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User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7423 posts, RR: 50
Posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14021 times:
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So it is said that Discovery will go to Smithsonian Museum in DC where Enterprise is currently located. So where will Endeavor and Atlantis go? The USAF Museum at WPAFB in Ohio is angling for one, specifically Atlantis since it has carried the most USAF-related space projects. March Field Air Museum in CA, and and the Brazos Valley Science and Industry Museum. But with the latter 2, would they seriously get a shuttle over the Museum of Flight here in Seattle(if they are in the running at all)? Is the MoF campaigning for one? I would think they would be a front-runner for one of them considering Boeing's contribution to Space Exploration(and that the shuttle was carried on the back of a 747. Will Enterprise end up at one of the other museums?


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User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 913 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13992 times:

I hope the USAF museum gets Atlantis, it is the closest big aviation museum to me (7 hours away!).


Enterprise will remain the property of the Smithsonian, but will be loaned to another museum. She will get 1 last flight on the SCA to her destination. Enterprise has already had a check-out to make sure she is still flight worthy (she is).


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3756 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 13969 times:
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yes Seattle is campaigning for one.. they broke ground for the building last week. Plus with Bonnie Dunbar pushing for it there is a good chance.

we hashed this out on this thread awhile ago Intrepid Museum,NY, Space Shuttle? (by soon7x7 Sep 7 2010 in Military Aviation & Space Flight)

[Edited 2011-03-10 20:18:16]

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31259 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 13937 times:
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I think we (Seattle) should get Enterprise and the SCA together.  

User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13704 posts, RR: 61
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13913 times:
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I see Endeavour going to KSC and Atlantis going to JSC. Enterprise will go to the Museum of Flight.

Intrepid - following their abysmal handling of the Concorde - will get nothing.



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User currently offlinechuchoteur From France, joined Sep 2006, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13900 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
I think we (Seattle) should get Enterprise and the SCA together.

Was going to say that!
That would be aaaaaawesome!


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13787 times:

Have they thought of having one of the Space Shuttles going to a foreign Air and Space Museum?

After all, France and the UK have sent 3 Concordes to the United States, one in Seattle, one in Manhattan and one at the NASM at Washington Dulles.

It would be a good idea that one of the Shuttles be sent to the Air and Space Museum at Le Bourget for example. The Paris Air Show is one of the world's biggest and most visited - the Museum has two Concordes. A Space Shuttle would make a really great addition to the Musée de l'Air's collection.

     



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3756 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 13762 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
would be a good idea that one of the Shuttles be sent to the Air and Space Museum at Le Bourget for example. The Paris Air Show is one of the world's biggest and most visited - the Museum has two Concordes. A Space Shuttle would make a really great addition to the Musée de l'Air's collection.

generally not a bad idea... except for the security issue, no one wants the Iranian/Chinese/etc in to reverse engineer their own shuttle... Does San Marino have room?

biggest problem is there were a few more Concordes than shuttles


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 13742 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 7):
no one wants the Iranian/Chinese/etc in to reverse engineer their own shuttle

This is a good point.

I guess the engines will be taken off before the Shuttles are delivered to their respective museums?

  



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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2941 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 13667 times:

I personally hope that the Intrepid gets a shuttle but the issue would be where would they store it, and where would they then put the Concorde ?

As seen here. not much room:

http://images.travelpod.com/tripwow/photos/ta-00ae-2312-e679/uss-intrepid-new-york-city-united-states+1152_12882337183-tpfil02aw-8032.jpg



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User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2774 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13612 times:

The Space Shuttles deserve much better than the Intrepid... They could hardly take care of Concorde. As a Oregonian, I would completely support the Shuttle and SCA going to Seattle. Would be perfect.  


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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3756 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13600 times:
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Quoting KPDX (Reply 10):
I would completely support the Shuttle and SCA going to Seattle. Would be perfect.


maybe we could "loan" the SCA to OMSI...

Quoting alberchico (Reply 9):
personally hope that the Intrepid gets a shuttle but the issue would be where would they store it, and where would they then put the Concorde ?


here's the Intrepid plan... and a pain to clean the seagull stuff off the glass
http://www.intrepidmuseum.org/shuttle/media.html


User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2382 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13591 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
Have they thought of having one of the Space Shuttles going to a foreign Air and Space Museum?

