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F-15 To Saudi Arabia?  
User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2137 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11186 times:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...on-including-84-f-15-fighters.html

"A proposed U.S. arms sale to Saudi Arabia will include 84 new Boeing Co. F-15 fighter jets and may be valued at as much as $30 billion, according to a government official familiar with the plan. "

If followed through, it would provide a significant boost to the F-15 line. Maybe there would be some "SE" in the mix?



bikerthai


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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11186 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Thread starter):
Maybe there would be some "SE" in the mix?

I really hope so - might even make up most of the 84. Besides, their older Eagles could be radically updated with the "SE kit" - going by Boeing's previous pronouncements.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-and-f-18-fighter-development.html



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11180 times:

The F-15SE would be a good addition to the RSAF, and would be useful in helping to keep Iran in check. I see they also want UH-60s and the LCS, too.

User currently offlineShmertspionem From India, joined Aug 2006, 453 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11171 times:

This is terrible news - its going to completely upset the balance of power in the region.


Coupled with comprehensive arms sanctions on Iran - This just gave them 84 new reasons to go nuclear (if they needed any more to add to the already very good reasons they have)


Don't people realise a rat is most dangerous when cornered?



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25546 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11121 times:

Quoting Shmertspionem (Reply 3):
This is terrible news - its going to completely upset the balance of power in the region.

     

Saudi Arabia and its Gulf neighbors deserve to have equipment that can protect them. The US and entire West has huge national security interest in protecting the region, and cant sit around on our hands with or without Iran in the picture even.

By the way, a sale to Saudis means further sales to Israel, which also means a bit more sales to Egypt also.



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2137 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11066 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
means further sales to Israel,

Looks like that Israel is getting the F-35.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1920195720100719

Which would make it less likely that Israel supporters in Congress would block the Saudi Sale.


bikerthai



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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11045 times:

$30 billion? That's more than Boeing or Airbus did during the entire Farnborough airshow!


"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7638 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11000 times:

One question.

How secure is the House of Saud.

iirc Iran bought their F14's when they were our friends.


User currently offlineShmertspionem From India, joined Aug 2006, 453 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10980 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 7):
How secure is the House of Saud

Very secure - till the next oil price slump

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 7):
Iran bought their F14's when they were our friends.

yes and in those days Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld were the the biggest supporters of Nuclear Iran
not just power plants - bombs and all.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=2067

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Kis...msfel-by-DC-Rapier-080810-968.html



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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10864 times:

Here's a Reuters article on the subject.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idCNN229423520100722?rpc=44

I've always wondered why Saudi Arabia didn't take a couple dozen C-17s? They'd work internally if nothing else.



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7638 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10664 times:

How many people in the mid 1970's expected the Shah to fall when the US sold them F14's.

Simply assuming that the KSA will stay the same is very risky.


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2137 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 10556 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 15):
Simply assuming that the KSA will stay the same is very risky.

It would be lucrative to sell arms to both antagonists . . . India/Pakistan for example.   

bikerthai

[Edited 2010-07-25 06:02:43 by srbmod]


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15749 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10330 times:

Quoting Shmertspionem (Reply 3):
This is terrible news - its going to completely upset the balance of power in the region

Quite the contrary actually. Continuing support to both sides of the conflict gives the US leverage to hopefully contain things if the situation goes south. Having middle eastern militaries receiving large amounts of American aid basically means that no one can win without our permission.

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 5):
Looks like that Israel is getting the F-35

Well, we had better sell some to Jordan, Egypt, or Saudi Arabia as well.

[Edited 2010-07-25 06:04:30 by srbmod]


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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7638 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10271 times:

KC135TopBoom

Why would Israel fly over Saudi to hit Iran?.


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7638 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10225 times:

Any major change upsets the balance of power.

Perhaps you mean upset in an undesirable way.

Besides surely KSA has superiority already.

If it is a case of "new shiny toys" lets say so.


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10221 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 21):
Why would Israel fly over Saudi to hit Iran?.


Because Jordan, Syria and Iraq have not approved Israeli over flights and Saudi Arabia has?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...rld/middle_east/article7148555.ece


User currently offlinelumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10171 times:

All the diversionary arguments won't stop this deal; the Saudis have the money to spend and we have the hardware. If we don't sell it to them, there are at least two European nations I could name that would instantly offer them their own home grown alternatives. Does anyone here doubt that? Would Putin impose conditions on a similar sale to Saudi Arabia? Of course not!

