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India Purchases 42 More Su-30MKIs For 3 Billion  
User currently offlineShmertspionem From India, joined Aug 2006, 453 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5865 times:

The Indian Cabinet Committee on Security has approved the purchase of 42 new Su-30 MKIs directly from Russia for a whopping 3 billion USD (15,000 crore rupees) . This will bring the Su total up from the initial envisaged 230 to 272


This of course raises many questions about India's shoddy and unprofessional approach to defence

1) The figure indicates a full 100% + price inflation (71.5 million per plane) while the initial Sukhoi deal envisaged each plane costing 35 million in 2002 dollars

2) Why was this deal given to Irkut in-spite of the DRDO tom-tomming "full indigenisation to be achieved in 2010" in Aug 2009

3) Why wasn't this additional requirement foreseen when the contract was negotiated - especially given that Pakistani and Chinese procurement plans have been more or less clear since 2003, and certainly predictable since 2001

4) Does point 3 mean the AF high command are a) clueless about forecasting. b) don't carry out strategic studies before deciding procurement

5) Why wasn't the license production contract negotiated with upward limit flexibility if the AF wasn't sure of how many planes it wanted

6) HAL claims to be producing 23-28 Sus per year, this would have maximum stretched the production line 2 more years -

7) evidently HAL and DRDO should consider making Hot Air Balloons since hot air press releases seems to be the only thing they produce in copious quantities.

8) This raises doubts as to a) the actual level of indigenisation achieved b) India's absorbtion of technology c) production capabilities of HAL

9) Despite being Russia's largest client it also shows how weak a hand India has at the bargaining table (or its inability/incompetence/ineptitude at playing its cards right)

10) Bureaucratic bungling is of course a given - especially since most bureaucrats in the MOD had degrees in English literature (as per the 2008 IAS directory). Presumably they think an invasion can be defeated by a ringing rendition of Ozymandias or bombing the enemy with copies of Wordsworth and Byron.

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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5569 times:

Why does India need such a large Flanker fleet? Its not like Pakistan has any aircraft in this category to pose a threat.

A much better use of the money is to integrate a better engine on the LCA Tejas and finally launch full scale production to replace all those flying coffins the IAF has.

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User currently offlineThePointblank From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 2459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5516 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 1):
Why does India need such a large Flanker fleet? Its not like Pakistan has any aircraft in this category to pose a threat.

Look north, and you will see a nation that has squabbled and continues to disagree at times with India in the past. And this nation has a massive Flanker fleet of their own.

User currently offlineShmertspionem From India, joined Aug 2006, 453 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5456 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 1):
Why does India need such a large Flanker fleet
Quoting ThePointblank (Reply 2):
Look north

yes it is china specific but there isn't much wisdom in building up a fleet - that the Chinese also possess a variant of - especially when they've got greater resources (industrial and financial) to build up a a much bigger fleet of the same planes - even if slightly inferior its only a matter of time before they acquire AESA's and steal jamming technologies.

plus since they've reverse engineered the plane they can replace attrition much more quickly, thoroughly and competently than India can.

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