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User currently offlinevarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

So it's saturday morning and i am watching paint dry, when i thought about that?
Can anyone buy an old used fighter jet? Provided it has all its guns and whatnot disabled.
FYI : i am not planning on buying one. Just curious...

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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting varigb707 (Thread starter):
Can anyone buy an old used fighter jet? Provided it has all its guns and whatnot disabled.
FYI : i am not planning on buying one. Just curious...

For the most part yes. I've never seen a private currently active fighters like F-15s or F-16s for example but I've seen private F-4s, MiGs, F-86, L29s and others. There were a few old fighters at the airport I learned to fly in. Obviously all weapon systems are disabled and they are prohibited from breaking the sound barrier, at least over populated areas without permission.

[Edited 2010-11-06 09:48:13]

User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

When we were out a Palmdale earlier this year there were 3 F-100's up for sale. Two for parts and one was flyable.

User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5598 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Someone a few years ago sold an F-18 on Ebay. It wasn't airworthy, but all the parts to make it so were there. The seller did get a visit from the FBI, who determined that it was legit.


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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting dxing (Reply 2):
When we were out a Palmdale earlier this year there were 3 F-100's up for sale. Two for parts and one was flyable.


Where in Palmdale?


User currently offlinephotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2731 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

There used to be a F-104 Starfighter (2 seater version) privately owned out at Williams Gateway east of Phoenix. You could buy rides in the rear seat for a price. Beyond my budget though. The guy who owned it took people up to help defray the costs of flying and maintaining it.

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14003 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

A friend of mine owns a 1953 Lockheed T-33A, on which I´m sometimes working. He also flies L-39 jet trainers, which he charters from time to time.

Jan


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

There is a military surplus store on the I-30 service road west of Texarkana. Out front sits an Aardvark (F-111). For many years there was an F-105.

I stopped by there once in the 90s, and the owner told me he buys an aircraft for salvage from DMA and has it trucked to Texas. Then he lets it sit out front until the USAF complains and he scraps the bird. And buys another. Takes about 10-15 years per aircraft, and they make great advertising.

And by waiting so long, usually the increase in scrap metal prices pays for the transportation costs.


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting varigb707 (Thread starter):
Can anyone buy an old used fighter jet?


Anyone can buy a used fighter jet. However, to operate it you better have lots of money.


User currently offlinevarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 4):
Where in Palmdale?

California. I think. I could be wrong.


User currently offlinevarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

thanks all for your replies!   

User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Adding to the list of ex fighters already mentioned, there is also a few civilian F-104 Starfighters, which I have had the pleasure to have seen many times. They are based out of Clearwater, FL. Collins Foundation also has an F-105 that either is or will be airworthy soon. Collins also has the F-4 Phantom. I've also seen privately owned and flown Panthers, Cougars, MiG-15's, MiG-17's, L-29's, L-39's, there are civilian Saab Drakens and T-38 Talons.


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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2921 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Don't forget the two private SU-27s based out of Rockford, IL.

Also there are private companies that fly fighters to train the military (DACM, targets for EW, naval surface ship targets), I've seen Kfirs, A-4s, Hunters and Alphaets flown by these companies recently.



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User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7279 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

There are also some private Blackburn Buccaneers flying in South Africa.

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14003 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 32767 times:

A guy I know is currently in the process of restoring a former Luftwaffe Fiat G.91 to airworthy condition.

Jan


User currently offlineTGIF From Sweden, joined Apr 2008, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting varigb707 (Thread starter):
So it's saturday morning and i am watching paint dry, when i thought about that?
Can anyone buy an old used fighter jet? Provided it has all its guns and whatnot disabled.
FYI : i am not planning on buying one. Just curious...

Too bad you're not shopping for one. Otherwise I'd recommend you this fine piece of Swedish aviation history:

http://www.wolfeaviation.com/aircraft_for_sale/1964SAABJ35.html

Only 789 flight hours and for just $175,000, some fuel and appropriate certificates, it will get you to Mach 2 and 60k feet.


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4806 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

The one I like was used as a demonstrator - alas, it is the last.....


.http://www.californiasciencecenter.o...Aircraft/F20/images/F20gallery.jpg

.....and even if I had the money (which I don't), it's unlikely that it'd be sold!  



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12136 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 7):
There is a military surplus store on the I-30 service road west of Texarkana. Out front sits an Aardvark (F-111). For many years there was an F-105.

IIRC, that is actually a FB-111A (also called the F-111G).

The flyable Collins F-4 is an F-4D. I believe they also fly a F-100F, too.

There are a few A-4s that are in private hands and flyable, too.

Doesn't Red Bull also have a Mig-15?

I know they are not jet fighters, but don't forget the many P-51s, P-40s, P-38s, P-47s, and F4Us flying around.

Also not fighters, but there are a few T-38s, T-37s, and T-2s in private hands.

