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User currently offlinespudh From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 301 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 19295 times:

I've just been trawling the web for ages looking for a good read on Military Aviation subjects when it occured to me that you guys would be the best demograph to recommend a reading list. I did a search to see if a topic like this is alive but couldn't find any.


So to get the ball rolling I've picked 3 good reads:

Boyd, The fighter pilot who changed the art of war; Robert Coram.
This is a simply excellent read, very hard to put down once you've started. Paints a really good picture of a flawed genius and gives a good insider view of Pentagon politics. Gives a great insight into what makes a good fighter while telling a great human story at the same time. Really a must read for mil-av fans.

Tomcat! The Grumman F-14 Story; Paul T Gillcrist.
This is probably the best all round Tomcat book printed (and I should know, I've got just about every one of them!) with brilliant photos throughout and is coming from an authority on the F-14 and Naval Aviation in general. If you're a Tomcat fan this is the one to have. It also makes an interesting counterpoint to Boyds book as the F-14 is just about the antithesis of everything Boyd espouses.

The Pentagon Paradox, The Development of the F-18 Hornet; James Perry Stevenson.
Another great book. A heavy enough read with loads of tables, appendices etc and not as flowing as Corams book above but impulsive reading none the same. Gives an amazing analysis of the Lightweight Fighter competition (birthplace of the F-16 and F-18) but also the extreme politics of weapon procurement in the US. Gives excellent analysis of weaponology (although a bit out of date as printed in 1993) and gives great airing to Boyd and Pierre Spreys theories on warfare. It sets the scene dramatically in the introduction where the Author basically de-bunks two of his previously notable published works on the F14 and F15 (from which I've often quoted in debates on here so I may have re-appraise my position in a few arguments!) as being (unintentionally!) informed by Pentagon propaganda and just keeps going in that vein.


Well, there you have my three recommendations, thanks in advance to anyone who post a few lines on their favorite mil-av reads!

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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4881 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 19300 times:

I loved reading Sled Driver and The Untouchables (Brian Shul and Walter Watson are responsible for those). The original editions are hard to find, and the current limited editions are ferociously expensive (and extremely well produced books).

Quoting spudh (Thread starter):
Tomcat! The Grumman F-14 Story; Paul T Gillcrist.

I may look for that one.


User currently offlinespudh From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 301 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 19270 times:

Quoting cpd (Reply 1):
I loved reading Sled Driver and The Untouchables (Brian Shul and Walter Watson are responsible for those). The original editions are hard to find, and the current limited editions are ferociously expensive (and extremely well produced books).

Yeah, I'm dying to get my hands on those, supposed to be a great read but they are just too expensive!


User currently offlinegphoto From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 833 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 19227 times:
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Hi spudh,

Quoting spudh (Thread starter):
Tomcat! The Grumman F-14 Story; Paul T Gillcrist.

I guess you've got his book, "Feet Wet - Reflections of a Carrier Pilot" which is a great read too. Full of anecdotes of his time as a naval aviator, from the highs to the lows, from triumph to tragedy. Another book you cannot put down once you have started.

Best regards,

Jim



Erm, is this thing on?
User currently offlinespudh From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 301 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 18197 times:

Okay, here's another one for you Sled Driver lovers:

Skunk Works, by Ben R Rich and Leo Janos. ISBN 0-316-74330-5
This is a cracking read, generally narrated by Rich himself, who succeeded the legendary Kelly Johnson as head of Lockheed's Skunk Works, but liberally interspersed with articles from Test Pilots, Generals and Engineers involved in each of the projects from the U2, SR-71 and F117 among others. Rich was one of the main proponents of stealth technology and this book is a must read for anyone interested in any of these aircraft. I found the book particularly well written and it never waned from start to finish.
Highly recommended.


User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4881 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 9 hours ago) and read 18187 times:

Thanks for the recommendation.  

I ended up spending big dollars on Porsche: Excellence was expected, the 3 volume history of everything Porsche from the early years right through to modern day cars like the dominant RS Spyder, 911-GT1 and Panamera written by the legendary Karl Ludvigsen with help from Porsche (even Ferry Porsche helped out in sourcing information and material from what I hear).

