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Russia Forest Fires Destroy Naval Airbase?  
User currently offlinePhotoLPPT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7741 times:

Hello all,

Fair use excerpt:

"The forest fire has destroyed a large Russian naval base outside Moscow. Its occurred on July 29, but became known only on August 3. A Russian news agency, Life News, was the first to report about the incident: according to its data, 200 aircraft with the value of about $ 670 million had been reduced to ashes outside Moscow."

in: http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2010/08/03/12344.shtml

Anyone with more info on this? Aircraft damaged, etc? Seems to be Kolomna Air Base, from the first news reports.


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User currently offlineRevelation From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7729 times:

http://bmpost.com/10983.html has a denial of the main story, but:


The department clarified that, indeed,” July 29, riding the fire spread to the territory of one of the units in the Kolomna district. “The result was a fire in the technical area, where there were write-offs and automotive equipment – reported in the Defense Ministry. – As a result of actions taken on the same day the fire was localized and extinguished”.

User currently offlineRevelation From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7726 times:

Another source http://www.cawa.fr/russian-hellish-f...jets-burnt-down-article004024.html says:


Official spokesman for Investigative Committee, Vladimir Markin, confirmed that an initial inquiry into the fire is being conducted by the Military Investigations Department of the Moscow Military District. The fire occurred on Thursday 29 July. It took place at about 04:00 pm on the base of storage of aviation and technical equipment of the Navy of Russia, located near the town of Kolomna, Moscow Region, Markin said to Interfax news agency.

Admittedly he said nothing about 200 jets and helicopters and 20 million rubles, but pointed out that the HQ, the financial unit, the club, two boxes of Automobile Park, 13 storage facilities with aviation for different purposes, 17 open areas for storage of equipment with cars on them, were burned down.

"On July 30 the hotbeds of fire were localized. No one was suffered as a result of fire", said Markin.

According to unofficial data, the Central Aerotechnical Base (CAB) of the Air Force and Air Defense of the Russian Navy is located on the outskirts of the town of Kolomna (Shurovo District).

User currently offlineoly720man From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7685 times:

According to this


It's just a storage facility, here


No aircraft, no airbase.

User currently offlineLumberton From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7126 times:

Der Spiegel reports 200 aircraft and helos "burned to the ground".


Meanwhile, a military garrison 70 kilometers outside Moscow has moved all its rockets and artillery to a safer location as wildfires advance in the region. On Wednesday, President Dmitry Medvedev dismissed several military officers after a fire ravaged another military base, burning 200 aircraft and helicopters to the ground. And all hazardous material has been removed from the Sarov nuclear research facility, around 480 kilometers (300 miles) east of Moscow. Fires have been raging just a few kilometers away from the site.

User currently offlineSpacepope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7053 times:

NPR reported the same figure on their morning report of the Russian fires. It will be interesting to see the truth.

What kind of aircraft are the Russians using on these fires? IIRC I saw MI-8/17s with bambi buckets, but they had convesion kits for MI-14, AN-32 and IL-76 for water bombing.

User currently offlineAesma From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7037 times:

Lot of conflicting info. 670 millions for 200 aircraft seems odd, 200 aircraft on a base would surely include fighters, cargo, maybe tankers, worth a lot more than that.

Also, I don't see how a big base can burn entirely, I mean concrete doesn't burn. Maybe because it's built on peat ?

User currently offlineLumberton From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6922 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 6):
I mean concrete doesn't burn.

Yes, but depending on the surrounding heat, the hangars can catch fire and the aircraft inside can burn. Also, aircraft parked on the runway would be vulnerable as well, especially if there were flaming debris. There are also news reports that 13 hangars burned to the ground.

For now, the Russians are not confirming anything and are publicly trying to debunk the notion that "200 aircraft" were lost.


Medvedev did not elaborate about the equipment lost at base 2512, but implied “the consequences were heavy,” and that it was a result of “criminal negligence.” Medvedev officially reprimanded the Commander of the Russian Navy, Admiral Vladimir Vysotsky, and his First Deputy and Chief of Naval Staff, Admiral Alexander Tatarinov. Medvedev fired the Russian navy’s Chief of Logistics, Rear Admiral Sergei Sergeyev, and the Chief of Naval aviation, Major-General Nikolai Kuklev. Medvedev ousted three colonels: the commandant of 2512 base and two of Kuklev’s deputies. Under orders from Medvedev, Defense Minister, Anatoly Serdyukov, ousted five officers that served at base 2512 (Kommersant, August 5). Medvedev declared that further dismissals were possible later, after the entire crisis is finally defused (www.news.kremlin.ru, August 4).

