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MiG Shot Down In Libya - Video  
User currently offlineoutbackair From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 35 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8906 times:
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Just seen on BBC, a MiG 23 or 27 shot down. Assume it's government, but rebels were said to have a figher and some Hinds.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12794589

Some pretty clear photos here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12794623

[Edited 2011-03-19 03:15:59]

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User currently offlineTripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1124 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8850 times:
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Quoting outbackair (Thread starter):
Just seen on BBC, a MiG 23 or 27 shot down.

From the looks of it - or more specifically, the pointy nose - it's a MiG-23ML or MLD.

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User currently offlineetherealsky From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8545 times:

The Guardian is reporting that the jet was operated by rebel forces.

On a related note; what is happening with (or has happened to) the Mirage F1s and their crews that landed in Malta on Feb. 21st? Did they gain asylum? What will happen to the equipment?



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User currently offlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8415 times:

How do rebel forces obtain MiGs?

Are they defectors from the Libyan Air Force, or obtained from ... who knows where?


User currently offlineJJJ From Spain, joined May 2006, 1891 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8367 times:

A good part of the military sided with the rebels so it's a safe bet to assume they're Lybian AF equipment.

User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7427 times:
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Quoting the BBC site linked above:

"Correspondents say the chances of surviving after such a late ejection are slim."

Are Mig-23s not equiped with zero/zero seats?


User currently offlineoutbackair From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7391 times:
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Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 5):

The chances of surviving Ghadaffi's forces on the ground if he landed among them are zero!


User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2989 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7251 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 5):
Are Mig-23s not equiped with zero/zero seats?

Nope.


I think all of the MiG-23 variants have the KM-1M ejection seat. While it's not a zero/zero seat, it has a pretty wide envelope - something like 0-20,000 meters altitude and 150-1200 knots airspeed. The problem in this case would come from the extreme nose-down angle and rate of descent at the time of ejection.



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7816 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6730 times:

According to the Mail on Sunday, it was a "friendly fire" loss.

Still they also said it was a Mirage.

Funny thing was that they had a picture of a MIG23 yesterday, and the pictures of the shoot down today but did not realise that both pictures were the same type.


User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2843 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6285 times:

Quoting etherealsky (Reply 2):
On a related note; what is happening with (or has happened to) the Mirage F1s and their crews that landed in Malta on Feb. 21st? Did they gain asylum? What will happen to the equipment?

I thought Malta was neutral. Someone mentioned in a different thread that the paperwork to release the planes would take months if not years.



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7816 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6214 times:

With a bit of luck, they will still be there in September, (Malta International Airshow).

User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2843 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6185 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 10):
With a bit of luck, they will still be there in September, (Malta International Airshow).

Highly likely given the talk in this thread.

Two Libyan Mirage F-1's Defect To Malta (by lmml 14/32 Feb 21 2011 in Military Aviation & Space Flight)



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User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5970 times:
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Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 10):
With a bit of luck, they will still be there in September, (Malta International Airshow).

Silver lining for spotters?


User currently offlinelmml 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5944 times:

Who uses callsign "Chaos"?

User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2843 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5757 times:

Quoting lmml 14/32 (Reply 13):
Who uses callsign "Chaos"?

Typhoons from Royal Air Force 3SQN Coningsby maybe?
http://www.the-guide.nl/callsign/split/c/4/



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User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2843 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5683 times:

Imml, I'm almost positive now that "Chaos" is used by RAF 121st Expeditionary Air Wing, RAF Coningsby 3rd Squadron operating Typhoon FGR4's out of Italy right now.


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User currently offlinelmml 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5536 times:

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 14):
Typhoons from Royal Air Force 3SQN Coningsby maybe?
http://www.the-guide.nl/callsign/spl.../c/4/

That's a great guide to callsigns. Thanks.

I also hear several EXON callsigns. So, according to this list there are F111's in action over the Med too.


User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2843 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5413 times:

Quoting lmml 14/32 (Reply 16):
I also hear several EXON callsigns. So, according to this list there are F111's in action over the Med too.

I'd guess the aircraft list is a little old, but the call signs don't change. "Exon" belongs to the USAF 48th Fighter Wing, now operating F-15s. That downed F-15 likely came from that squadron.

http://www.lakenheath.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=10661



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