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Plane Down At Elmendorf AFB  
User currently offlineANCsupercub From United States of America, joined May 2007, 139 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 17117 times:

There is a plane down at Elmendorf. The news is reporting it was a C-17, 2 miles north of Elmendorf with four people on board. No word on injuries. http://www.adn.com/2010/07/28/138572...o-plane-reported-down-on-base.html

[Edited 2010-07-28 20:02:02]

[Edited 2010-07-28 20:08:16]

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User currently offlinenutsaboutplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 506 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 16904 times:

This is sad, my brother had just landed his P-3 and saw the bird on her way to the runway. As he exited the aircraft after shutdown, there was a huge fireball just off of the end of the runway. The aircraft he saw was an Elmendorf bird for sure, he noticed because he commented that it had a wing light out during taxi.

I hope there are survivors but it sounds like there was quite an impact. I wonder how this will impact the airshow this week, it will certainly put a damper on the festivities.

[Edited 2010-07-28 20:53:54]


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User currently offlineANCsupercub From United States of America, joined May 2007, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 16874 times:

Yeah I was driving out to Eagle River and saw the smoke. It doesn't look good. Thoughts and prayers to the families involved. ADN has a picture of the smoke on their website now.

User currently offlinenutsaboutplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 506 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 16856 times:

Does anybody know how many C-17's are based at Elmendorf?

[Edited 2010-07-28 21:01:20]


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User currently offlineANCsupercub From United States of America, joined May 2007, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 16787 times:

I googled it and came across this article http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123056733. It sounds as if there are eight, but I really know nothing about military operations and have no idea if this is right.

User currently offlinenutsaboutplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 506 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 16723 times:

Quoting ANCsupercub (Reply 4):
I googled it and came across this article http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123056733. It sounds as if there are eight, but I really know nothing about military operations and have no idea if this is right.

Thanks, I knew it was small compared to Mcchord, Charleston and Mcguire (Mcchord and Charleston have 40+).



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User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 16500 times:

The aircraft was belonging to Elmendorf 3rd Sqn IIRC. Was on a training flight, as per BNO Wire.


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User currently offlinemrskyguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 16483 times:

Man, when will it end? This has been a simply awful week.

Prayers to the airmen and their loved ones.



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User currently offlineGalaxy5007 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 15741 times:

Elmendorf has 8 C-17s assigned to them that I can confirm; a ninth might be assigned; but that aircraft has been in depot. 98-0051, 98-0056, 99-0167, 99-0168, 99-0170, 00-0171, 00-0173 and 00-0174 are the C-17s assigned to Elmendorf.

User currently offlinebigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14728 times:

The crew of four were confirmed killed. RIP to them  http://nycaviation.com/x14


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User currently offlinedragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13856 times:

How many C-17 hull losses is this? I know there was at least one belly up landing in Afghanistan, probably not a hull loss though.

RIP to the airmen lost.



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User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9180 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 13751 times:

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 6):
The aircraft was belonging to Elmendorf 3rd Sqn IIRC. Was on a training flight, as per BNO Wire.


They were practicing for the Arctic Thunder air show.

"Air Force Lt. Gen. Dana Atkins said the crew was training for the upcoming Arctic Thunder air show. Three were members of the Alaska Air National Guard and the fourth crew member was on active duty at Elmendorf. The identities of the victims have not been released."

http://www.ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?S=12889630



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User currently offlineCodyKDiamond From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 537 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 13648 times:

My condolences to the entire flight crew, their families and their friends.

User currently offlineGalaxy5007 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 13604 times:

Quoting dragon6172 (Reply 10):
How many C-17 hull losses is this? I know there was at least one belly up landing in Afghanistan, probably not a hull loss though.

You assumed correctly; the aircraft that belly landed (96-0002) is at Long Beach getting permanent repairs; it flew there no problem. As did 01-0196 did a couple years before last years incident. This is the first loss of a C-17.

RIP to the crew; and my thoughts and prayers go out to the family and friends of the crew.


User currently offlineGalaxy5007 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 13512 times:

Unconfirmed word of the tail number is 00-0173, which was also named the Spirit of the Aleutians

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12160 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 13181 times:

Quoting Galaxy5007 (Reply 14):
Unconfirmed word of the tail number is 00-0173, which was also named the Spirit of the Aleutians

RIP my brothers.    My heart and prayers go out to the AKANG and USAF families, and mostly to the families to the 4 crew members.


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5694 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 12651 times:

My cousin is stationed there at the moment and does flying in the air force out there.

I was concerned my cousin was involved, so I messaged my aunt, and she was also and she has not heard anything at the moment if it was him. We have not heard from my cousin yet.

So far we are assuming it was not my cousin.

RIP to all those killed, and the family for going through this. it was not a good night for me wondering if my cousin was involved I cannot even imagine how it was for the family of those directly involved.

Alex



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User currently offlineTwoSevenRight From UK - England, joined Feb 2009, 28 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12275 times:

Condolences to Flight crew, Family and Friends, it's been a bad week in aviation.

Tom



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User currently offlinemossfan15 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11254 times:

My thoughts and prayers go out the the families of the 4 airmen.


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User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7414 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11187 times:
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Quoting Galaxy5007 (Reply 14):
Unconfirmed word of the tail number is 00-0173, which was also named the Spirit of the Aleutians

I think she was one of our birds down here at TCM that we gave to them a few years ago. Very sad indeed for all the men and women in AK ANG and the families of the fallen. Even in the perceived safety and the confines of your own home and country, the servicemen and women still face so many dangers. For those who volunteer for national service, there is no "just another ordinary day". Godspeed my wingmen/women.