No - in the original info NASA published soliciting requests from museums, it specifically stated they must be US-based.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 13449 times:

Quoting moose135 (Reply 12):

It would be a good idea to send one of the Space Shuttles to Europe.
The U.S. Museums have got 3 of our Concordes.
Unfortunately I doubt they will change their mind on this.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31259 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13427 times:
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If we had all five of the original space-capable frames, I'd certainly support sending one to Europe. However, with only three available (plus Enterprise), I concur they should stay "home", so to speak, in the US.



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 4):
I see Endeavour going to KSC and Atlantis going to JSC.

The U.S. Space & Rocket Center at Huntsville already has Pathfinder (the mock-up/simulator), so not sure KSC and JSC need an orbiter.


User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1722 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13418 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 7):
generally not a bad idea... except for the security issue, no one wants the Iranian/Chinese/etc in to reverse engineer their own shuttle

Really? What are they going to do? Steal a space shuttle from a museum? Seriously, put down the Clancy books and take off the tin-foil hat.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 8):
This is a good point.

A good point? Good grief.

The Evergreen Museum in Oregon (home of the Spruce Goose) likes to think it's in the running for a shuttle. They've built a new space flight building with an access door to fit a shuttle. It's a very nice museum, but it seems an unlikely choice considering the competition. Maybe they're looking to get Enterprise? They already have several items on loan from the Smithsonian. IMO, it would be nice to have one of the shuttles on the West Coast



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13409 times:

One should be in Palmdale's Joe Davies Heritage Airpark, after all the Shuttles were built there.

User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3756 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13406 times:
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Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 15):
Really?

sometimes sarcasm is wasted on realists


User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2774 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13391 times:

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 15):

The Evergreen Museum in Oregon (home of the Spruce Goose) likes to think it's in the running for a shuttle. They've built a new space flight building with an access door to fit a shuttle. It's a very nice museum, but it seems an unlikely choice considering the competition. Maybe they're looking to get Enterprise? They already have several items on loan from the Smithsonian. IMO, it would be nice to have one of the shuttles on the West Coast

I'd love to see the shuttle go to Evergreen Air Museum but it's unlikely in my opinion.

With that said, EAM have some of the best facilities of any museum and are constantly expanding. They have constructed a huge brand new building just for space related aircraft, etc. They accumulate more and more aircraft every year (including a Lockheed Constellation which is coming soon) and maintain their aircraft beautifully.  



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1380 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 13313 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 14):
The U.S. Space & Rocket Center at Huntsville already has Pathfinder (the mock-up/simulator), so not sure KSC and JSC need an orbiter.

Why?

Houston and the Cape are the most visible NASA locations for the Shuttle. The Astronauts live, train, and work in Houston on a day to day basis, and it is mission control. The shuttle launch from the cape.

Of the three full shuttles plus Enterprise I'd give them JSC-Houston, KSC-Cape, Simthsonian, and USAF museum.

I did hear that that Kansas space museum was pushing hard for one (an NPR story IIRC) but the ones I listed were seen as "front runners" which I agree with.



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8971 posts, RR: 39
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13290 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 19):
Houston and the Cape are the most visible NASA locations for the Shuttle.

Houston, Cape, California and DC (A&S Museum) would make the most sense to me.



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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1950 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13281 times:

The USAF Museum WILL get Atlantis...bank on it.

User currently offlineBureaucromancer From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 13243 times:

IMO one of the flight worthy shuttles should get to the west coast, the Air Force museum should (and will) get one which in practice means that one of JSC or KSC will be stuck with Intrepid, which really doesn't bother me too much since neither NASA site is really equipped to display one properly. I really hate the thought of one of the actual shuttles crumbling away outside like the Saturn Vs are, but, frankly, I can't bring myself to care all that much about how Intrepid is treated, and from what I've heard it's been turned into a pretty respectable representation of the Shuttle as a type.

PS: While I don't have a specific reason for it, the more I think about it the more I think Endeavor should be the one for the west coast.

[Edited 2011-03-12 23:50:33]

User currently offlineeksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1317 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 13205 times:
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Quoting Bureaucromancer (Reply 22):
which really doesn't bother me too much since neither NASA site is really equipped to display one properly.

Utter rubbish! As a person who practically considers KSC a second home, I object to your opinion as the truth is far different.


Have you ever visited NASA-KSC and done the visitor tour in the last 15 years?

The Saturn V is stored in a climate controlled building that houses the entire vehicle and there are beautifully curated exhibits that allows the general public to experience the wonders of the Apollo missions. These facilities have been around for almost 20 years. The following are a few pictures of it.

