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Two Libyan Mirage F-1's Defect To Malta  
User currently offlinelmml 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10642 times:

At around 1500Z two Mirage F1 fighter jets landed in Malta International Airport following a low level unauthorised incursion of the airspace. The crew declared a fuel emergency and later landed on rwy 13. It is unclear whether a clearance was eventually given. The jets are equipped with what looks like rocket pods on both wings. They were reported to have taken off from Benghazi with orders to fire on protesters in Tripoli. At least one pilot is reported to have requested political asylum in Malta.

Shortly after the Mirages' landing, two civil French registered helicopters also landed in Malta reportedly carrying oil rig workers who fled Libya without belongings or travel documents.

All four aircraft are parked in the romote apron 4 next to the LH technic hangar.

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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12181 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10639 times:

The LAF pilots are both Col. I just read about it on the DRUDGE REPORT. They were assigned (ordered) to bomb and strafe their own people in Benghazi.

I hope they don't have families left in Lybia.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/baby...a-rather-than-bomb-protesters.html


User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2958 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 10369 times:

Well now Malta finally has an air force  

But seriously, glad to see that they had the guts to defect instead of firing on their own people. Shame they couldn't have unloaded their rockets on Ghadaffi's residence before leaving the country.



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User currently onlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2990 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 10391 times:

Looks like SNEB rocket pods. Do they have flechette warheads available?


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User currently offlinelmml 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 10283 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 2):
Well now Malta finally has an air force

LOL - indeed that is the big joke here. But seriously, we have been longing to see some Libyan fighters at our annual airshow (every last weekend of September) for many years now. This never happened. Now we have two sharp looking F1's for, what looks like, a long stay.

Hopefully, if they are not returned, these beauties will not be left to rot away, as has happened to an ex-KM B720b, another abandoned privately owned B720b (still intact but in bad shape perilously close to the fire department's training area) and a Connie, which was impounded in the early 70's, turned into an off airport restaurant and burned to the ground by vandals after it was abandoned by it's "new" owners.

The local aviation museum is already eyeing these jets.


User currently offlineGipsy From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 10186 times:

Who's the owner of a defected a/c? Does it have to be given back to the eventual new Libyan Government? If not maybe more F1's defect and Croatia can have them for cheap....  

User currently offlinelmml 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 10118 times:

Quoting Gipsy (Reply 5):

Who's the owner of a defected a/c?

Very difficult to determine at the moment. Malta is a neutral country, but with strong commercial and diplomatic relations with Libya. Re-the latter, we cannot afford not to due to the close proximity of the two countries.

Having said that, it is highly unlikely (out of question if you ask me) that, should the Mirages remain here, they will be sold to another airforce for military use.


User currently offlineosteogenesis From Germany, joined May 2003, 647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 10089 times:

It is very sad that the world can not unite and stop selling weapons to a LUNATIC like this clown.

User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3848 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 10056 times:

Quoting lmml 14/32 (Reply 6):
they will be sold to another airforce for military use.

I see that as unlikely. Sale of weaponry confiscated from another country while its government is changing (hopefully) sounds like a bureaucratic and diplomatic nightmare. The dust will have to have settled in Libya before any administrative procedure regarding the status of the Mirages can even begin. These aircrafts will stay there for a long time before anything is done with them.
I just hope Gaddafi never gets his hands on them ever again. Turning weapons of war against your own people must be the lowest and most despicable thing any leader can ever get to do.
Kudos to the pilots, I hope they get proper diplomatic protection from Malta and the EU.



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User currently offlineGipsy From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 10030 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 8):
Kudos to the pilots, I hope they get proper diplomatic protection from Malta and the EU.

x 2 the EU should encourage more armed forces members to defect and deny orders of shooting against their own population by offering protection and maybe even extraction of family members in danger (I know won't happen). What a nightmare.

I would also guess that they will be given back to Libya.


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 9685 times:

Quoting lmml 14/32 (Reply 4):
Now we have two sharp looking F1's for, what looks like, a long stay.

Looks sharp indeed.....   

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Quoting Gipsy (Reply 5):
If not maybe more F1's defect and Croatia can have them for cheap....

Could be newer than the F1s that France was offering.....

Quoting lmml 14/32 (Reply 6):
it is highly unlikely (out of question if you ask me) that, should the Mirages remain here, they will be sold to another airforce for military use.
Quoting Gipsy (Reply 9):
I would also guess that they will be given back to Libya.

It must first be ensured that those are not returned to another despotic regime.   

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[Edited 2011-02-22 10:22:53]


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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13253 posts, RR: 77
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 9670 times:

If anymore do the same, if they know where his is, the next ones might want to unload their weapons on the mad Colonel first.

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 9650 times:

FOR SALE, CHEAP!

Two ex-Libyan Air Force Mirage F1s, low miles:

http://www.maltapark.com/item.asp?ItemID=1046544



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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 9623 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 12):
FOR SALE, CHEAP!

   There are nine zeros after the one....and in Euros yet! Maybe if they change the currency to yens.  



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 9525 times:

Quoting GDB (Reply 11):
If anymore do the same, if they know where his is, the next ones might want to unload their weapons on the mad Colonel first.

Not to digress but you would think he would have promoted himself by now. At least a Major General  
That guy in The Gambia is only a Lieutentant!