Not strictly aviation related I know (it does have the Porsche PFM3200 plane engine in it though). Karl Ludvigsen is a genius, I don't think I've come across any other books with the same depth of detail and authority (on any subject) as his. I particularly loved the section on the Porsche 917 and Can-Am racing, along with the Porsche F1 projects section (TAG-Turbo success and the Footwork debacle), along with the later bits on the GT1/GT2 cars, and the Carrera GT. It is interspersed with funny little anecdotes from Porsche people - especially from Norbert Singer, the enormously skilled veteran engineer who loved to drive rule-makers mad by finding loopholes in their supposedly well thought out rules.  

I particularly loved the bit where in Group 5 racing, the 935 was very dominant, so the rule-makers allowed the cars to have their floors higher (allowing easier routing of their exhausts to the back on front-engine cars). What they didn't expect was that Norbert Singer would raise the floor of the rear-engined 935, and then drop the ride-height by an equal amount!   The inspectors had to admit it was all irrefutably legal.  

The PFM 3200 engine was quite interesting compared with others, and they showed one in a Cessna. I also never knew that Porsche was behind the flight-deck design for the Airbus A300/A310 aircraft, another of the bits covered in the book. It's surprising just how many different non-automobile projects they were involved in.

You also have to wonder, if they'd continued in aircraft engine construction - where would the standards be now?


User currently offlinebj87 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 18127 times:

Jane's all the world aircraft might be interesting. It lists both military and commercial planes with a brief history of each. It contains a lot of rare planes and pictures.

Mind you the book will cost you a small fortune. But it can be yours for only 877.28 dollars and for that you even get free shipping!!!

http://www.amazon.com/Janes-Worlds-A...UTF8&qid=1295874559&sr=8-2

(edit; The latest version 2010-2011 is on sale for only 1045 dollars enjoy!)

[Edited 2011-01-24 05:13:32]

User currently offlineAgill From Sweden, joined Feb 2004, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 18086 times:

Quoting bj87 (Reply 6):

Mind you the book will cost you a small fortune. But it can be yours for only 877.28 dollars and for that you even get free shipping!!!

http://www.amazon.com/Janes-Worlds-A...UTF8&qid=1295874559&sr=8-2

(edit; The latest version 2010-2011 is on sale for only 1045 dollars enjoy!)

Man that is one expensive book I must say.


User currently offlinespudh From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 301 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 17435 times:

Quoting cpd (Reply 1):
I loved reading Sled Driver and The Untouchables (Brian Shul and Walter Watson are responsible for those). The original editions are hard to find, and the current limited editions are ferociously expensive (and extremely well produced books).

Woohoo!! I just won a copy of The Untouchables on ebay!!! Happy Days 


User currently offlinespudh From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 301 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 16296 times:

The Warthog and the Close Air Support Debate by Douglas N Campbell, ISBN 1557502323

I found this another fascinating read, really well written. I could hardly put it down after I started it. Campbell does not concentrate too much on the A-10 itself, there are better fact books out there (Mike Spicks Great Book of modern warplanes being the best), but more on the history of CAS and the USAF/US Army hate/hate relationship with carrying out this role. It gives a great analysis of CAS all the way from WW1 through to GW1. It takes the development of the A-10 right from its inception back in 1960's through its various fly offs all the way to actual combat employment. It does an honest job of assessing the A-10's strengths/weakness's without a hint of rose tinted glasses. I think this is a must read for for anyone interested in the CAS debate and is particularly pertinent with the F-35B future hanging in the balance at the moment.

If I was to criticise the book, there were one or two things that disappointed. Two small things were that the book would have benfitted from more photos and that a good fifth of the book is actually references so it finishes before you expect. The only real criticism is that I'd have liked a lot more analysis of the A-10's actual combat performance in the Gulf War. The whole book had threaded so many facets of the development of CAS together so well right upto that point that I felt it just needed a 'lessons learned ' section to complete it (this is where the big section of references annoyed me, I wasn't ready for the book to finish ). Here was the first combat deployment of the first US airframe specifically designed for CAS and I thought that following the vein of the rest of the book with more analysis of the design assumptions v combat reallities would have finished the book off perfectly. If it seems I'm being a lttle harsh thats because the rest of the book really was that good!


User currently offlineTUGMASTER From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Jul 2004, 723 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16003 times:

Can't believe no one has mention...

Chickenhawk by Robert Mason

It's about a young lad who wanted to fly... found he could do it for free in the US Army..
Ended up in Vietnam ..
Anyway... a great read.
probably one of the best.

