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Usaf C-17 Detained At SAEZ/EZE 2/11/11  
User currently offlineLVTMB From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 392 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9899 times:

Several papers in Argentina are reporting that a USAF C-17 is detained at SAEZ/EZE while some írregularities with its cargo -- apparently weapons for local security forces - is being checked. Aircraft came in yesterday from Panama. Interesting ....

Spanish language note from daily La Nación La Nacion

LVTMB

[Edited 2011-02-11 13:26:56 by srbmod]

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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12158 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9434 times:

Wait a minute. The USAF C-17 was transporting weapons for the local government in Buenos Aires, and they detain the crew and airplane? There is something more to this story as it just doesn't add up.

What is the US State Department doing for the crew and aircraft? This is their job to work out.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6728 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9228 times:

Well, maybe they discovered some of the weapons were going to someone else (say, CIA agents).


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User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2127 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9224 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 2):

Well, maybe they discovered some of the weapons were going to someone else (say, CIA agent

Those go in a diplomatic "pouch" and while the term implies a small container, they can be quite large. The other option is to acquire weapons locally.


User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7382 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9092 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 2):
Well, maybe they discovered some of the weapons were going to someone else (say, CIA agents).
Quoting silentbob (Reply 3):
Those go in a diplomatic "pouch" and while the term implies a small container, they can be quite large.

In which case they cannot be seized or searhed, they could certainely hold the air for some technical violations which require an investigation, but nothing more.

Quoting silentbob (Reply 3):
The other option is to acquire weapons locally.

Which is the best option since whatever they are used for can be blamed on the locals, besides, have the Europeans not already proven to the world that the CIA have their own a/c and do not use US Air Force military transport a/c?


User currently offlineNorlander From Faroe Islands, joined Sep 2007, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9071 times:

Might be something else entirely, such as the crew using the plane as their own drug plane while doing official air lifts.


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User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 8943 times:

Quoting Norlander (Reply 5):

Military and Civilian customs no longer treats military aircrews with trust anymore after a C-5 crew tried to bring ecstasy into the country.



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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1934 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8813 times:

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 7):
Military and Civilian customs no longer treats military aircrews with trust anymore after a C-5 crew tried to bring ecstasy into the country.

You're telling me. When I got back from deployment last month, it took us THREE HOURS to clear customs at home base...all ~170 of us on that rotator...it's MUCH easier to go commerical customs vs. military customs.


User currently offlineLVTMB From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8547 times:

This issue has now escalated. Weapons apparently intended to be used to train local police force have been seized by the local government. DoS is demanding weapons be returned. Argentina is filing a complaint.

LVTMB


User currently offlinehawaiianhobo From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8513 times:

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 6):
Military and Civilian customs no longer treats military aircrews with trust anymore after a C-5 crew tried to bring ecstasy into the country.

Not necessarily true.

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 7):
You're telling me. When I got back from deployment last month, it took us THREE HOURS to clear customs at home base...all ~170 of us on that rotator...it's MUCH easier to go commerical customs vs. military customs.

See my experience is totally different. I go through customs 3-4 times per month and usually takes my crew less than 5 minutes, and that's a C-5 crew. Sometimes customs gets waived all together! I will say it depends on where we come back into though. Dover customs (because of the Stewart ANG incident) is more thorough than say, Anderson or Travis. I guess its all situation based but I've been through enough commercial customs (stateside and other countries) to know I like going though military better.

Is there any info on where the crew is based out of?



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User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8487 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 7):
You're telling me. When I got back from deployment last month, it took us THREE HOURS to clear customs at home base...all ~170 of us on that rotator...it's MUCH easier to go commerical customs vs. military customs

I was one the TA guys who recovered you and that is normal ops with the customs guy who comes out from Will Rogers, he doesn't cut anybody any slack. I see it all the time. If you ever comeback on a E-3 and just want to get off the jet at TIK make sure you mission plan to stop at Bangor, in and out no problem. Plus with the Transportation contractor at TIK has pretty much stopped giving anybody rides except the base shuttle and that is why you guys did it that way in build ing 289. I have given transient aircrew rides to billeting and base ops in the follow me truck and the base cc has signed off on this cutback of service. How customs goes all depends on the inspector.