I'm hoping they take C-17s as well.



"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
User currently offlineShmertspionem From India, joined Aug 2006, 453 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10050 times:

Quoting lumberton (Reply 26):
All the diversionary arguments won't stop this deal

since when did discussion become "diversion"?

How would you rather this forum operate?
Announcement of a sale followed by congratulatory messages only?

Second - nobody doubts this deal is now fait accompli - nobody's debating IF it will go through but rather WHY it should or should not have been signed in the first place.

Quoting lumberton (Reply 26):
the Saudis have the money to spend and we have the hardware.

So do the Chinese - I'm sure if we offered them license production of the F-22 they'd throw a whole lot of money are way. they have 2.5 TRILLION - thats right TRILLION dollars in CASH. So what?

Quoting lumberton (Reply 26):
If we don't sell it to them, there are at least two European nations I could name that would instantly offer them their own home grown alternatives. Does anyone here doubt that?

Have we been reading the same thread? - pls read replies 14 and 18 - nobody doubts that Europe will fill the vacuum - the point is the threat of primary, secondary and tertiary sanction will be enough to strong arm them not to. .... Just as Russia was strong armed into not selling the S-300 to Iran and Israel was strong armed into not selling the Phalcon to China.

Quoting lumberton (Reply 26):
Would Putin impose conditions on a similar sale to Saudi Arabia?

So we should start selling to Libya, Iraq, Venezuela, Sudan, Syria, Burma and China too ?



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9772 times:

Quoting lumberton (Reply 16):
I'm hoping they take C-17s as well.

That would be nice, but I don't think they need them.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
Quoting bikerthai (Reply 5):
Looks like that Israel is getting the F-35

Well, we had better sell some to Jordan, Egypt, or Saudi Arabia as well.

Well, if KSA is buying the F-15SE (which model F-15 are they buying?), they won't need the F-35. I doubt Egypt or Jordan could afford the F-35.


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9724 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 5):
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
means further sales to Israel,

Looks like that Israel is getting the F-35.

They're considering their options.....

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...buy-over-100-f35s-02381/#more-2381

Quote:
"July 8/10: Boeing flies its stealth-enhanced F-15SE Silent Eagle, for the first time, demonstrating the weapon bay operation in flight. The next stage will involve firing an AIM-120 air to air missile from the recessed weapon bay, which is part of the plane’s conformal fuel tank.

Boeing executives are also quoted as saying that they expect export approval for the F-15SE, and have received interest for Korea. A Jerusalem Post report adds Israel to this list, citing several conversations between Israeli defense officials and Boeing about F-15SE capabilities, and possible interest in a cheaper Silent Eagle bridge buy that allows full Israeli customization, while the F-35A achieves greater cost certainty and lower production costs."


[Edited 2010-07-25 17:27:26]


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9617 times:

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 19):
Quoting bikerthai (Reply 5):
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
means further sales to Israel,

Looks like that Israel is getting the F-35.

They're considering their options.....

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...-2381

As long as allowing our allies access to the softwear is an issue, I suspect Isreal will wait to confirm their F-35A order. But, I suspect if the KSA gets the F-15SE, so will Isreal.


User currently offlinelumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9614 times:

News report that Kuwait is also looking at the F-15SE.


"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9549 times:

Here.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ts-interest-for-f-15-from-new.html

Quote:
"Kuwait has surprised Boeing by asking for information on the F-15 Silent Eagle, making it the first non-operator of classic F-15s to express an interest in the latest version of the fighter.

Paul Oliver, Boeing's vice-president for the Middle East and Africa, confirms that a Middle Eastern country that is looking to 'recapitalise' its air force has expressed an interest. However, he declines to say if the country is Kuwait.

[.....]

'Right not, this potential customer is asking if it can have information about the F-15. A lot of customers are looking to recapitalise their fighters,' he adds. 'There are a lot of countries looking for alternative platforms to the [Lockheed Martin] F-35 in the Middle East, and this is one of those'."



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User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4774 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9486 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 18):
Quoting lumberton (Reply 16):
I'm hoping they take C-17s as well.