ENJOY


User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2124 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15944 times:

Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 10):
Chickenhawk by Robert Mason

Glad you mentioned it! That was the first novel I read by choice, I was in high school at the time, and it was especially interesting to me as my Dad was a Huey pilot in Nam 68/69, I was born at Ft. Rucker after he returned and was instructor piloting there (and he still flies civvy Hueys to this day).

It was a great book, couldn't put it down but didn't mention here because I haven't revisited it as an adult and not sure how it would stand up now for other people that didn't have such an obvious bias towards liking it as I did as a kid.



Here Here for Severe Clear!
User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2124 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 15942 times:

Also I would love to read most of the books mentioned above, especially the ones on the F-14 that spud talked about and the SR-71 ones that cpd lists... 2 of my 3 favorite birds and those books sound like an excellent read. Someday...


Here Here for Severe Clear!
User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 15917 times:

A definite must read "Tail-End Charlies: The Last Battles of the Bomber War, 1944--45".

User currently offlinespudh From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 301 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 15744 times:

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 11):
It was a great book, couldn't put it down but didn't mention here because I haven't revisited it as an adult and not sure how it would stand up now for other people that didn't have such an obvious bias towards liking it as I did as a kid.

Same as that, I read it years ago as a teenager and absolutely loved it  . I had a Lego Technics helicopter back then that had a working collective operating a swash plate but I didn't really get it until I read Chickenhawk. I remember feeling that I could go out, sit into a Huey and fly it after reading the book it was so descriptive. Funnily enough I just clicked on it in amazon a few days ago and was thinking I wouldn't mind reading it again.

For anyone doing a search the ISBN no is 0143035711


User currently offlinechrisco1204 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 15710 times:

Quoting spudh (Thread starter):

Tomcat! The Grumman F-14 Story; Paul T Gillcrist.

I've read it. A really great read. Especially for all the Top Gun movie buffs out there.


User currently offlinegeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 14552 times:

If you're interested in the Viet Nam "conflict", and the air war there, the best thing I ever read on it was "Thud Ridge" by Col. Jack Broughten ; ( I'm going from memory on his name, so it may be a little "off" ) Fantastic account of why so damn many of our planes got shot down needlessly; ( mainly due to the innate stupidity of Robert McNamara, then SecDef, and of course, the infamous L.B.J. ! ) ( I get pissed just thinking about those idiots, as do all pilots and air crew who had their B
butts "hanging out" ! )

A lot of this book deals with what happens when bureaucrats try to "micro-manage" aerial combat in S.E.Asia, while sitting on their fat asses behind desks in Washington, D.C.; planes are lost and men are lost, and all for no reason; Mac Namara
even admits to some extent in his "declining years". If you love military aviation, and despise ignorant, arrogant politicians, read this book..................

Charley



Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein
User currently offlinerheite From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14491 times:

How has nobody mention the greatest saterical novel Catch-22:

http://www.amazon.com/Catch-22-50th-..._1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1328166676&sr=8-1

I read this growing up, even managed to get Col Olds to sign a photo of his May 4th kill when we ran into him at the airshow they used to put on in Louisville. It does have alot of photos, but some excellent easy reading on air combat in Vietnam:

http://www.amazon.com/Kill-MiGs-Comb..._1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1328166688&sr=8-2



-R.K. Heite Sr
User currently offlinespudh From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 301 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14230 times:

Quoting gphoto (Reply 3):
I guess you've got his book, "Feet Wet - Reflections of a Carrier Pilot" which is a great read too. Full of anecdotes of his time as a naval aviator, from the highs to the lows, from triumph to tragedy. Another book you cannot put down once you have started.

Best regards,

Jim

Jim,

I finally picked up this one up before Christmas on your recommendation. Thanks a million, I really enjoyed it, its a top read, couldn't put it down just like you said. Gilchrists description of carrier night traps in marginal weather is something that has remained vivid in my imagination, carrier flyboys can only be held in the highest repect after thinking about the guys in tankers who took off from the safety of a carrier deck to re-gas guys who couldn't land on that same carrier because conditions were so bad!!! OMG

Spudh


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4778 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14217 times:

Chickenhawk is probably the best book written about helicopter flying in Vietnam.


All of Gilchrist's books are brilliant.


Currently reading 'Fighter Pilot' by General Robin Old's who served as a P38 and P51 Pilot and was an Ace in WW2, he
finished his career flying F4's in Vietnam, an amazing career.