Saturn V building interior with rocket.

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Quoting Bureaucromancer (Reply 22):
I really hate the thought of one of the actual shuttles crumbling away outside like the Saturn Vs are,

There are NO Saturn Vs crumbling away outside! Both have been moved inside and exhibits have been built around them! KSC's Saturn V was moved indoors in the mid 1990s. JSC's went inside in 2007.

By the way, those rockets were/are owned by the Smithsonion and their upkeep and maintenance was their responsibility.

http://www.space.com/4102-houston-restored-moon-rocket.html

Quoting Bureaucromancer (Reply 22):
I really hate the thought of one of the actual shuttles crumbling away outside like the Saturn Vs are

Moot point. The RFP clearly states the expectations of the storage for the orbiters. These include climate controlled facilities. The orbiters will remain property of the US Gov. They will be merely lending them for display. You can google this.

Quoting Bureaucromancer (Reply 22):
While I don't have a specific reason for it, the more I think about it the more I think Endeavor should be the one for the west coast.

Good. Because Endeavour's work flow has it ending at NASA-KSC i.e. staying at KSC These are the preparation for it. If you are a betting person, I recommend you bet against yourself.

The NASA-KSC visitor center artist plan:
http://www.collectspace.com/images/news-080210a/015.jpg


watchout for April 12 as that is currently stated as the decision day that NASA Admin. Bolden will announce the final resting places.

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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3566 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13182 times:
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Quoting eksath (Reply 23):
There are NO Saturn Vs crumbling away outside! Both have been moved inside and exhibits have been built around them! KSC's Saturn V was moved indoors in the mid 1990s. JSC's went inside in 2007.

The trouble is NASA was in no hurry to get the Saturn Vs indoors. It took decades!! And they were crumbling prior to going indoors. Cannot be allowed to happen with the orbiters. USAF Museum & Smithsonian have indoor display space available now. Can JSC & KSC say that? When will space be available? What is the schedule for tearing down the OPFs?

Any new facilities at KSC & JSC will need to be available before the OPFs come down, or is there an alternate storage location available?

KSC & JSC do not have a good track record of caring for historical hardware. I'd rather see an orbiter go to the Kansas Cosmosphere vs KSC/JSC.



