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Insane KC-10 Take-off  
User currently offlinedtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12938 times:

I didn't think a KC-10 could do this


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOSHMB_Tpe8&feature=related

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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2969 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12934 times:

I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it.


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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2121 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12750 times:

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 1):
I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it.

Me either. Holy sh*t that was amazing. I've watched cargo/tanker planes do some amazing things, but that blows my mind. Wow.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12171 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12731 times:

He had to be pretty light weight to be able to do that.

User currently onlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2380 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 12684 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
He had to be pretty light weight to be able to do that.

Exactly - no cargo, little fuel, max power and climb at minimum airspeed should give you an impressive climb angle.



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User currently offlinewingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2315 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 12641 times:

That might be the craziest stunt I've ever seen.

User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 9192 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 12518 times:

I cannot imagine being there, that was scary, even after the fact.


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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5729 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12416 times:

Oddly I will say that this makes think of what an empty 777 could do.

Simply staed an aircraft is required to be able to take off at max weight with one engine out, so with the KC-10 being "light" it has way more than fifty percent more power than needed available with three engines that it can tap to create a stunt like this.

So a 772F (for example) will have well beyond twice as much power available to it with both engines working than it needs for take off. So it should be/will be an amazing take-off to see with all the power it can apply.

Of course this could apply to most any twin engine jet.

Tugg



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User currently offlinegunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 11947 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 7):
So a 772F (for example) will have well beyond twice as much power available to it with both engines working than it needs for take off. So it should be/will be an amazing take-off to see with all the power it can apply.
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User currently offlinetitanmiller From United States of America, joined May 2006, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11769 times:

I'd be scared about the fuel system not being able to supply the engines with such an extreme climb.

Extremely impressive.


User currently offlineCFMitch56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11723 times:

Hehe, that looks like more than the maximum 22º nose high the flight director will command on takeoff.

User currently offlineJohnM From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 11556 times:

I think if that was done today, somebody would be in trouble....

User currently offlinePolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11121 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 7):
Oddly I will say that this makes think of what an empty 777 could do.

Simply staed an aircraft is required to be able to take off at max weight with one engine out, so with the KC-10 being "light" it has way more than fifty percent more power than needed available with three engines that it can tap to create a stunt like this.

So a 772F (for example) will have well beyond twice as much power available to it with both engines working than it needs for take off. So it should be/will be an amazing take-off to see with all the power it can apply.

Of course this could apply to most any twin engine jet.

Tugg

777 LR/F Empty = 320 klbs Thrust = 230 klbf, T/W = .719. Empty - Thrust = 90 klb
KC-10 Empty = 241 klbs Thrust = 155 klbf, T/W = .643, Empty - thrust = 86 klb

So if the take off is done at a set speed, and go 90 degrees right away, KC-10 will decelerate slower because of the difference in weight and thrust.

I don't know how thrust to weight ratio play into this equation



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User currently online747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3724 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10811 times:

I know MD-11 had steep take offs, now I know if pushed DC-10/KC-10, can take off steep also.

Thank you for posting the video.  


User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6839 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10785 times:

The Dutch Air Force do it as well at air shows (30sec, just after the wheels come up)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEdH7b3OdC8&feature=related



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User currently offlineredflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4376 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10499 times:

Quoting oly720man (Reply 14):
(30sec, just after the wheels come up)

Why fast-forward to the 30 sec mark? That fly-by was unbelievably beautiful watching it in its entirety. Thanks for posting!



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User currently offlineCross757 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9598 times:

Well as the title of the video says, it was filmed at an airshow at Seymour-Johnson AFB in NC, so certainly the aircraft had no cargo, no pax, and not one more pound of fuel on board then was absolutely necessary for the flight. My guess is the airplane probably landed about 20 or 30 minutes later.

Very cool video though...thanks for sharing the link!


User currently offlinegordomatic From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9205 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 6):
I cannot imagine being there, that was scary, even after the fact.
Quoting JohnM (Reply 11):
I think if that was done today, somebody would be in trouble....

This KC10 take-off was filmed October 1991. Although uneventful, watching it reminded me of the B52 crash at Fairchild AFB June 1994. I still see the occasional news article about USAF aircraft & airmen lost to accidents while hot-dogging for air-shows. I think the most recent was the C17 crash at Elmendorf AFB June 2010 - right?

It is amazing & impressive to see - and I know these guys are supposed to know what they are doing (flying tankers & bombers like fighters) but it is tragic when things go wrong and folks die.


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User currently offlineA5XX From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8731 times:

Performing a high AOA takeoff like that...looks great, but the last thing you want to happen, is an uncontained engine failure.


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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2121 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8698 times:

Quoting A5XX (Reply 18):
is an uncontained engine failure.

Uncontained or contained, either way you're screwed. The engine failure would be the problem, regardless of containment.  



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8220 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8667 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 7):
Oddly I will say that this makes think of what an empty 777 could do.

Not sure if this is the best idea with the 777. I wouldn't want to find out there wasn't enough rudder authority to compensate for that level of asymmetric thrust in an already mushy handling scenario.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6829 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 8611 times:

Quoting JohnM (Reply 11):
I think if that was done today, somebody would be in trouble....

According to one comment, they were told to "never do that again".



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User currently offlineBeakerLTN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7329 times:

Wow! - I think for the first time, after watching many youtube 'hey look at this insane pilot taking off with a 5kt crosswind' clips, we really have found one that genuinly is! Mad as a hat. Fantastic!


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User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7147 times:

Since it's referred to as an airshow takeoff, and there seem to be quite a few videos of such takeoffs, I'm guessing it was fairly routine at air shows.

User currently offlineWESTERN737800 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 693 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6907 times:

Very impressive! Just by looking at it, I imagine they had no cargo/min. fuel. I would not want to be sitting up front if one of the engines quit though.


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25 thegman : freaking cool, yes! Practical, no.
26 timpdx : pffft. Call me when they do a cobra maneuver in a KC-10 (actually very impressed)
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