Of course, Catch 22 us simply one of the best books of all time.



The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.
User currently offlinesprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1855 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14184 times:

I'll put in one


Flying Fortress by Edward Jablonski
http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Fortress-Edward-Jablonski/dp/0385038550

Talks about the B-17 from the old 299 to the last one, and the bloody 100th. Lots of great stories and details.


Dan in Jupiter


User currently offlinespudh From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 301 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 12752 times:

A good opportunity here for an A.netter nut with £4,000 burning a hole in their pocket.

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/complete-coll...pt=Non_Fiction&hash=item2ec0006301

Amazing to have a collection like that at your finger tips.


User currently offlineAviRaider From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 12547 times:

If you like fiction I'd recommend anything written by Dale Brown. His stories have that Tom Clancy feel but is focused more on military aviation.

And if you like space history the biography of Gene Kranz, the famous Apollo era mission director, "Failure is not an Option," is a real good read and insight in the early space program days.


User currently offlinespudh From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 301 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7112 times:

Just finished another good read:

Moon Dust: In search of the men who fell to Earth
by Andrew Smith
ISBN 0747563691

This is a very enjoyable read, being focused on the human side of the Apollo Program it's not very technical but it does have some interesting descriptions of the actual moon landings.
The author describes how the idea of the book came to him after he had been interviewing Charlie Duke of Apollo 16 for a magazine during which Charlie took a phone call informing him of the death of Pete Conrad. Charlie's words "Now there are just nine of us" prompted Smith to interview the remaining 9 of 12 people who stood on the moon.
He focus's on how each of the men felt as they were on the moon and how their personal lives evolved after that momentous experience.

Smith peppers the book with interesting asides (such as Aldrin decking that conspiracy theorist) and his own reflections on the men and the whole Apollo Program. He does an interesting job on weighing up whether the Apollo Program was worth the $billions invested to be abandoned in 1972.

I really enjoyed this book.


User currently offlinerc135x From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6815 times:

Books which reaffirmed my interest in aviation literature (as well as flying) are Robert L. Scott God is My Copilot, Antoine de St-Exupery Night Flight, and William Green Warplanes of the Third Reich.

On the U-2 read anything by Chris Pocock and Paul Crickmore is excellent on the SR-71. Jay Miller is an equally excellent author with extensive contacts.

More than anything else I would recommend reading the first 20 years or so (available in bound editions) of Air Enthusiast/Air International. Bill Gunston, David Anderton, and some of the other great pioneers defined the modern world of aviation writing.


User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2843 posts, RR: 12
Reply 25, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6869 times:

I forgot this thread was around. I read this one: JG 7: The Worlds First Jet Fighter Unit 1944/1945 a few months ago and thought it was a great read. The author did a great job dispelling a lot of myths around the Me262. From how it would have supposedly changed the war if Hitler didn't say it was to be a ground attack plane as well, something I thought he debunked fairly well to showing just how poor the industrial situation in Nazi Germany was at that time. That plane was a death trap to a lot of men that flew it early on.

Great interviews with ex-Luftwaffe pilots as well.



The beatings will continue until morale improves
User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2541 posts, RR: 14
Reply 26, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6805 times:

- "Strategic Bombing by the United States in World War II" by Stuart Halsey Ross.

- "No End Save Victory", by various authors. It gives an account of several highly interesting, and often-unknown settings of World War II, for example the 10th MAS (tenth light flotilla) of the Italian Navy. Its divers housed in a ship wreck near Gibraltar and went on to make raids on British military shipping. It also features the story of a doomed German propaganda movie project, where much-needed fighter aircraft were tied up in the shootings.

- "Concorde: The story of a supersonic pioneer" by Kenneth Owen.


More to come.  


David



Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 887 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6832 times:

Quoting spudh (Thread starter):
Tomcat! The Grumman F-14 Story; Paul T Gillcrist.
This is probably the best all round Tomcat book printed (and I should know, I've got just about every one of them!) with brilliant photos throughout and is coming from an authority on the F-14 and Naval Aviation in general. If you're a Tomcat fan this is the one to have. It also makes an interesting counterpoint to Boyds book as the F-14 is just about the antithesis of everything Boyd espouses.

There is a book dedicated to my favorite aircraft of all time....?

Sold.