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25 Post contains links and images alberchico : Just out of curiosity assuming the Intrepid does not get a shuttle, how much would it cost to commission a high quality mock up like this? http://www.
26 ZANL188 : How much money have you got? that's what it'll cost... lol
27 DiamondFlyer : That's not going to happen. They don't have the space for it, probably don't have the money to build a building for it, and with the somewhat recent
28 Post contains links and images eksath : The Saturn Vs were given to the Smithsonian at the end of the program. The onus for preservation was with the Smithsonian and not NASA. Moot point ag
29 kanban : adding the locations of these mockups would be appreciated....
30 ZANL188 : NASA sure showed a lot of care and concern with those boosters rotting in their front yard. And the S-IC still outdoors at Michoud? Check again... Fa
31 Post contains links and images ZANL188 : ... and in regard to the OPFs... http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2007/...ns-ksc-buildings-to-be-demolished/ Michoud S-IC. Didn't fare to well during Ka
32 Oroka : IIRC it cost some Japanese investors over $1m back in the 80s to upgrade Pathfinder to a visually accurate analogue to the real Shuttles. So, you are
33 eksath : I did not mean these would be the final facilities. A new facility to showcase the orbiter is planned and will take at least a year plus to come onli
34 ZANL188 : Any facility at KSC is likely to be difficult to access and a money grab. Stand in line, buy a pricey ticket, wait for the bus, see the exhibit, wait
35 Post contains images alberchico : You're forgetting the 90F temperatures during the summer.
36 Bureaucromancer : Just to clarify (since I can't seem to edit the post again) where I referred to Intrepid I was meaning the Pathfinder vehicle, not the Intrepid museum
37 ZANL188 : Well yeah there is that too... NASM & USAF Museum have room to display the orbiters today & visitors can readily access them without all the
38 Post contains images dumbell2424 : Not to go totally off topic here, but will the SCA see any museum potential? Or will it see the blades of a guillotine?
39 jetjack74 : Potential? I think everything has potential, but it always comes back to whether it's in NASA's best interests to donate them or sell them for scrap.
40 alberchico : Perhaps the cockpit or front fuselage section MIGHT be preserved but I can't see anything else from those planes surviving....
41 eksath : It is very expensive to remove all the hazardous material out of the orbiters. The $28 million is for that. The ferry flight is a about $500K (if my
42 kanban : Boeing has leased one of the 747's for shuttling the Phantom Ray test a/c to and from the Edwards... or where ever they want to test them
43 DiamondFlyer : It's not that far from Ellington over to JSC, is it? I'd imagine it's possible to get it there, but it will take a lot of creative planning, for sure
44 Post contains links alberchico : You could try a heavyift chopper http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=835925
45 eksath : Yes. That is what I meant. Yes. It is. The SCA has previously brought orbiters for "show and tell" at EFD. The JSC folks and Houston has a big push t
46 kanban : Isn't there also language at stipulates the receiving museum must be adjacent to a runway capable of handling the 747 and orbiter for delivery?
47 eksath : It does not. Here are some relevant paragraphs from the 2010 "NASA Follow-up Request for Information on Space Shuttle Orbiter Placement". "Air ferry
48 Stitch : A literal reading of that would knock out the USAF Museum and the Smithsonian, as well as the Museum of Flight (since Boeing/Rockwell didn't build th
49 kanban : good point, however it is the museum most connected with Boeing... and somehow the Museum of Flight thinks they're in the running because they just b
50 alberchico : Which is why the Intrepid is a viable candidate considering their association with the space program as a recovery ship during the Gemini missions...
51 moose135 : In addition, shuttle wings were build by Grumman Aerospace, and parts of the tail assembly were build by Fairchild Republic, both nearby on Long Isla
52 Stitch : Well that expansion has always been planned and I have been told is actually part of the contract that landed them the Concorde (which states that it
53 kanban : yes like several other expansion ideas... it's just this month's museum magazine (and I agree it's only public relations) makes a big point of it bei
54 Post contains links and images andz : Send one back to Cape Town http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWVc_jmuf7w
55 Eagleboy : Well I would assume that the tech of the shuttles are pretty much known by now. If China wanted a shuttle they could build their own,they are doing a
56 Post contains links FlyingSicilian : http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7496736.html Fair Use: I hope JSC gets it.
57 nonrevman : My best guess would be Smithsonian, since a deal has already been made, KSC, since it was the site of the launches, JSC, since it has the astronaut tr
58 nonrevman : I hope so as well. Only problem is that Texas is a "red" state. Really, I hope the decision can be made free of political maneuvering, but this is ou
59 Post contains images 328JET : I hope that Germany is getting one for Speyer. It would be the perfect addition to the Buran.
60 Post contains links alberchico : Looks like the final decision will be made tomorrow. http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science...011-04-11-shuttle-retirement_N.htm Will people be allowed
61 Post contains images EA CO AS : Are you SURE you don't want to be a nightclub comic? You're a funny guy. My bets are - Discovery to the Smithsonian, Atlantis to JSC, Endeavour to KS