I might have to take the ferry down to Malta and check these out.
I think that once the dust settles and there is a new regime they would be given back to Libya. Until them party in Gozo.



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7816 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 9495 times:

On BBC News last night, one aircraft had tail number 508 or 509.

User currently offlineflybulldog From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 9318 times:

Kudos to the pilots for having the courage to defet rather than to straife innocent civilians.

User currently offlineBlueBus From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 9233 times:

It has to take a lot of guts for those pilots to do that. They go to work, ordered to kill civilians and decide to defect. What if they have friends and families still stuck back at home?

User currently offlinechuchoteur From France, joined Sep 2006, 774 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8880 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 8):
The dust will have to have settled in Libya before any administrative procedure regarding the status of the Mirages can even begin. These aircrafts will stay there for a long time before anything is done with them.

I just hope they at least get put inside a hangar rather than left outside... especially since they seem in such a good condition.

(We may not like what's going on in Libya, but the mad Colonel certainly seems to have taken care of his weaponry...)


User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3848 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8771 times:

Quoting chuchoteur (Reply 18):
(We may not like what's going on in Libya, but the mad Colonel certainly seems to have taken care of his weaponry...)

Yes, I noticed as well, those F-1s look very sharp. Life as a pilot in the Lybia AF must have been pretty good until a fews days ago.

As far as pilots bombing Gaddafi before defecting, I doubt any will do that. It would decrease their chances of succesfully getting political asylum and would seal the fate of whatever family they leave behind...



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14139 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8677 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 19):
As far as pilots bombing Gaddafi before defecting, I doubt any will do that. It would decrease their chances of succesfully getting political asylum and would seal the fate of whatever family they leave behind...

Well, back in 1986, during the revolution in the Philippines, the Army changing sides made the revolution complete. Only after some Philippine Airforce aircraft bombed Malacanang Palace (the presidential palace) did dictator Marcos get bthe hint that he´d better leave the country.

Jan


User currently onlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2990 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8592 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 19):
Yes, I noticed as well, those F-1s look very sharp. Life as a pilot in the Lybia AF must have been pretty good until a fews days ago.

Not really. There is a reason Libya sold all of their Mirage III/V fleet to Pakistan. Aircraft have been languishing for decades, even the soviet stuff. The reworking of the fleets is just a recent thing after the lifting of sanctions in recent years.

It'll be interesting to see if Malta can add any SU-22, SU-24 or MiG 23 to their new air force.



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User currently offlinechuchoteur From France, joined Sep 2006, 774 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8510 times:

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 21):
It'll be interesting to see if Malta can add any SU-22, SU-24 or MiG 23 to their new air force.

Well, one SU22 candidate didn't choose that option...

Strange to decide to just eject, surely when Gaddafi's pals find you, they're going to make your life extremely short and painful?


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8467 times:

Quoting chuchoteur (Reply 22):
Strange to decide to just eject, surely when Gaddafi's pals find you, they're going to make your life extremely short and painful?

They ejected near Benghazi, which is rebel-held. I don't know that they the range to land anywhere really safe (ie. Malta.)

-JPH



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User currently onlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2990 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8461 times:

Heck, the SU-22 may have been out of fuel already! The SU-7 didn't have much in the way of fuel efficiency (7 minutes in afterburner till dry tanks) and the new wing in the 17/20/22 didn't add too terribly much to range.

Hopefully this situation will be over soon and doesn't devolve into a tribal/civil war.

Edit: rumors are abounding that the fighters are now being purposefully underfuelled, so that they can't even get to Malta anymore.

[Edited 2011-02-23 10:46:58]


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25 Post contains images chuchoteur : Wouldn't be surprised if that were the case... the russians used to do that in the good ole cold war days no? Stopped a load of wannabes from hopping
26 MD11Engineer : there was news a few days ago that Bengazi airport´s runways had been sabotaged and damaged. Maybe this was the reason they couldn´t land there. Ja
27 Post contains links egronenthal : Great photos: http://www.airplane-pictures.net/news.php?p=929
28 Post contains links chuchoteur : http://uk.news.yahoo.com/fighter-pil...return-libya-heroes-124117825.html ... looks like this story had a happy ending... hope it lasts is all I can s
29 francoflier : From the article: "Two who fled to Algeria were sent back to Libya where the regime reportedly made an example of them - with a public execution." Sc
30 chuchoteur : ... who knows, they could even be used against Gaddhafi's troops... I do hope they've been protected, they'd just come out of a full refurbishment!
31 Post contains links and images Devilfish : View Large View MediumPhoto © Ryan Paul Galea Yeah, being out in the crash fire training area wouldn't exactly promote longevity.
32 Post contains images chuchoteur : ... well I'm sure Dassault won't mind refurbishing them a second time...
33 b737200 : Hehe... They moved to Park 5 next to our little Ultralight now. Unless they moved them back, I've been in Munich since the 22nd of August.
34 Post contains images Devilfish : I thought they were angry that Libya didn't order Rafales after the F1s got upgraded?
35 chuchoteur : well, maybe they'll come back round to that... Remember that France has significantly helped the rebels gain control of the country... ^^
36 Bennett123 : Currently, 502 is in the static park at the airshow. Right next to the USN contingent. Condition looks good. Another, prob 508 is parked across the ai
37 b737200 : Last I saw them they were both in equally very good condition. Very clean and new looking.
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