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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2954 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6787 times:

I happen to be a fan of Russian jets like the SU-27 and Mig-29 so for me these 2 titles were a must buy when they first came out. At the time they cost about $60 each but look at the outrageous prices on the used market  http://www.amazon.com/Mikoyan-MiG-29...=1375050284&sr=1-2&keywords=mig-29

http://www.amazon.com/Sukhoi-Su-27-F...d=1375050171&sr=8-3&keywords=su-27

I was also interested in this out of print book on the mig-21 but luckily I found a free pirated pdf file on the web thus saving me $900 bucks

http://www.amazon.com/Mikoyan-MiG-21...craft/dp/1857802578/ref=pd_sim_b_5



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User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 29, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6639 times:

If you like to read about spy planes and the guys who flew them, take this link to the Roadrunner's website; lot of very interesting stories here, and it's all free.


http://roadrunnersinternationale.com/



Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein
User currently offlinespudh From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 301 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6511 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 29):
If you like to read about spy planes and the guys who flew them, take this link to the Roadrunner's website; lot of very interesting stories here, and it's all free.

Great Link Geezer!! Thats me sorted for reading material for a while  
Quoting cjg225 (Reply 27):
There is a book dedicated to my favorite aircraft of all time....?

Sold

There is a veritable library of books dedicated to the F-14, its up there with the Spitfire and Mustang for publishing history. Another really good book on the F-14 is from the Janes 'At the Controls' Series. If you're an F-14 fan this is another must have as it is different from any of the more factual books which are the norm on the subject. Written by David Rockwell it doesn't dwell too long on the development of the F-14 concentrating on the operation of the various systems of the Tomcat. The book culminates in a postulated dogfight between 2 F-14's and 2 Su-27's complete with fully described ribbin analysis. Very enjoyable.

Jane's How to Fly and Fight the F-14 Tomcat; ISBN no 000472254X

Quoting alberchico (Reply 28):
I happen to be a fan of Russian jets like the SU-27 and Mig-29 so for me these 2 titles were a must buy when they first came out

Again there is an execllent read in the Jane's At the Controls' Series. This one is written by Jon Lake who has different, more factual style of writing to Rockwell above but is excellent at the same time.

Jane's How to fly and fight in the Mikoyan Mig-29; ISBN no 0004721446


User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 31, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6331 times:

I'm glad to see this thread is still up, because I just found a "must have" book for anyone who loves airplanes, likes to read about them, or look at pictures of them.

I've probably had this book for 3 or 4 years, but I had forgotten about it until yesterday; I received an email which led me to wanting to do some research, which led me to looking through my bookcase, (which has a LOT of books in it), and when I ran across this book again, I spent the better part of the day with it. The title of it is: "A Century Of Manned Flight" by Richard Townshend Bickers. (Rather unusual middle name, that  This thing is 12 in. high, by 11 in. wide, by an inch thick.

It's not just a picture book either, although I think there is at least one photograph of every airplane ever built in it; it also has a lot of very interesting information about almost all airplanes. In my early career, (delivering av fuel to about 5 airlines at CVG, I had an opportunity to sit in the right hand seat of a Martin 404, and actually taxi the thing out to the far end of the airport, where the mechs were taking it to "run up" the engines; sure enough, there is a great picture of a Martin 404 in the book !

But here's the best news of all.........on a whim, I had my wife "google" the book.....and six seconds later, there it is, right on Amazon ! $12 new, bunch of "used" starting at $ .01 !

If you really love to look at airplanes, getting a copy of this book for twelve bucks is the best bargain I've heard about lately.
As I mentioned, I found this book on google in seconds; if you need it, the ISBN # is 1-85833-851-4

So much for that.........

If you're interested in hearing an unbelievable story, read on, and I'll explain why I was trying to find this book yesterday; You have never heard anything like this before.