[Edited 2010-11-07 04:35:16]

User currently offlineplanenut767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hello everyone. I figure this might be a good place to ask since everyone is talking about surplus military jets. Last year when I went out to the RDG for their airshow I saw about four SU-25's, in various states of assembly, parked outside of a hangar. I wanted to see if anyone had any info on them.

[Edited 2010-11-07 06:06:33]

User currently offlinesovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2604 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting Spacepope (Reply 12):
Don't forget the two private SU-27s based out of Rockford, IL.

They are not in Rockford anymore. I saw them do their test flights for certification earlier this year but they haven't flown since and were sold sometime in July. The company wouldn't say who they were sold to so it's a mystery for now. There's rumors that they went to the desert to fly as aggressors for the USAF.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 17):
The flyable Collins F-4 is an F-4D. I believe they also fly a F-100F, too

They fly an F-4D but not the F-100 yet. There's only one airworthy F-100 and it is this one.


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Quoting planenut767 (Reply 18):
Hello everyone. I figure this might be a good place to ask since everyone is talking about surplus military jets. Last year when I went out to the RDG for their airshow I saw about four SU-25's, in various states of assembly, parked outside of a hangar. I wanted to see if anyone had any info on them.

One of them is registered N347DE. Registered in Delaware and owned by Dave Cannavo AFAIK. The other three might be either for spares or for future flying.

Cold War Air Museum is getting a Mig-23 airworthy as well. And there is also one in Delaware flying. I believe the Delaware one was brought in by the same guy with the Su-25s.

CWAM Mig-23:


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User currently offlineplanenut767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting sovietjet (Reply 19):
There's only one airworthy F-100 and it is this one.

There's actually another one that's flying around painted up in Vietnam era camouflage and was on display at the Reno Air Races this year. I don't remember who it belonged to, but I think was based at Stead Field or Carson City NV if I remember correctly. I also have a picture, but it doesn't have the A/C registration or meet Anet's photo posting criteria.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12136 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting planenut767 (Reply 20):
I don't remember who it belonged to, but I think was based at Stead Field or Carson City NV if I remember correctly.

Would it be a single seater, like maybe a F-100C or F-100D?


User currently offlineplanenut767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Yes it is a single seater, not sure of the model type.

User currently offlinedlednicer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 544 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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N29UB, a MiG-29UB should fly for the first time any day now:
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The fellow restoring it and his brother each own a MiG-23 (N223ML and N23UB):
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/1927/sarasota230420073yl7.jpg


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8958 posts, RR: 40
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Too bad the ATG Javelin went belly up. Would probably been far cheaper to operate than military aircraft:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATG_Javelin



