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UAE Seeks 30 More AH-64s To Double Fleet  
User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3930 times:

This is in addition to the 36 for Saudi Arabia. $5 billion total if the deal goes through.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...n-deal-to-double-apache-fleet.html

Quote:
The United Arab Emirates plans to double the size of its Boeing AH-64D Apache Longbow attack helicopter fleet to 60 aircraft, under a potential acquisition and modernisation package worth $5 billion.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12158 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3908 times:

This will need to be run by the Congress, but I can see it getting approved for the UAE.

User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3881 times:

In the background, the follow on fighter purchase appears to be on hold. A year ago, it was virtually a lock for the Rafale; all that seems to have changed. The UAE recently said that the F-18 Super Hornet would meet their needs. Unknown at this point what fighter, if any, they'll choose.


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12158 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3724 times:

Doesn't the UAEAF already have some 80 F-16E/F Block-60s and some 70 Mirage 2000s? I didn't know they wanted the F/A-18E/F too. They also have about 30 M-346s on a contract hold order.

User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12742 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3656 times:

I also thought AH-64s were shown to be pretty vulnerable in the skies over Iraq.


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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3645 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 4):
I also thought AH-64s were shown to be pretty vulnerable in the skies over Iraq.

Yes, when flown low over urban areas with DshK and KPV AAMGs. Even then it resulted in the downing of only 2 Apaches, one of which was later recovered.

Iraq was a failure of tactics, not the machine.



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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
I didn't know they wanted the F/A-18E/F too. T

Here's he news report that threw water on French hopes for a "quick" Rafale sale.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/63809216-d...78-00144feabdc0.html#axzz14olzNDtN

Quote:
This summer, President Sarkozy also announced that the UAE was considering replacing its older fleet of 63 French Mirage jets with Rafales. Once again, the French camp seemed confident they had finally clinched an export order for the aircraft in a region that has traditionally been an important customer for French defence equipment. But this month, the UAE suggested it was also looking at the US Boeing F18 Super Hornet as an alternative. So the prospect of success once again risks turning into a mirage.

A month earlier, this report appeared in Defense News.

UAE May Ditch Rafale Hornet a Surprise Competitor for $10B Deal

Quote:
It was not immediately clear why the UAE is exploring a U.S.-made option.

The U.S. source said the Gulf state is believed to be frustrated over price and the technology offered by France.

UAE authorities have been negotiating with the French government and industry a potential co-development of a more capable "fifth-generation" model of the Rafale.

Abu Dhabi is being asked to pay to upgrade the Rafale, while the F-18 is already at the desired technological level.

The Gulf source said, "The Super Hornet has everything we need. We don't need to co-develop or modify it."



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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Thread starter):
This is in addition to the 36 for Saudi Arabia. $5 billion total if the deal goes through.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles....html

These would be to go after possible Iranian naval assets coming across the Gulf, if and when ? As opposed to strictly interdicting armour and other surface vehicles.



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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3578 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 7):
These would be to go after possible Iranian naval assets coming across the Gulf, if and when ? As opposed to strictly interdicting armour and other surface vehicles.

The F-16s would be better suited IMO.



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2155 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 8):

The F-16s would be better suited IMO.

And more expensive . . .

The F-16 with sensor pod would be great at detecting air and surface assets. But if you are going to interdict a small gunboat or fishing boat, then it would be overkill . . .

And if you need to detonate a floating mine with out a mine sweeper near by, I'd say the AH wouldn't require multiple passes to hit the darn thing.  

bikerthai



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User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4787 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3506 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
This will need to be run by the Congress, but I can see it getting approved for the UAE.

For the nth time, arms sales notifications are not "approved" by Congress so much as they go through , usually without even any discussion on the floor, unless they are specifically vetoed, which you can count on your fingers the number of times thats happened in the last few decades.

"In
general, the executive branch, after complying with the terms of applicable U.S. law,
principally contained in the Arms Export Control Act (AECA), is free to proceed
with an arms sales proposal unless Congress passes legislation prohibiting or
modifying the proposed sale. Under current law Congress must overcome two
fundamental obstacles to block or modify a Presidential sale of military equipment:
it must pass legislation expressing its will on the sale, and it must be capable of
overriding a presumptive Presidential veto of such legislation. Congress, however,
is free to pass legislation to block or modify an arms sale at any time up to the point
of delivery of the items involved."

[Edited 2010-11-09 17:50:55]

http://www.law.umaryland.edu/marshal.../crsdocuments/RL31675_09122007.pdf


[Edited 2010-11-09 17:51:48]

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12158 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3413 times:

Quoting trex8 (Reply 10):
trex8

Actually, trex8, that is what I ment. But, you said it better.


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