's sonic boom at 02:30am from Orlando.
77 zkeye: I just saw some infrared footage on the news after she had landed and it looked like there was a small fire at the base of the tail - anyone else see
78 ManuCH: It appears to be the APU exhaust. It happens every time, but it can only be seen after night landings.
79 Mir: It was particularly forceful tonight - Endeavour does not want to go out quietly. -Mir
82 srbmod: Some interesting HDR images put together by the Ames Research Center of the launch of STS-134. http://www.nasa.gov/topics/shuttle_s...es/sts-134_launc
83 ZANL188: NASA had some other interesting videos from this launch. I have seen an IR video taken externally of the LOX tank fill process. I'll post link if I f
84 MadameConcorde: The photos taken by Paolo Nespoli during the Soyuz flyabout are starting to come out. The International Space Station and the Docked Space Shuttle End
85 MadameConcorde: Video of Shuttle Endeavour docked to the ISS from the Soyuz by ESA astronaut Paolo Nespoli http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7taTN_IGufM&feature=play
86 4holer: Interestingly, I saw something amazing from the end of the mission. I was vacationing near Albuquerque and saw on spaceweather.com that there would be
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