I was on a website recently, and I got to "chatting" with this fellow, who seemed to me to be rather "gloomy" ? or "down" ?
I could tell he wanted to contribute to the discussion, but he seemed afraid to; so I sent him a PM; when he PM's me back, he explained that he was Jewish, and he seemed to assume that no one would want to hear anything from a Jew; so I PM'd him back, kinda told him I was interested in why he was "down"; my modem got fried by a lightning stroke shortly after I sent the 2nd PM, so I was offline for a week or so; when I got back on, I had this long message waiting. It's gonna be hard to tell this briefly, but I'll try;

The guy says his family lived in Berlin; about the time WW2 was just starting, one of his uncles went to Scotland to help build something; soon after the uncle writes the guy's dad, (his brother), to come to Scotland, and make money; his dad went to Scotland also; for a year, the dad and his Mom were writing back & forth; one day the Gestapo comes knocking, arrests the Mom, says you're going to the concentration camp for being a spy ! Then it turned out, a couple years before the war started, the uncle (who is now in Scotland) had been a big lawyer, and this big-shot Gestapo guy had got in some huge bind, and the lawyer uncle had got him "off", but then the Gestapo guy had "stiffed" to uncle, and never paid him; so now, this SAME Gestapo guy says to the mom......I will give yiou 3 days to be gone from Germany, if you are here on the 4th day, it's off to Aushwitz for you and your children; the mom left the next day, and the guy i"m talking to was born in Scotland a few years later; but that's not all; near the end of the war, all of this guy's aunts and uncles had been taken to Aushwitz, and on this one day, a dozen had been put in this big oven; just as the Nazi's were starting the oven up, there was an air raid; B-17's dropped bombs, and one bomb actually blew the doors off of the oven, killed the germans, and the family members IN the oven were able to escape, and finally made it to America !

The reason I wanted to find this book, was to check for information about Charles Lindbergh; many are unaware that Lindbergh was a Nazi sympathizer; ( as as read a lot, I was already aware of this); I found in this book, on page 107, a photograph of Charles Lindbergh, briskly striding across an airfield in Berlin in 1936, with 3 other men. The man nearest the camera is a Nazi Officer; you must see the picture to see what I mean.........If the late, great Cicil B. DeMille was ever making an "epic" about Nazi Germany, and he needed a stereotypical Nazi Officer in a scene, this Officer in this picture with Charles Lindbergh would be a dead-lock for the part !

There is a Holochaust Museum in Terre Haute near where I live; the lady who runs it is herself, a survivor of Aushwitz; she has devoted her entire life to speaking out about the holachaust; I have met her; as soon as I can contact her again, I intend to see to it that this mans story gets into that Museum for others to read.



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User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 887 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6267 times:

Quoting spudh (Reply 30):
There is a veritable library of books dedicated to the F-14, its up there with the Spitfire and Mustang for publishing history. Another really good book on the F-14 is from the Janes 'At the Controls' Series. If you're an F-14 fan this is another must have as it is different from any of the more factual books which are the norm on the subject. Written by David Rockwell it doesn't dwell too long on the development of the F-14 concentrating on the operation of the various systems of the Tomcat. The book culminates in a postulated dogfight between 2 F-14's and 2 Su-27's complete with fully described ribbin analysis. Very enjoyable.

Jane's How to Fly and Fight the F-14 Tomcat; ISBN no 000472254X

Awesome. Thanks.

My nightstand book stack is down to one book, which I am currently reading. I was thinking this morning that I'll have to do something unusual and dig through my ridiculously large book collection to find some of my favorite books and reread them. This would give me some new material and nothing that is a repeat, since I didn't even know such books existed. Still will reread some stuff, though... that mentions the F-14.   I realize I haven't read a lot of Clancy books in forever. I need to dig out The Hunt for Red October, Red Storm Rising, and a few others and reread those. Been quite awhile. They've got some F-14 action in them.  



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User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1913 posts, RR: 2
Reply 33, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6074 times:
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"Empire of the Clouds" James Hamilton;
Is a great look at the British aircraft industry post WWII. Shows how they abandoned their advances in technology due to poor political decision making. Its a little melancholy. 5*****

"Vulcan 607" Rowland White;
Great blow by blow account of the hastily organised Black Buck raids on the Falkland Islands which took place 6 months before the planned retirement of the Avro Vulcan bomber. I then watched the documentary on youtube after reading it.Great to see the actual crew members who I had read about in the book. 5*****

"Gunship Ace-The Wars of Neall Ellis";
Entertaining read on the life of this colourful character. Not huge in terms of overall aviation content. 3***

"The Mind of War:John Boyd and American Security" Grant Hammond;
Great read on the impact this man had on US and global aircraft design and operation. 4****

"Riding Rockets" Mike Mullane;
A riveting read detailing the STS operation and culture in the mid 1980's. Really enjoyed it. 5*****


User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2954 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5979 times:

http://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-C...rds=encyclopedia+of+civil+aircraft


http://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-W...craft/dp/0517362856/ref=pd_sim_b_2

http://www.amazon.com/The-Great-Book...the+great+book+of+modern+warplanes

I own all of these books and they're excellent....

