trex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4261 posts, RR: 14 Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5000 times:
The Chinese aren't buying anything they cannot get parts on the commercial market for. They were screwed once before by the US over the S70s 20 years ago. Even HK ended up ditching their GFS S70s because Washington embargoed parts after "reunification" with the PRC and these were civilian choppers of the HK government! Anything with PLA on it will be treated even more stringently.
Oroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 875 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3475 times:
Quoting Burkhard (Reply 11): It is a small gesture of good will - and good will is the most missing quantity on earth...
Well, I guess china probably has picked apart a few C-130s... other than the newest J model, they have all the info they need to rip off Lockheed. It is probably easier for China to buy a few and make copies than to bullshit it from specs.
China is becoming the neighborhood bully... is offering your lunch money to a bully before he takes it a 'good will gesture'?
Burkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4303 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3430 times:
Do you really think that China buys a handful of C130, and then replicates it for selling? You should be aware that:
a) China is in absolute control of the internet through a lot of bot nets, and there is no information on any computer that is connected to the internet that is not copied to China if assumed to be of any relevance. So they do have all the plans, they don't have to measure themselves.
b) China cannot sell copied C130s anywhere. Where are the 707 or MD80 clones China is flooding the market with?
So all that could happen is that China, from operating some C130s, with engineers taking data, gets more insight into what is wrong in typical operation in China, to be considered for future development.
On the other hand, China knows that they have to do something to balance their trade - and the US have little to offer China needs. A handful of C130s would not threaten Taiwan, would not make China's industry the Lockheed of next week, and at least reduce the debth of the US by a tiny bit.
Quote: "No C-130 has gone to China or is being sold to China; this is just a waiver for a contingency plan."
Administration officials told The Cable that the State Department will still need to review and issue licenses for any C-130s that travel to China, and that this waiver was granted at the behest of allied countries.
"A European company that has C-130s wanted to be able to use them in a disaster response in that region and needed the waiver just in case they needed to land in China," a senior administration official told The Cable.
Much like the report that the UK and France would share an aircraft carrier. Not.
"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
trex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4261 posts, RR: 14 Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3254 times:
Quoting Lumberton (Reply 15): Much like the report that the UK and France would share an aircraft carrier. Not.
I'd bet more money on that than C130s going to China!
Quoting Burkhard (Reply 14): a) China is in absolute control of the internet through a lot of bot nets, and there is no information on any computer that is connected to the internet that is not copied to China if assumed to be of any relevance. So they do have all the plans, they don't have to measure themselves.
They had the complete design plans for the RR Spey engine and American Mk 44 torpedo too but even with RR help they had trouble licence manufacturing the Spey and the SAE non metric machine tools they needed for the Mk44 was enough to shelf that and make the Italian A244 instead!
Quoting Burkhard (Reply 14): On the other hand, China knows that they have to do something to balance their trade - and the US have little to offer China needs.
well just as one example they could stop protecting their wind/solar industry and let US companies compete on an equal footing, that could be worth much more long term than any C130 sale. Buick also sells more cars in China than in the US, like more than twice as many, stop the controls on imports and GM could certainly sell many more higher end US made cars in their line up in China, let alone import some mid level cars from the US.