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User currently offlinebigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11031 times:

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 19):
Even in the perceived safety and the confines of your own home and country, the servicemen and women still face so many dangers. For those who volunteer for national service, there is no "just another ordinary day". Godspeed my wingmen/women.

Well said. *raises glass*



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User currently offlineGalaxy5007 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 10510 times:

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 19):
I think she was one of our birds down here at TCM that we gave to them a few years ago

Yes, 00-0173 (in fact all of Elmendorfs aircraft) were originally McChord birds. Originally the got 99-0167 through 00-0174; but 99-0169 and 00-0172 have swapped out with Altus birds as part of the normal rotation to keep the jets from being worn out from the abuse they take at Altus. 00-0173 was delivered to McChord in April of 2001.

Oh, and I have confirmed that 0173 is the jet in question.


User currently offlinenutsaboutplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 506 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10180 times:

I have worked on aircraft 0173 many times, both at Mcchord and deployed. Its a strange feeling to know that a plane that you worked on is now wrecked and that it took 4 heroes with it.

I hope that the investigation points to mechanical failure of birds, but, being that this was a crew practicing for an airshow, I have a sickening feeling that they simply pushed her too hard....I hope that is not the case.

The C-17 is a remarkable airplane and can maneuver and perform like a fighter jet. Whenever I was on base and there was a jet doing tactical maneuvers over the airfield, I would always park my car to watch and marvel at that fact that a half million pounds could be so graceful and maneuverable....amazing bank angles on the 17.



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User currently offlineGalaxy5007 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10118 times:

Quoting nutsaboutplanes (Reply 22):
I have worked on aircraft 0173 many times, both at Mcchord and deployed. Its a strange feeling to know that a plane that you worked on is now wrecked and that it took 4 heroes with it.

I hope that the investigation points to mechanical failure of birds, but, being that this was a crew practicing for an airshow, I have a sickening feeling that they simply pushed her too hard....I hope that is not the case.

The C-17 is a remarkable airplane and can maneuver and perform like a fighter jet. Whenever I was on base and there was a jet doing tactical maneuvers over the airfield, I would always park my car to watch and marvel at that fact that a half million pounds could be so graceful and maneuverable....amazing bank angles on the 17.

I agree completely. When 4059 went down in 06 (C-5B from Dover) It hit me hard as I have done so much work on that aircraft. To have it go down and knowing people that were on board, it was traumatizing to me. Luckily everyone survived that crash; its never a good thing to hear us losing an aircraft, but its horrible to lose lives. They can buy another C-17...the 4 airmen that were lost can't be replaced.

From what I've heard from witness accounts, the plane was banking hard and had the wings vertical to the ground...it almost sounds like a repeat of the 1994 Fairchild B-52 disaster, where they banked it too far and lost all the lift.


User currently offlinenutsaboutplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 506 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9333 times:

Quoting Galaxy5007 (Reply 23):
From what I've heard from witness accounts, the plane was banking hard and had the wings vertical to the ground...it almost sounds like a repeat of the 1994 Fairchild B-52 disaster, where they banked it too far and lost all the lift.

I actually watched that video last night because it sounded so similar. They are fine if they carry enough speed into those turns but if the jet gets a little bit slow, it falls like a rock.

The stress that is exerted on the center wing box is immense. When the jets would land after combat maneuvers, there would be tons of sheered and popped screws/ fasteners on the upper wing panel near the fuselage.....those things were a pain to fix.

Like I said, I hope it was mechanical or a bird ingestion into multiple engines and not a case of a well trained crew that just got too comfortable with the seemingly limitless performance of a very capable machine.



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25 Post contains links steveg1988 : Almost 15 years ago Yukla 27 crashed taking off from the same base, Bird ingestion on two engines on the E-3's TF-33 Turbofan engines. Similar inciden
26 KC135TopBoom : That is very powerful.........
27 Post contains images A388 : Very sad news, my condolences to the family members of the crew lives lost. Very tragic and I hope they will find the cause of this accident A388
28 Post contains links and images lexy : My deepest condolences for all the crew members. I caught this aircraft landing here in Nashville once a couple years ago. So sad. http://www.flickr.c
29 Post contains links and images AKviator : Photos of the crash site. Horrible accident
30 nutsaboutplanes : WOW..... the force of the impact must have been imense, they only thing that I recognize is the tail. Just terrible. Does anybody know if the military
31 EMBQA : Not like the NTSB does, but often they will announce a finding.
32 fsnuffer : Dies the C-17 have digital flight recorders?
33 KC135TopBoom : Yes, the C-17 is equipped with digital FDRs and CVRs.
34 Galaxy5007 : The findings will be released after the investigation is completed. When C-5B 84-0059 crashed, it was about 3 months before the public release came ou
35 Post contains images rwessel : I don't think the X-26A's at USNTPS are likely to have FDRs or CVRs.
36 ThePointblank : Neither did the F/A-18A/B's, which lacked a crash survivable FDR... don't know if that was fixed.
37 Post contains links ZANL188 : Must have been - here's a company that makes the standard F-18 recorder... http://www.drs.com/Products/c3a/DFIRS.aspx
38 KC135TopBoom : Actually, most US military aircraft are being retrofitted with DIFDRs and DCVRs. Until the last few years, only the C-5, C-17, and KC-10 had them (as
39 ZANL188 : IIRC the T-43 involved in the Ron Brown accident didn't have a recorder and the VIP fleet got them as a result.
40 KC135TopBoom : Correct. At the time that airplane was designated as a CT-43A (B-737-200) and was not fitted with a VIP interior. It was big enough to fly that sized
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