[Edited 2013-08-06 04:45:54]


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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2124 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5944 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 33):
"The Mind of War:John Boyd and American Security" Grant Hammond;
Great read on the impact this man had on US and global aircraft design and operation. 4****

Which one is better, this book or the official biography of him "BOYD - The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War "?

I'm going to buy one this week, just wanted opinions on which is the more definitive read.


Thanks.



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User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1913 posts, RR: 2
Reply 36, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5929 times:
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@HaveBlue... I only read the Grant Hammond book so can't give you a comparison. It focused more on Boyd's impact and less on his personal life. The author did however have access to Boyd himself. Perhaps if the official autobiography is newer it may have more info on current impact from Boydian theory.

User currently offlinespudh From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 301 posts, RR: 1
Reply 37, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5913 times:

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 35):
Which one is better, this book or the official biography of him "BOYD - The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War "?I'm going to buy one this week, just wanted opinions on which is the more definitive read. Thanks.

Read Corams book if you want to be informed about Boyd, read Hammonds book if you want to be enlightened by Boyd. They're both great books, you'll enjoy either, there is no wrong choice here.


User currently offlinenomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1899 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5880 times:

I second Skunk Works. It's insight into the military procurement system is almost as informative as the U-2 / SR-71 / F117 stories. Kelly Johnson was one of a kind.


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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2954 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5863 times:

The Airwar volumes by Jablonski are also a good read

http://www.amazon.com/Air-War-Four-V...9&sr=8-2&keywords=airwar+jablonski



These are also highly regarded:

http://www.amazon.com/Birds-Prey-Pre...=1-1&keywords=birds+of+prey+drones

http://www.amazon.com/U-S-Naval-Air-...31&keywords=us+carrier+development

http://www.amazon.com/Scooter-The-Do...Story/dp/0859791602/ref=pd_sim_b_3

[Edited 2013-08-06 19:06:54]


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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3875 posts, RR: 1
Reply 40, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks ago) and read 5830 times:

For those who are interested in dogfight tactics...

Fighter Combat: Tactics and Maneuvering by Robert Shaw

http://www.amazon.com/Fighter-Combat...ter+combat+tactics+and+maneuvering


Here's a few of my aviation related books. The "in Action" series and "...And Kill Migs" were purchased back in the 70s. I think these have been discontinued.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/acetaminophen500mg/books1.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/acetaminophen500mg/books5.jpg



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User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1913 posts, RR: 2
Reply 41, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5803 times:
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Quoting spudh (Reply 37):
Read Corams book if you want to be informed about Boyd, read Hammonds book if you want to be enlightened by Boyd.

Nicely phrased.


I think "Skunk Works" deserved a 2nd mention....fantastic book.


User currently offlinerc135x From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 42, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5788 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 40):

Geez, and I thought I was the only other person on the planet who had Falklands: The Air War by BARG. An outstanding book.


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3875 posts, RR: 1
Reply 43, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5746 times:

Quoting rc135x (Reply 42):
Geez, and I thought I was the only other person on the planet who had Falklands: The Air War by BARG.

I have a pretty good collection of aviation books and most were purchased 10 to 30 years ago. I only bought one book in the last 10 years. The internet pretty much changed my reading habit.

I took the pictures for posterity's sake...after all these years, I think it's time for recycling.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/acetaminophen500mg/books6.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/acetaminophen500mg/books7.jpg



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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2954 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5684 times:

http://www.amazon.com/Vietnam-The-War-In-Air/dp/0517629763



This book is an obscure gem on the Vietnam air war for those who need a comprehensive illustrated history...



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12938 posts, RR: 25
Reply 45, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5659 times:

I just posted to the MIG-21 thread that "America's Secret MiG Squadron: The Red Eagles of Project CONSTANT PEG" is a good read...


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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2124 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5584 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 36):
@HaveBlue... I only read the Grant Hammond book so can't give you a comparison. It focused more on Boyd's impact and less on his personal life. The author did however have access to Boyd himself. Perhaps if the official autobiography is newer it may have more info on current impact from Boydian theory.
Quoting spudh (Reply 37):
Read Corams book if you want to be informed about Boyd, read Hammonds book if you want to be enlightened by Boyd. They're both great books, you'll enjoy either, there is no wrong choice here.

