Fuelhog From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 50 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5475 times:
I was wondering which of these two planes is superior in the air superioty role.I know both planes have a similar design layout and similar weapon platforms, that being, which one appears to be the main air superiorty fighter for the russian air force.I've heard the mig-29 has not performed very well in some conflicts with westeren fighters and lost to su-27's in an African conflict a few years ago.Just wanted some information on the subject,thanks.
Soren-a From Denmark, joined Sep 2001, 235 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5458 times:
The Su-27 and MiG-29 was designed to meet the same specification set by the Russian air force in the late 1960s early 70s. The Su-27 design was eventually chosen, but then the MiG company suggested that the Russian airforce build both fighters - the Su-27 as a long-range air superiority fighter (like the F-15) and the MiG-29 as a short range fighter (like the F-16) and this was accepted by the Russian air force. The Su-27 has several advantages in long range engagements like more missiles and more powerful radar. In close however the MiG might be more agile (although the Su-27 is pretty agile too). If they were to meet head-on I would say that it would be down to which pilot was the best (I'm not sure if the battle in Africa was at close range or at long range).
It is true that the MiG-29 has not done well against western fighters in actual combat (1991 gulf war and the 1999 Kosovo bombings), but in both cases the MiG-29 was massively outnumbered and the quality of the pilots might not have been as high as the western pilots.
In mock combat during peacetime the western pilots have reported that the MiG-29 can be a handful in close range dogfights if it has a skilled pilot (even more so if the pilot can use the helmet mounted tageting system).
As to which plane is the main air superiority fighter for the Russian air force, I would say the Su-27, whereas the MiG-29 is used more for airfield defense and defense of other high value ground targets.
This is done from memory, so any additions and/or corrections will be welcome
Soren-a From Denmark, joined Sep 2001, 235 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5376 times:
According to the book "Su-27 Flanker Story" written by Andrei Fomin (ISBN: 5-93511-003-2), the Su-27 and the MiG-29 were both put forward to meet the same design specification set forward by the Russian leaders.
However the requirements set forward was so different that non of the planes that were proposed could meet all the demands. And so the MiG company suggested that instead of just building one fighter that could not meet all the demands, they should build two different planes that together could meet most if not all the demands.
This was accepted by the Russian leaders, and therefore both the Su-27 and MiG-29 was build.
Cheshire From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 112 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5321 times:
Russian design philosophies held that the Su-27 was to be the counter air/ air dominance fighter conducting long range sweeps and the MiG-29 would be the local air superiority fighter ie- air cover over the battlefield, whilst operating from FOL's. It's been said (jokingly) it was designed with enough internal fuel to defend the airfield's perimeter, and that's about it. Also, it's been interesting to note that the Russian Navy's had an interesting time choosing between the MiG-29 and Su-27 too.