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Possible J-10 Sale To Serbia?  
User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2926 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7379 times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRnbLqrReCQ&feature=player_embedded

It would provide the best bang for the buck. Of course the issue of after sales support could be an issue, as well as Russia issuing an export license for the AL-31 engine. The smaller cheaper FC-1 could be the best option seeing how it uses the same engine as the mig-29.....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/JF17-10-114-1748.jpg


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User currently offlineShmertspionem From India, joined Aug 2006, 453 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7297 times:

eh? that picture aint a J-10 that's a JF-17... and the video says visit - no mention of sale.

Such things are common - visiting dignitaries - especially defence ones are shown technology showcases such as the j-10



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4689 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7187 times:

Quoting alberchico (Thread starter):
Of course the issue of after sales support could be an issue, as well as Russia issuing an export license for the AL-31 engine.

Serbia is a key Russian ally, so I don't see any issues in this respect.

Unless they want to sell aircraft to the Serbians themselves, of course...



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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2926 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7151 times:

Quoting Shmertspionem (Reply 1):
eh? that picture aint a J-10 that's a JF-17.

never claimed the pic to be of a j-10  
Quoting Shmertspionem (Reply 1):
and the video says visit - no mention of sale.

thats why I stated '' possible sale''

Quoting A342 (Reply 2):
Serbia is a key Russian ally, so I don't see any issues in this respect.

Unless they want to sell aircraft to the Serbians themselves, of course...

Russia has already stated that they will not grant any export licences for Chinese fighters to any country in which they are hoping to make a sale themselves..



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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4889 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7109 times:

Quoting Shmertspionem (Reply 1):
no mention of sale.

Such things are common - visiting dignitaries - especially defence ones are shown technology showcases such as the j-10

Demonstration to delegations with at least recommending authority to their home governments always has (obvious or not) a purpose - be it technological cooperation, the prospect of a sale, and yes... shock and awe (either for political or commercial ends.)

Quoting alberchico (Reply 3):

Russia has already stated that they will not grant any export licences for Chinese fighters to any country in which they are hoping to make a sale themselves..

There were reports that China already has alternate powerplants for both fighters. It is safe to assume they are also working on other systems which could preclude exporting the two to other countries. Now, whether those indigenous replacements deliver the goods is another matter.....and largely dependent on the buying party's appreciation that they're getting the bang they wanted for their buck. Did Russia have other contractual provisos or substantial input on the airframe that they could leverage?



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User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 913 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6959 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 3):
never claimed the pic to be of a j-10  

So, create thread about J-10, post image of JF-17? That makes sense? Why not a pic of a tank or a city bus?

Quoting alberchico (Reply 3):
Russia has already stated that they will not grant any export licences for Chinese fighters to any country in which they are hoping to make a sale themselves..

Based in images of the new J-20, they have a new engine that will fit jets with the AL-31, Im pretty sure the Chinese had this in mind developing the J-10.


User currently offlineOzair From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 870 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6907 times:

Quoting Oroka (Reply 5):
So, create thread about J-10, post image of JF-17? That makes sense? Why not a pic of a tank or a city bus?

Well the video shows J-10s displaying for the serbs while alberchico postulated that the FC-1 would be a better option, hence why he posted a picture of an FC-1.

Quoting alberchico (Thread starter):
The smaller cheaper FC-1 could be the best option seeing how it uses the same engine as the mig-29.....

Interesting to see what weapons the chinese export with an FC-1 order. Would the PL-12 be an option to nations like Serbia, Burma or Egypt potentially interested in the FC-1?


User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2926 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6821 times:

Quoting Ozair (Reply 6):
Interesting to see what weapons the chinese export with an FC-1 order.

this chart is old but gives a rough idea...

http://www.pac.org.pk/amfsite-final/jf17specifications.html

Quoting Ozair (Reply 6):
Would the PL-12 be an option to nations like Serbia, Burma or Egypt potentially interested in the FC-1?

Wikipedia has a detailed article on it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL-12



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User currently offlineOzair From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 870 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6747 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 7):
Wikipedia has a detailed article on it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL-12

I'm familiar with the weapon. I'm interested in people's opinions on the possibility of China exporting it to someone other than Pakistan.


User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2926 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6726 times:

Quoting Ozair (Reply 8):
I'm interested in people's opinions on the possibility of China exporting it to someone other than Pakistan.

The SD-10 is already the export version so I assume it is has slightly downgraded performance. Not even Pakistan is allowed to have the most cutting edge stuff. Case in point is their new AWACS. It is an export version with inferior performance than the models that China uses. The PLAAF uses a different dish design.

http://i3.6.cn/cvbnm/f1/26/93/8c843ba4f00e041991bf7016d67a7c7f.jpg


I believe reading somewhere that China stated that the sd-10 will come standard with any jf-17 export order. Nobody would buy this plane unless it came with a BVR missile included.



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User currently offlinewvsuperhornet From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 517 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5836 times:

my question has anyone ever purchased anything made well in china?

User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3961 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5669 times:

Quoting wvsuperhornet (Reply 10):
my question has anyone ever purchased anything made well in china?

I'm sure you have. You just don't realize it.



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User currently offlineF27Friendship From Netherlands, joined Jul 2007, 1125 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5573 times:

for starters, my Macbook Pro and iPhone were made in China (and designed in California, hahahaha)

User currently offlinewvsuperhornet From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 517 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4965 times:

All jokes aside I know after the war with NATO their (Serbs) commanders said that their biggest threat was from the US carriers at sea. I know at one times they mention purchasing the SU-34 with the range to try and counter that. Did that fall through or have they changed their thinking?

User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2926 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4932 times:

Quoting wvsuperhornet (Reply 10):
my question has anyone ever purchased anything made well in china?

The K-8 has been their biggest export success story. Sort of a poor mans version of the Bae Hawk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongdu_JL-8




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