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User currently offlineLVTMB From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8205 times:

Quoting hawaiianhobo (Reply 9):
Is there any info on where the crew is based out of?

There is a quite nice pic here together with story in English.

LVTMB


User currently offlinehercppmx From United States of America, joined May 2008, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8107 times:

This strikes me as rather odd. I just left active duty, and in 5 years I have never had a foreign customs agent step on board an a/c, much less look around. At my former home station sometimes customs were there and met the plane. A couple of times they never even bothered to show up.


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10907 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8062 times:

I was in Buenos Aires and through EZEIZA when this happened and I did not hear a thing.
This is very mysterious. I doubt this has anything to do with black ops though. Different sources are -of course- saying different things.

Argentine President Cristina Kirchner does not seem to be too happy about this.

I have been following this story. These are the links I have got.

In a statement late on Sunday, President Cristina Kirchner's government said it would lodge a protest with Washington and ask it to cooperate in a probe into the air force's attempt "to violate Argentine laws by bringing in hidden material in an official shipment."

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news...ry-plane-cargo-20110215-1au1u.html

Home > America > Argentina
Contenía dos contenedores con armas
Encontronazo diplomático de EEUU y Argentina por el cargamento de un avión U.S.

http://translate.google.com/translat...22%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26prmd%3Divns

Published February 14, 2011
AP
Argentina's Cristina Fernández de Kirchner

Machine guns, ammunition, drugs, and spy equipment were seized from a U.S. Air Force C-17 cargo plane that landed in Argentina on Thursday, and Argentine authorites are now accusing the U.S. military of sneaking-in the equipment under the guise of providing routine police training courses for Argentina's federal police.

The charge was disputed Monday by U.S. officials.

continued:
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/new...o-seized-spy-equipment-obama-snub/

The US Air Force C-17 transport plane was searched and its cargo seized by customs officials on Thursday at Ezeiza International Airport after arriving with experts and material for a hostage rescue training exercise

rescue training exercise...
   



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12158 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7969 times:

I wonder where the C-17 was scheduled to go after it left EZE? Is it possible the equipment seized was for another destination?

User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6728 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7818 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 13):
Machine guns, ammunition, drugs, and spy equipment

Seems I was on the mark, then.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12158 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7759 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 15):
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 13):
Machine guns, ammunition, drugs, and spy equipment

Seems I was on the mark, then.

The invasion starts tomorrow.......                  


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19954 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7649 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 16):

The invasion starts tomorrow.......

All your (free-range, grass-fed, Argentinian) beef are belong to us.  


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6360 posts, RR: 31
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7643 times:
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Apprarently the C-17 arrived with authorized military equipment for an exercise with the Argentine Federal Police but according to the Argentine authorities the plane was carrying unauthorized equipment in the form of :

1) Listening devices (already called "espionage" devices by some higher up Argentine)
2) Drugs (Apparently morphine, haven´t mentioned other type)
3) Undeclared weapons

These came in a conspicous box that was not declared in the goods the American embassy had passed alogg to the Argentine authoties and what was in the end authorized to come in. Someone noticed the box and the American crew refused to opened it. It took apparently two day of diplomatic back and forths until withouth US authorization the box was opened by the Argentines and what I mentioned above is what was in it.

The thing has escalated all the way to the higher authorities in both countries, and the Argentines won´t release the C-17

In Spanish

http://www.clarin.com/politica/gobie...no-insiste-drogas_0_427757416.html

In English, I have not read that version

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/am...02/15/argentina.us.spat/index.html


User currently onlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7410 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 7):
You're telling me. When I got back from deployment last month, it took us THREE HOURS to clear customs at home base...all ~170 of us on that rotator...it's MUCH easier to go commerical customs vs. military customs.



If it was the old guy that comes out from Will Rogers, he is a giant douche' bag and will always give folks crap. It was rumoured he was a disgruntled ART (a radar tech on the E-3 for those that don't know).