The severity of the punishment handed out by Medvedev for a fire at a supply base that did not involve any human casualties surely reflects his overall anger, but also would indicate a large quantity of essential equipment was lost. The replacement of supplies lost at base 2512 could require billions of rubles, years of effort and, in some cases, may be simply impossible as the crisis in Russia’s defense industry has made the production of some essential components virtually impossible. Elements of Russian naval aviation could be grounded for a long time and maybe indefinitely, including the Su-33 jet fighters on Russia’s only aircraft carrier, the Kuznetsov. The Su-33 is no longer produced and reportedly at least four new Su-33 jet engines were destroyed at base 2512 (Vedomosti, August 5). The 2512 base contained 65,000 tons of equipment, which might have been entirely destroyed. An airborne forces supply base (3370) was damaged by fire near the 2512 base, but its losses seem less significant (Kommersant, August 4).

[Edited 2010-08-06 11:23:11]

Edit: This is eerily reminiscent of the large ammunition facility fire back in the '80s where much of the North Sea Fleet's offensive ammo was destroyed.

[Edited 2010-08-06 11:26:50]

User currently offlineSpacepope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6692 times:

New article out claiming it was mostly supplies (footwear, uniforms) and aircraft cannons/parts. Amongst the casualties were 4 AL-31 engines.


User currently offlineSpacepope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6569 times:

Airpower used:


Italian Canadair


User currently offlineOroka From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6513 times:

Yeah, this never happened. A small supply depot with some jet engines stored in shipping cans were destroyed. There is no base, no 200 aircraft. Just trucks and a train. Who in their right mind would believe this drivel? 'Hey, we have 200 aircraft, but had no idea a giant forest fire was coming, and had to leave our $600m worth of flyable aircraft behind.'



User currently offlineRevelation From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 16 hours ago) and read 6230 times:

Quoting Oroka (Reply 10):
A small supply depot with some jet engines stored in shipping cans were destroyed.

I think the quote in #7 may disagree with this assessment. Surely 200 aircraft were not destroyed, but Medvedev describes the consequences of the loss as "heavy" and several have paid for this foul-up with their careers.

User currently offlineLumberton From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5806 times:

Der Spiegel casts doubts on the Kremlin's claims and alleges a "cover up" of the true scale of the disaster. Warning: this is a very scathing article.


As the Russian wildfires continue to burn, the Kremlin's spin machine is in high gear, as the government attempts to cover up the true scale of the disaster. The country's leadership duo, Dmitry Medvedev and Vladimir Putin, have been using the same PR stunts and propaganda gimmicks they have relied on in the past.
Russian newspapers also buried on their back pages the story that one of the country's largest chemical weapons storage facilities was threatened by the fires. The Maradykovo arsenal, established in 1941, is located in the village of Mirny in the Kirov region. It is here that Moscow stores aerial bombs filled with 6,900 tons of nerve gases like sarin and soman, which the military has been gradually destroying since 2006.

Did the blaze in a munitions factory outside Perm on Wednesday night also have something to do with the wildfires? There was a series of explosions at the facility, which has a long history, having produced explosives for the feared Katyusha rockets during World War II. Shortly beforehand, not far from Perm, a number of villages had burned down.
Russia is burning. One leading political scientist compared the current situation to the country having to simultaneously deal with Chernobyl and the 1987 flight of Mathias Rust. At the time, the Chernobyl disaster made it clear that Moscow could not handle nuclear energy, while the daredevil flight of the German pilot Rust, who seemingly appeared out of nowhere to land his Cessna on Red Square, exposed the weaknesses of the purportedly powerful Red Army. But now, says the political scientist, it appears that Russia, which is supposedly becoming strong once again, has no firetrucks, no firefighting aircraft, no forestry workers and no geographical maps to locate the areas that require extinguishing.

These are essentially consequences of Putin's policies. It was the former KGB colonel who, in the wake of the Beslan school hostage crisis in the Caucasus region, abolished governor elections. Since 2004, in order to "more effectively" deal with emergency situations, the governors have all been handpicked. The most important thing is that they should be loyal and do what Moscow says. This means that the Kremlin has effectively made its governors into puppets that rarely take action without instructions from headquarters.

User currently offlineTugger From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5729 times:

Does any one have coordinates for this base? Does it show up on satellite pics?


User currently offlineTugger From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5565 times:

Could it be this base:

+55° 34' 20.76", +38° 8' 23.76"



Its the only one that i could find in the area that fit the news. I could see how a fire could do serious damage to aircraft kept here. Especially if there are aircraft stored "safe" from the elements in the hangars that can be seen.


User currently offlineSpacepope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5536 times:

Hope that's not it, there are a LOT of rare aircraft there. A couple of bears, badgers, blackjacks and concordskis. Lots of TU-204s,MiG-29s and SU-27s too. Don't think they'll miss the IL-76 and A-50s too much though...

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