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Limitations Keep F-22 From Use In Libya Ops  
User currently offlinestevenlee505 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 69 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5944 times:

http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/20...ptor-absent-from-libya-ops-032211/

I thought the reason that F-22s weren't deployed to Libya were due to the logistics problems involved with the stealth coating on the aircraft. I read somewhere that they need to be in special climate-controlled hangers, though I may be confusing it with the B-2.

F-22s aren't really needed in Libya, right? It's not like Libya has an air force worth worrying about.

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User currently offlinechecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5762 times:

Without going into how they need to be maintained...

Yes, they could be deployed to that theater. No, they probably don't need to go over there. Yes, they have already been over that way.


User currently offlinenomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1881 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5757 times:

It's more because F-22s can't transmit on the standard Link-16 data link most coalition aircraft use and they aren't really much of a ground attack aircraft anyhow. Plus, you sure don't want to risk F-22 parts showing up at the local bazaar when there's no real need for the plane in this operation.
It'll be different in North Korea. You'd probably see the 22s escorting the B-2s in a real war.

[Edited 2011-03-23 05:45:47]


Andy Goetsch
User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7377 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5704 times:

Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 2):
It'll be different in North Korea. You'd probably see the 22s escorting the B-2s in a real war.

Why, the whole point of stealth is to not attract attention to your presence, you really believe the F-22 is more stealthy than the B2?


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2155 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5609 times:

Quoting par13del (Reply 3):
Why, the whole point of stealth is to not attract attention to your presence, you really believe the F-22 is more stealthy than the B2?

   I can see it now. The B2 is shooing the F-22 away . . . "Get away from me boy, you are attracting too much attention".

Besides, with the limited Libyan radar capability already destroyed, most if not all allied planes are more or less undetectable with respect to the Libyan air defense. Right?

bikerthai



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User currently onlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2951 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5587 times:

If there was a conflict where the F-22 was less needed, I couldn't think of one.

Don't forget, the Russians are in the med with electronic listening ships. No need to fire up the F-22 radar or to give them any good idea of the true stealth signature. All interception missions so far have been flown with external tanks, and clean configuration flights have radar reflectors attached...



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User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1850 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5557 times:
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User currently offlinenomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1881 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5550 times:

Quoting par13del (Reply 3):
Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 2):
It'll be different in North Korea. You'd probably see the 22s escorting the B-2s in a real war.

Why, the whole point of stealth is to not attract attention to your presence, you really believe the F-22 is more stealthy than the B2?

Neither one is invisible and a hopped up Cessna could shoot down a B-2. One villager looking up is all it would take to have 12 Migs after your flying wing butt.



Andy Goetsch
User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5337 times:

As the article states, the data link system is the major negatvie factor, and frankly has been since day one.

Link 16 receive only is not going to cut it. The Air Force knows this, and has for years.

But, the F-22 is not needed in the theatre. Vipers and Beagles can handle.

The "fat guys" are more important right now, AWACS, tankers, RJ.
The fighter pool is coming from all over.

The AWACS coverage 24/7 and possible expanded to multiple orbits is a bigger concern. Espcially with NATO losing some tails to other ops at Geilenkirchen.



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User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7377 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5232 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 4):
"Get away from me boy, you are attracting too much attention".

I would get into the colour thing and day and night flying but, the shooing away is good, works for me  

Bigger question to the experts on this site, how many knew of this limitation in the F-22 communication suite and how were they planning on overcoming that with the F/A version that was proposed, add another few billion?
We know CAS is not the Air Force mantra, maybe they had new tech on the way which would allow one way communication when conducting ground missions.
On the other hand, the Air Force I guess was always jealous of the navy sub commanders who go out on missions and listen only, finally they got the same thing for a few billion less, go figure the Air Force jealous of the navy. 


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