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2 AH-64s Captured By Iraqis  
User currently offlinePlanespotterx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

TV reports claim 2 AH-64's have come down over Iraq, and are in the enemys hands, one Apache is intact, showing that one probobally came down due to mechanical problems, what i dont get is, why didnt the pilots use the gun turrent or missiles to kill any iraqi troops that were closing in, could they have done this??

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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13254 posts, RR: 77
Reply 1, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3140 times:

Clearly an Apache, close ups show the Hellfire missiles still in place.
Maybe a mechanical problem, as it looks very intact, I've only seen one chopper, possibly a second (if there was one) could have driven off or shot down?
If they see a bunch of vehicles and/or troops, sure they can engage, though if they were fighting to keep the chopper flying they may be otherwise occupied.



User currently offlineBapilot2b From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 927 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3148 times:

I heard on the news the 2 Apaches that have been captured are the latest models, the type which the RAF are receiving. And that the RAF have them guarded 24 hours to stop anyone taking a peak at whats on board. If this is so, shouldnt the USAF blow the intact helicopter up to stop the iraqi's trying to use any technology found onboard?


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User currently offlineAtenara From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3138 times:


just saw in CNN, a while ago, the Iraqi information minister has said that they have two apache helicopters and that they do not want to show pictures of the pilots, as the americans might accuse them of violating the geneva convention on POWS.

still kind of sketchy, but you can really see on the video of those hellfire missiles. and those iraqis cheering.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29840 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3126 times:



Well it is definately a Longbow.



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User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

The helicopter is from the 11th Aviation Regiment, based in Illesheim, Germany. Iraq claims "farmers" have shot it down.




Can't see any damage from guns.
Poor crew, poor Longbow  Sad



User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29840 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

That is my old unit and base.

Actually based on the markings it is one of the Air Cav battalions. Most likely 2/6. They where attached to 1st Armoured.

I don't see any obvious damage either.

The story on how this one ended up down is going to be an iteresting one.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29840 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

Actually, if it is one of the 11 Avn Air Cav Battalions, I wonder why it is sporting that 1st Cav decal over the crossed calvery sword.


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User currently offlinePlanespotterx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3106 times:

I wonder if the USAF has trackers on the choppers, will find them on satellite, and send a 1000lb bomb flying its way, to stop the iraqis using it first..

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29840 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

I doubt it.

This is the army we are talking about Big grin

From what I read on CNN it sounds like it was one hell of a firefight on that raid.



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User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

The video was probably recorded soon after the accident, and the chopper has by now been brought to a safe place. The Longbow is probably more capable than any aircraft the Iraqis. However, I doubt the Iraqis have anybody who could repair it or anybody who is able how to learn to fly it fast enough before the war is over.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29840 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

Hopefully in a week or two we will have it back.

That is one aircraft that will end up in a museum if it survives.



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3068 times:

I say destroy it. My fear is that the Iraqis will strip the avionics out of it and hand it over to the Russians. It might sound paranoid but I bet they would love to get their hands on that equipment.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3061 times:

I don't think the Iraqi's have the capability of striping the technology out of it and flying it to Russia, not too many flights coming out of Iraq right now.

The Allies will be in Baghdad soon, so I don't think the aircraft is going anywhere.

There doesn't appear to be any damage, perhaps a mechanical forced them down. It also appears that the Iraqi's have not found the pilots either, hopefully it can stay that way so they can be rescued.



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

Fly it equipment out, no. Take it out overland, yes. That's my worry.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

How through Iran? What Iraqi is going to drive through Iran?


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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3034 times:
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What are the Iraqi's gonna do with it? (The Longbow)



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

The Iraqis are not going to take it through Iran, the Russians would. Considering Russia-Iran defense ties the Iranians would be more than happy to let the Russians use their country as a transit point for such equipment.

User currently offlineFACT From South Africa, joined Jul 2002, 200 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3029 times:

A report I just read on the internet filed by a journalist who visited the helicopter crash site stated that it appeared intact except for signs of shots on its rear rotor. The tail number of helicopter is 95135 (i.e. 99-5135) ... as we can all tell from the photos, it is an AH-64D Longbow Apache. 99-5135 is one of a batch that are remanufactured AH-64As.

I'm also surprised that it hasn't yet been "taken out" by the USAF. I suppose the visuals on TV were the first indicaton of where it had come to ground. Seems like they need to have a few more of those Predator drones with their Hellfire missiles flying around ...



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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13254 posts, RR: 77
Reply 19, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2972 times:

Other AH-64 crews from that unit have reported that hardly any missiles were fired at Iraqi armour, as they were so close to civilian areas.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29840 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

Actually Fox News is now reporting that the USAF has bombed the helo.


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29840 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2945 times:

A newspaper is reporting that the helicopter was not from 11 Avn Bde but Belonged to 1/227th which is the aviation arm of the 1st cav.

Which explains the logo.



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

I wonder if the 30mm AP ammo used by the Apache can penetrate the top armor of a T-55, T-62 or T-72?

User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2840 times:

Yup, thats a First CAV marking there, must be an air attachment to the 1st cavalry.


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29840 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2828 times:

That is what I understood 1st bat. 227 aviation regiment.



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25 Post contains images Lehpron : GOD DAMMIT! Why couldn't the pilots just blow them selves up if they though for a second that they might be in enemy hands? I hope we didn't just 'giv
26 Flyf15 : Lehpron, What. The. Hell.? "just blow them selves up"....god, that sickens me how little you care about people's lives.
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