There were some younger guys that were normally fairly expeditious. They would normally always ask for the youngest member of the crew and search his bags. I kid you not, and normally they would find a bottle of something like Absinthe, he shouldn't have, or cigars. We had better hiding places for the cigars so it was never a problem.

I've done customs at Pease (on a 141 and C-5) while "escorting" sensitive cargo and in both instances MPs acted as customs and in both cases a large crate of beer was pulled out, handed to them, and we moved along.

But honestly it all depends. We had lax customs in , Ecuador, Saudi, Canada (Maple Flags) when I was doing NATO E-3s, and at Tinker. We also had very sever customs checks in all those places. There never seemed to be a rhyme or reason between the two.

We also flew to Argentina for a mission and it was cursory at best but that 5-6 years ago.



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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1934 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7313 times:

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 10):

I was one the TA guys who recovered you and that is normal ops with the customs guy who comes out from Will Rogers, he doesn't cut anybody any slack. I see it all the time. If you ever comeback on a E-3 and just want to get off the jet at TIK make sure you mission plan to stop at Bangor, in and out no problem. Plus with the Transportation contractor at TIK has pretty much stopped giving anybody rides except the base shuttle and that is why you guys did it that way in build ing 289. I have given transient aircrew rides to billeting and base ops in the follow me truck and the base cc has signed off on this cutback of service. How customs goes all depends on the inspector.

I've been on tailswaps over to the desert before...and we INTENTIONALLY stop at KBGR to avoid the one dude from Will Rogers...we've all been told he's just a disgruntled former 'Wacker who likes to stick it to us whenever possible. Now whenever he's not there...or I've returned from our southern locale, you guys have been pretty awesome about being quick and thorough. We all CRINGED when we saw that dude standing by the jet when we landed. Of course, it's a bunch of us who think it's ok to smuggle in a few Cubans and whatnot that are ruining the quick and easy party for the rest...


User currently offlineLVTMB From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6910 times:

The saga goes on and the C17 is still sequestered in SAEZ/EZE. Here are today's notes from the BA Herald:
here and and here

MB


User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2925 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6842 times:

Quoting LVTMB (Thread starter):
Several papers in Argentina are reporting that a USAF C-17 is detained at SAEZ/EZE

how will all this affect US - Argentina relations ?



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User currently offlineLVTMB From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6644 times:

Well, here are the facts: Update

Quoting alberchico (Reply 22):


I don't see much of joint training happening in the near future

MB


User currently offlinehercppmx From United States of America, joined May 2008, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6461 times:

Quoting LVTMB (Reply 23):
Well, here are the facts: Update

After reading that, The State Department really makes it seem like Argentina is getting butt hurt over nothing. If the DOD team was there to conduct hostage rescue and crisis management training with the Argentine Federal Police, why are pulling this crap, for all of the training exercise's I've been a part of there has always seemed to be a professional courtesy, it does not seem to apply here. I have a feeling this maybe the last one for awhile. The irony of the matter is the people being held are there for "hostage rescue and crisis management training"...



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25 KC135TopBoom : Have the crew and team been arrested? Are they in some Argentinan Jail, or are the restricted to just their hotel?
26 Galaxy5007 : Anyone know the tail number?
27 hercppmx : Okay it was a poor choice of words on my part, I don't know what is being done with anything as far as the crew. I would GUESS that since it has not
28 AR385 : An article by some Clarin Newspaper editorialist that appeared yesterday says this whole affair is an Argentine retaliation for Obama not going to Arg
29 KC135TopBoom : Good question. Do we know what unit the C-17 and crew are from? Active duty? Reserves? ANG? That is almost always the case.
30 Post contains links hercppmx : http://operatorchan.org/t/res/210960.html In the Picture it looks like a Charleston bird. The tail of the bird in the pic looks like "77184"[Edited 20
31 MarkATL : What finally happened with this situation?
32 Post contains links hercppmx : It appears to have been resolved. "Argentina’s ambassador to the US described the situation as “a shameful embarrassment” before returning the c
33 Confuscius : Could there be a C-17 on public auction soon?
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