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25 sovietjet : Wow! This is the one in Seattle right? Are they also planning on flying the Mig-23s?
26 jwenting : the correct answer is in fact a resounding NO. In many countries the ownership of military equipment (even with any weapons systems removed) is illega
27 DiamondFlyer : Perhaps in your neck of the woods. Heck, right now, I could go out and buy 2 L-39's cheaper than 1 brand new Cessna 172. A quick look at any of the v
28 HKA098 : I would love to see that Mig-29 at an air show on the East Coast of the USA. Something like that has to cost around $1500.00 an hour to operate. Wow!
29 Post contains images sovietjet : Much more. The Mig-29s operated as a fleet by various air forces cost around $20,000 an hour. A private one might cost even more. Just the fuel for a
30 HKA098 : $20,000.00 per hour? Wow! No wonder many Eastern European nations retired them for older aircraft. I have read that the time between overhaul for the
31 dlednicer : Yes, the MiG-29UB is in the Seattle area. The MiG-23s are kept in Florida and are flown.
32 HaveBlue : That is patently incorrect. F-4 Phantom, F-5, F-86, F-100, F-105, A-4, MiG-15, 17, 19, 23, 29, Su-27, Draken, Panthers, Cougars, etc. All are 'old us
33 Post contains images HaveBlue : Damn and forgot one of the more impressive ones, the F-104s flown by StarFighterWorldwide that I've seen fly in person, based out of Clearwater, FL.
34 Post contains links n92r03 : Is this the same "Starfighters" that is referred to in the above posts? Pretty cool, but based out of Cape Canaveral- http://www.starfighters.net/
35 HaveBlue : Yes it is. During the late 90's they were based at Clearwater and I had been to their hangar, they had one single seat and one two seater flyable and
36 cpd : Tell that to those here who own things like Gloster Meteor. That's a fighter jet. And a lot of people do own / fly old fighter jets. Maybe in your co
37 n92r03 : At PIE I'm guessing? I never knew that and always check on PIE when I'm in the area. Have noticed all kinds of gems at PIE over the years. Most recen
38 Post contains links HaveBlue : Yep, exactly. I knew they were based there and went to talk to the guys who owned them, hangar was open but nobody home. They had the 2 painted up ni
39 Post contains images gphoto : Are you sure? You can even buy and operate nuclear bombers if you want: Ok, that last one does not really count Best regards, Jim
40 Post contains links and images dlednicer : The result: View Large View MediumPhoto © David Lednicer
41 Post contains links PRFlyer : Larry Ellison, CEO of Oracle, owns and flies a SIAI-Marchetti SA211. http://www.bonniepowell.com/ellison.html
42 L410Turbolet : Isn't there a private Hawker Hunter in the UK as well?
43 Post contains images n92r03 : After that, he was quoted as saying "I don't always drink beer, but when I do I drink Dos Equis".
44 MD11Engineer : Even in your own country I know of a private company, which operates several L-39 jet trainers and uses them in a target towing role for the Dutch Na
45 Larshjort : On danish register, no. We have a Leet 29 OY-LSD and a Fouga Magister OY-FGA. In 2005 the Fouga was badly damaged by a fire shorly after takeoff. The
46 Post contains links and images cpd : And another example: View Large View MediumPhoto © Chris P Denton Not the F-111C, but the one in front of it and closest to the image. In fact, you
47 HaveBlue : The US has an airshow demo team that has among its aircraft a flying, demonstrator AH-1. The US Forestry Service has many.
48 GPHOTO : There are several. Best regards, Jim
49 GPHOTO : Speaking of flying F-104 Starfighters, I read in the latest issue of Flypast of two that are being shipped from Europe to the USA recently. They are r
50 KC135TopBoom : I hope someday some F-15s, F-16s, F/A-18s, F/FB-111s, and Tornados will be flying in civilian hands, too.
51 Post contains images Poadrim : This is sooooooo inappropriate, but I would not hesitate a second to blow a dude to get a F-14 TOMCAT! With that said, is there any F-14 for sale?
52 HKA098 : U.S. DoD will not allow the private operation/ownership of any F-14. Reason being is that they are afraid a source of spares and the spares themselve
53 KC135TopBoom : I think all the USN F-14s are gone now, except for the gate guards. Perhaps Iran will sell you one?
54 HKA098 : All former USN F-14's are either at Davis Monthan AFB or in museums around the country.
55 Post contains links connies4ever : Not just Buc's, but Lightnings and Hunters as well: http://www.thundercity.com/ I think 650mph at 50ft over the water would definitely qualify as a r
56 KC135TopBoom : Some have moved onto their new life as Bud Lite cans............
57 Post contains links and images HaveBlue : One is here at nearby Deland, FL at the airport. While technically a 'museum' its really just an F-14 parked outside of a very small building that ha
58 Post contains images HKA098 : The small museum at Quonset Point, N. Kingstown RI has an F-14 among it's collection as well. A great, but small museum, which is highly recommended.
59 Post contains links and images sovietjet : The first private Mig-29 in the world is now flying : View Large View MediumPhoto © Ivan Voukadinov - BGspotters
60 HaveBlue : That is awesome! Any details, like where its based, who owns it, where it will be flying.
61 dvincent : This F-14 gets wheeled out to the ramp every year for the RI Airshow as well.
62 Post contains links sovietjet : based at Quincy, IL , owned by Air USA and will be used with the military as an aggressor. More information can be found in the official press releas
63 chuchoteur : To be fair, the FAA is really quite flexible and understanding about former military aircraft being put on the civilian register, under Experimental c
64 checksixx : I think there is one on display in Japan...
65 Post contains links hka098 : I'd like to see that http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,140944,00.html
66 chuchoteur : I wouldn't. So sad to see it go like that...
67 TheSonntag : Red Bull has a private Alpha Jet wing for demonstrations. The ejection seats are disabled, though.
68 Post contains images checksixx : Sure, no problem...Naval Air Facility Atsugi, Japan
69 hka098 : That must be recent. Google Earth does not show the aircraft outside.
70 Post contains links checksixx : Shows up on Google... http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...532&spn=0.001545,0.002401&t=h&z=19
71 hka098 : Thar she is. Thanks!
72 Post contains links 71Zulu : Here's a vid, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq92ZC5cYoM
73 HaveBlue : That is awesome! We don't even have our own 4th generation aircraft privately owned, yet we have a MiG-29. Nice!
74 Post contains links and images sovietjet : Yes, in that video at around 0:31 when they are showing the cockpit view of the takeoff you will see a car on the left parked on the taxiway. That be
75 Post contains images KPDX : First off, nice shots! Second, I watched a video of the Mig's first takeoff, but from a different angle. Did you notice how unstable it looked after
76 Post contains links and images checksixx : Well fighters aside, if I won the lottery, I'd pick up one of these little gems... http://www.controller.com/listingsde...1989-SHORTS-TUCANO-MK1/11616
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