62 nonrevman : OK, Here is my final prediction: (1) The one we already know: Discovery goes to the Smithsonian in DC (2) Endeavor goes to Kennedy Space Center in Flo
63 HaveBlue : I do not see the Smithsonian getting two and the USAF Museum getting none, that's just me. I know some disagree but I don't see one going to JSC.
64 moose135 : I was last at the NMAF in 2007, and they were already displaying plans to house the shuttle, so I don't think it's quite the political grab by Obama
65 eksath : However, there are very powerful Republican members of Space committees that influence,control NASA's purse strings hence Bolden better know which si
66 Stitch : HSV has Pathfinder, so I think they're covered. I'd be fine with Enterprise coming here to Seattle. I'd also like to see us get the 747 Carrier, as w
67 Post contains links 328JET : http://speyer.technik-museum.de/en
68 Post contains images alberchico : I'm still hoping that the Intrepid will nab a shuttle. Or at least a I hope the USS Intrepid lands one
69 Post contains links STT757 : NY papers are reporting the Enterprise is going to the Intrepid, http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/..._intrepid_seaairspace_museum_.html[Edited 2011
70 Post contains images Mir : Well, at least they won't screw up one that's flown in space. -Mir
71 HaveBlue : I think that's unfortunate, if true.
72 KPDX : Jesus christ... What a damn shame.
73 STT757 : As a New Yorker I agree.
74 bikerthai : Yep, from the WSJ article, it seems that politics may have played a big part considering how important New York, Florida and Texas are big electoral
75 nonrevman : If the NY release is true, that would imply that relevance to the program is not an issue here, more like deals were made in a back room somewhere. Th
76 HaveBlue : I agree with the exception of Seattle. I thought it would be Ohio, KSC, Smithsonian and maybe JSC. NY never even crossed my mind as a viable option.
77 nonrevman : It's worse than I thought. Here is a portion of what the Dayton Daily News is reporting: WASHINGTON – The space shuttle will not be coming to Wright
78 bikerthai : All the noted locations are large destination spots. As good a reason as any other reason mentioned here. If true, I think it would be a sound decisi
79 Mir : Except that neither New York nor Texas are battleground states - you know which way they're going to vote. My four would have been DC (Discovery), KS
80 moose135 : It's official... Discovery to Air & Space Museum, Udvar-Hazy Center Endeavor to California Science Center, Los Angeles, CA Atlantis to Kennedy Spa
81 Post contains images bikerthai : Not battle ground states, but they have big congressional delegation (this decision would have little to do with political party, rather political cl
82 Post contains images Galaxy5007 : Bummed that the USAF museum isn't getting one 3 on the east coast and one on the west.
83 Post contains images alberchico : YEEEEEEEESSSS As a New Yorker I love the idea of having a shuttle The USS Intrepid played a part in the moon race as a recovery ship...
84 Post contains links alberchico : video of the announcement if anybodys interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9IgjWpjCrM&feature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?
85 flybulldog : I do not see in any way how LA or NY should get a shuttle over Dayton. I thought the shuttle did a lot of military work.
86 alberchico : Is it possible that the Shuttle Explorer mock up at KSC might be moved to Houston as a consolation prize ?They don't really need 2 shuttles now.
87 charles79 : Excellent choices all around!!! NYC, Los Angeles, Washington, DC and Central Florida, possibly the four biggest tourist destinations in the country.
88 DeltaRules : So if you're an American living in the middle of the country wanting to go see a Space Shuttle up close, you have to go to Los Angeles, Florida, New Y
89 alberchico : Keep in mind NY was the home of Grumman which made many contributions to the space race including designing the lunar lander. Not to mention the USS
90 474218 : Southern California has some connection? All the Shuttles were built at the Rockwell International facilities USAF Plant 42 Site 1, Palmdale, Califor
91 Post contains images nra-3b : Ok, here is my take on this....... Discovery to Air and Space Museum.... totally appropriate.. Atlantis to Kennedy Space Center .... well deserved...
92 Post contains images Longhornmaniac : This is an absolute crock of horses*it. The fact that JSC got snubbed is absolutely ridiculous. There is no place on this planet more important to the
93 nonrevman : Quoting Bolden: "I think you will find when the announcement is made that every place receiving an orbiter has a historical connection to the space sh
94 HaveBlue : That has little to no bearing with me, the fact that it was involved in Apollo should not have put it ahead of Dayton, a national treasure of our ent
95 moose135 : Actually, as I mentioned above, Grumman built the wings for the shuttles, and Long Island based Fairchild Republic built sections of the tail.
96 alberchico : There is a quote I saw on another forum that sums it up perfectly: '' Politics designed the Shuttle. Only fitting it decides where they end up.''
97 moose135 : I guess it all depends on where you sit. I'm not surprised someone from Dallas/Fort Worth would feel that way.
98 red329 : Here's a little stat about Columbus, OH, which is about an hour east of Dayton on I-70; "Columbus is located within 550 miles (890 km) of half of the
99 Post contains images FRAspotter : The news on CNN stated that one of the requirements for a Shuttle to go somewhere would be that it has a climate and temperature controlled structure
100 Drewski2112 : I'm quite shocked the Intrepid is getting a shuttle. And the California museum of what? It's absolutely shameful. Speaking as a local of the Pacific N