Thank you both. I'll probably get Hammonds book as I'm interested in hearing the full story of how he influenced fighter development and tactics.

And Confuscius one of those books brought back memories.. The Cutting Edge. Wasn't that CJ Heater Heatleys pictures and maybe his writing as well? Anyhow I saw that when I was in high school iirc and it was great then.



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User currently offlinerc135x From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 47, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5558 times:

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 46):
The Cutting Edge. Wasn't that CJ Heater Heatleys pictures and maybe his writing as well? Anyhow I saw that when I was in high school iirc and it was great then.

yes, and he's still writing the sequel to Top Gun   


User currently offlinesturmovik From India, joined May 2007, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5447 times:

Quoting rheite (Reply 17):
How has nobody mention the greatest saterical novel Catch-22:

  

Quoting Max Q (Reply 19):
Of course, Catch 22 us simply one of the best books of all time.

and   

Love that book. Bought 7 copies over the course of many years, gave each one away to friends after reading in the hope that they too would see what an awesome book it is.

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 26):
"Concorde: The story of a supersonic pioneer" by Kenneth Owen.

That reminds me.. are there any good books that cover the history of the Tu-144? The books listed here are primarily American. Just to spread out the field a bit, does anyone have any recommendations regarding books that cover Russian, Chinese and European aviation?



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User currently offlinerc135x From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 49, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5424 times:

Quoting sturmovik (Reply 48):
are there any good books that cover the history of the Tu-144?

Although slightly dated Howard Moon's "Soviet SST: The Techno-Politics of the Tupolev 144" is excellent and is easily available at deeply discounted prices. It covers both the airplane and its evolution in Soviet airline context.

I believe Yefim Gordon has a book on the Tu-144 but I seem to recall it was a small production run and no longer available except at very high collector prices.

NASA did some collaborative work on the Tu-144 and those reports may be available on the web.


User currently offlinesturmovik From India, joined May 2007, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5300 times:

Quoting rc135x (Reply 49):
Although slightly dated Howard Moon's "Soviet SST: The Techno-Politics of the Tupolev 144" is excellent and is easily available at deeply discounted prices. It covers both the airplane and its evolution in Soviet airline context.

Thanks for that, will try and read it.  



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User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 887 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5096 times:

Thanks to those posting about good books. And thanks to Amazon.com for having a bunch!

I purchased copies of Tomcat!: The Grumman F-14 Story by Paul Gilcrist, mentioned above, and also Grumman F-14 Tomcat: Bye - bye baby: Images and Reminiscences from 35 Years of Active Service. Both look to be phenomenal books. I can't wait to start reading them. The second one is more just anecdotes and pictures, but the Gilcrist book is actually, well... a cover-to-cover history book. Really pleased with both purchases already. They'll be the last books I purchase for awhile, as I think it's about time for me to dig deep into my massive book collection and start re-reading some of my favorite books.



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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2954 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4163 times:

I own a copy of this book and its a rare gem:

http://www.amazon.com/Air-Wars-Aircraft-Detailed-Present/dp/0816023565



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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2954 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4042 times:

http://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-2...opedia+of+20th+century+air+warfare

http://www.amazon.com/The-Great-Book...-3-spell&keywords=modern+waeplanes

http://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-M...-Paul/dp/1904687849/ref=pd_sim_b_2

I also own these 3 and they can be found quite cheaply on Amazon....



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User currently offlinegroover158 From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3159 times:

Here are my favourite trio of reference books, great pictures and a great amount of very detailed information on these amazing aircraft:

http://www.amazon.com/Hypersonic-Sto...y/dp/1580071317/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_6

http://www.amazon.com/Magnesium-Over...80924063&sr=1-1&keywords=magnesium overcast

http://www.amazon.com/Valkyrie-North...380924284&sr=1-9&keywords=valkyrie xb-70

I know I said trio, but had to include this fantastic book as well, it contains an amazing amount of information:

http://www.amazon.com/Space-Shuttle-...4363&sr=1-3&keywords=space+shuttle


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4778 posts, RR: 19
Reply 55, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2882 times:

'Winged Victory' by VM Yeates.



This book was printed in 1934, it is a story of one Pilot, in a Sopwith Camel Squadron and his combat experiences in WW1.



It is so well written and moving it is as good as it gets.



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