That would be nice, but I don't think they need them.

if the UAE has a use for them I would think the Saudis have a even better reason to need them!


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9036 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 18):

Well, if KSA is buying the F-15SE (which model F-15 are they buying?), they won't need the F-35.
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 20):
But, I suspect if the KSA gets the F-15SE, so will Isreal.

To correct myself, it turns out that the Silent Eagle is not being offered to the Saudis afterall - according to this blog.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/th...audia-arabia-israel-and-the-f.html

Quote:
"The Wall Street Journal reports that the US will sell 82 F-15Es to Saudi Arabia over objections from Israel. According to the article, standoff weapons were the main issue of concern in Jerusalem. Of course, standoff weapons are only necessary if the aircraft is unable to penetrate defended airspace to release weapons directly over the target. Boeing has designed the F-15SE Silent Eagle precisely for that mission, but the company has been careful to point out that Saudi is not a potential customer for Silent Eagle. The WSJ article about Israel's concerns probably explains why."



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25 Post contains links Lumberton : Up to 60 Apache's are being discussed and the deal is up to USD$60 billion, according to this article. Saudi arms deal could involve 60 Apaches from M
26 par13del : I'm confused by this point, Europe has already sold Saudia Arabia Tornados and Eurofighters, the Typhoon is a more modern a/c than the F-15, what str
27 Post contains links Lumberton : More likely, this is why they want it. http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs...=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest
28 Post contains images par13del : Possibly one scenario, but 20 a/c against thousands of conventional missiles is not a pretty numbers picture.The bulk of those missiles are not true "
29 Post contains links Lumberton : The Obama Administration has notified Congress of its intent. Now its official. Congress has 30 days to object; no serious road blocks are anticipated
30 AirRyan : Good thing we will know the election results in the first week of November, and besides as we have seen with the health care bill that they passed de
31 bikerthai : Not likely no matter who wins this November because of the following reasons: 1) Jobs, jobs, jobs . . . . 2) Israel passively gave it's blessing ('ca
32 trex8 : Arms sales notifications are hardly ever vetoed, they do not need to be passed by congress to occur, just not vetoed to stop them. They usually go th
33 Post contains links DEVILFISH : Well, we can say the F15-SAs they're getting will come fully-loaded..... http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...4-f_15s%2C-100%2B-helicopters.html Sau
34 lumberton : What is astonishing is the scope of this order. You only highlighted the F-15 related items. The article also details the rotary wing toys.
35 Post contains links trex8 : very strange but on the dsca site http://www.dsca.mil there are 3 separate notifications for the choppers, one for 10 AH64D, one for 24 and one for a
36 Post contains links lumberton : I believe it is 36 total AH-64, but at this point I'd venture no one knows the real number they'll ultimately sign for. Speaking of helicopters, it s
37 AirRyan : I disagree, that's hardly a vote of approval however since Israeli allies in the US government are presently in the minority, they will have to wait
38 Post contains links Baroque : Are you writing about the F-15 deal or the F-35 deal? Either or both might acquire a different hue if this leads to anything. http://www.haaretz.com/
39 Post contains images allegro : So it looks like Pres. Obama bowing to King Abdullah did pay off ... One bow = $60B ... not bad. Congrats to Boeing and all involved. Much needed shot
40 trex8 : And the last time it happened like I said was the first attempt to sell F15s almost 30 years ago now As I also pointed out, these deals don't get "pa
41 Post contains links and images bikerthai : From: http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terro...-billion-arms-sale-to-Saudi-Arabia "The Jerusalem Post reports that Israel is not expected to object to
42 Spacepope : Not bad for US arms companies. Looks like a lot of the ammunition is replacement for what the F-15S fleet burned through earlier this year on the Yeme
43 Post contains links lumberton : Slightly OT, but if this report is true Spain seems to be selling the core of its armored force to Saudia Arabia. I wonder why they didn't go for Germ
44 ThePointblank : It may be new production Leopards, not existing Leopards because the numbers being bandied about IS the entire Spanish Leopard 2E force, and then som
45 lumberton : Yes its close to their entire force, but perhaps they decided they don't need heavy armor anymore? BTW, would Germany allow Spain to produce these th
46 faro : They also have the money to buy personal A380's, inter-stellar yachts and gold-plated mouse traps. Doesn't mean that people should indulge their ever
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