101 Post contains links gunsontheroof : If it's any consolation to those of us backing Seattle's MOF bid, the museum will be getting the full-fuselage trainer for its new space gallery: http
102 474218 : One other thing to consider, the Shuttles will be donated at no charge. However, the receiving museum must pay a $29M transportation fee.
103 moose135 : They have plans in place to construct a building to house the shuttle. Drawings I've seen show it to be a glass-walled building, so the shuttle will
104 Post contains images DeltaRules : Maybe the 747s can go to Dayton and Houston if they're being retired.
105 Post contains images eksath : Current plans are that N905NA will continue to operational post STS program in various roles including scientific experiments, N911NA will become the
106 Post contains images eksath : I think Houston should be happy that they got Mission Control thanks to the pork barrelling of President Johnson. With President Johnson there would n
107 AirRyan : How in the world other than politics does LA get a shuttle over Houston?
108 FRAspotter : Engine test beds? Can't really see a future other than the scrap yard...
109 Stitch : While we don't get an orbiter, it has been announced that the Museum of Flight in Seattle will get NASA's "full-fuselage shuttle trainer" currently at
110 HaveBlue : Precisely!!!!
111 Post contains images MadameConcorde : True. My question is... where will they house Shuttle Enterprise? Enterprise needs to have a cover. They never built a cover for Concorde. I don't se
112 Post contains images bj87 : I hope they send at least one to Europe. Otherwise we will have to demand Concorde back
113 moose135 : They will construct a building for Enterprise. That was one of the requirements to make a qualifying bid, that the shuttle will be kept in a climate-
114 Post contains links STT757 : If folks on here are angry now, just read some of the ungrateful responses from the NY media whining about getting a 'fake" Shuttle. http://www.nydail
115 kanban : no let's see which candidate can not afford the delivery and/or building/display cost... these puppies may yet be moved around... also since Seattle's
116 SLCPilot : KSC - Deserved UH Center - Deserved Intrepid - Good location, very poor track record of preservation LA - OK location, no track record of preservation
117 HaveBlue : Yes! Anyone who has been to the USAF museum can attest to how utterly amazing that place is, how extremely well they keep their birds, and how as the
118 bikerthai : What about the solid fuel boosters? Any talk about those boosters going anywhere? I know they are not as sexy as the shuttle, but they are historical
119 Post contains links and images fxramper : Total slap in the face to Houston JSC. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/7518946.html
120 alberchico : Its located in the most densely populated region of the country, thats why it was chosen. They could always shove Concorde off the pier onto a floati
121 Braniff747SP : I agree. Their air museum is nice, but, they already have a DC-8 outside detiriorating; Where will Endeavour go? If they build a new pavillion, fine,
122 gunsontheroof : I can't believe this clown gets paid to write in the paper--talk about a self-inflated sense of importance! NYC has no shortage of cool things to see
123 moose135 : It's the Daily News...you don't take it seriously.
124 kanban : Interesting, I asked my grandkids which they would prefer going to see... the actual shuttle where you could only stand back and gawk or the simulator
125 mah4546 : The museum is building a new $200M air and space pavilion. I'm willing to bet the fact that the shuttle was built in Los Angeles has something to do
126 sprout5199 : Well said. The only one the should be sort of pissed is the USAF museum. JSC was political from the start, and should be closed down and all future m
127 gunsontheroof : I was surprised to find that they bring in as many visitors as they do given their location. Considering their large aircraft collection and solid re
128 canoecarrier : To be fair, the Museum of Flight in Seattle never built a cover for their Concorde. It, and the first 747, are both static displays outside. That sai
129 Post contains links nonrevman : Actually, it looks like this will get a lot uglier than that. Houston lawmakers are going to try to block the move of the Enterprise to NY. http://bl
130 gunsontheroof : I've heard of plans for a covered gallery for the Concorde/747/737/727/707, but the Space Gallery is sucking up a lot of money at MOF at the moment.
131 canoecarrier : True, and it would have to be one really large covered shelter to get those aircraft indoors our out of the elements. That would be expensive and tak
132 charles79 : I'm sorry but this is just a bit ridiculous. As other posters have already stated, Houston has already benefited tremendously from the presence of th
133 Post contains links and images alberchico : Here is a good article from a NASA insider on why Houston lost: http://waynehale.wordpress.com/2011/...why-houston-did-not-get-a-shuttle/ And here is
134 eksath : I am at liberty to say as the news is public in many media locations now but not open knowledge the time of our original discussion. The commercial c
135 Post contains links eksath : the deal is signed. "Boeing to Build Commercial Spacecraft at Kennedy, Create 550 Jobs CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. -- In an innovative agreement that will c
136 Post contains links and images eksath : I guess the fat lady has sung at KSC! The KSC visitor center started tours of the VAB. If you go right now, you will get to see 105 in high bay 4 ins
137 ZANL188 : Guess I need to eat a little crow and go take the tour... lol
138 bennett123 : I did hear about corrosion on the USS Intrepid Concorde. However, when I visited in 2006, there did not seem to be obvious evidence of it.
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