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Will Doc (B-29) Ever Fly?  
User currently offlineg38 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 229 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Considering what the CAF had to go through to get Fifi back in the air, and the delays that the Doc crew have so far experienced, do you think Doc will actually ever fly? I think it would be absolutely awesome if it did, but as always, with enough money you can do anything, and the project isn't getting any cheaper. Whats the current status? Last I heard, they were waiting on a hanger opening.

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User currently offlinesplitterz From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I would love to see that bird in the air. History!

User currently onlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1355 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

One of the issues with flying the old metal is the aging of the pilot group that has any kind of experience in the airplanes.
The Airline History Museum in Kansas City is on the verge of getting the TWA Connie airworthy, but the retired pilots who used to fly it are getting up there, and some previously involved don't have any interest flying it anymore.

Russ Farris


User currently offlineg38 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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But surely, younger pilots could be trained. Is this not possible, and what would this require?

User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Surely the CAF has a B-29 instructor/examiner that could get some pilots spun up for Doc. As for Doc itself I think it's only a matter of time and money before she flies...


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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4908 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 2):
The Airline History Museum in Kansas City is on the verge of getting the TWA Connie airworthy, but the retired pilots who used to fly it are getting up there, and some previously involved don't have any interest flying it anymore.

There is another Connie that is airworthy and flies - I'm sure they can arrange some sort of training/instruction?

It'll be nice to see another B-29 take to the skies again too.   I'd certainly like to photograph one in the air.  


User currently onlinenomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 2030 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 32767 times:

Maybe they could visit Russia and look for some old TU-4 people.


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12299 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I thought 'Doc' had her engines mounted again? The pic g38 linked to shows her with the engines, cowlings, and wing attachments all removed and faired over with sheet metal.

Shouldn't be hard to getting pilots qualified to fly her when she is ready.


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Looks like some progress has been made. A group called Docs Friends has taken on the restoration project...

http://www.b-29doc.com/index.php



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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1894 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Regarding pilots, I'd think that Boeing would be able to provide some flight instruction, albeit probably not pilots who ever flew a B-29. They designed and built it, so it makes sense, right?

Marc


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 30146 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Well the fact that the website has recent updates is a good sign.


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12299 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

It seems Doc is getting some needed funding to restart her restoration.

http://www.b-29doc.com/news.php

I saw FiFi flying a few years ago here in Fort Worth, truly an amazing site.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14635 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting g38 (Reply 3):
But surely, younger pilots could be trained. Is this not possible, and what would this require?

The bottleneck seems to be not to be based on pilots but on qualified flight engineers. Those old piston prop liners kept the F/E quite busy.

Jan



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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3187 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

What happened to the B-29 that Boeing was restoring to flying condition out in Seattle?

User currently offlinetaxpilot From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 101 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

When I flew the C/EC121 (USAF Super Connie) in the 1970s , we only had a 50-50 chance of getting an engine to 100 hours. Both aircraft used variants of the Wright 3350. "If God had intended the Connie to operate on four engines, he would have given her five."

At the time USAF no longer re-built the big radials. We used civilian contractors.

Seems the age, rebuilding and reliability of these engines would be huge obstacle. I am afraid their time is passing.   


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12299 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting taxpilot (Reply 14):
At the time USAF no longer re-built the big radials. We used civilian contractors.

Seems the age, rebuilding and reliability of these engines would be huge obstacle. I am afraid their time is passing.

I'm afraid you are right. There are fewer and fewer of these companies, that are FAA certified, that can rebuild big radial engines.


User currently offlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Doc is apparently getting the hybrid 3350 - same as FiFi(?)

http://www.b-29doc.com/news.php



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User currently offlinetaxpilot From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 101 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

WOW! Amazing.

I hope this project succedes.


User currently offlinecptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I should suppose that flight crew and maintenance training would one of the more minor worries (we won WWII with teenagers and twenty-somethings in the warbird front offices, no?), plus current CAF guys could be of great assistance.

Dollars large will be the real factor for success. The old saying "we can rebuild ANYTHING with an unlimited checkbook and a data plate" will probably ring true.

I wish them all success. Can you imagine seeing her formating with "FIFI", a couple of B-24s and B-17s. Now THAT would bring chills. best regards...jack

P.S. Anyone up to speed with Kermit Weeks' B-29 resto?



all best; jack
User currently offlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Goal for Doc: Oshkosh 2014!

"And that flight could come next year, according to some of the volunteer crew working to refurbish Doc in a borrowed Wichita hangar. Jeff Turner, chairman of the non­profit group Doc's Friends, said the goal of flying Doc to Oshkosh in 2014 is in sight, but as much as $2 million more needs to be raised to make it happen.



http://www.b-29doc.com/news.php



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User currently offlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 31735 times:
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Doc gets nacelles & props...

https://www.facebook.com/#!/DocsFriends?hc_location=stream



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User currently onlineSooner787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 31651 times:

How cool would a flyby be with both Doc & Fifi be   

User currently offlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 31494 times:
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Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 21):


Goal for Doc is to get her to Oshkosh next year. I haven't seen FiFis schedule for next year but Oshkosh would seem to be a good bet for a meet.



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User currently offlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 28829 times:
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Doc gets some tail feathers..

https://www.facebook.com/#!/DocsFriends



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User currently offlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 26976 times:
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Well maybe Oshkosh in 2015... 

We've waited this long...

http://youtu.be/WusXr33sRjQ



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25 Cadet985 : I came across a video of a flight in "Fifi" and it looked like the pilot was using an iPad for his maps. There's something so wrong about using modern
26 Post contains links zanl188 : New video from Docs Friends: http://youtu.be/Cjde12KPGog
27 Post contains links nomadd22 : http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...w-Wears-All-Four-Engines-amp-Props
28 Post contains links zanl188 : I understand, with the flaps now installed, Doc is structurally complete.... http://youtu.be/wKD8eGyeMDw
29 L-188 : Well unfortunately there aren't a lot of four-course radio ranges to fly these days
30 Post contains images grummancat : Those Lancaster guys in the UK will have nothin' on us! Thinkin' they're so hot 'cause they got 2 Lancs now. Pah I say!
31 Post contains links zanl188 : Doc set to fly in the spring.. http://www.kansas.com/news/business/aviation/article4546947.html
32 rlwynn : The is kind of a silly comment from the atricle.
33 Post contains links Moose135 : They should roll her out of the hangar today: http://www.warbirdsnews.com/warbirds...perfortress-doc-rollout-today.html
34 Post contains links zanl188 : Woot, Woot!! Video of rollout here: http://youtu.be/xlsny7UBv2g
35 HaveBlue : Very cool. I've been lucky enough to see Fifi fly and crawl through her, would be amazing to see Doc flying in person. I wish them well!
36 Post contains links zanl188 : Roll out video from Docs Friends: http://youtu.be/0VaSeXFnO5A
37 Post contains links KC135TopBoom : According to AW&ST, "Doc" will fly later this year, possibly this summer. Taxi test will begin soon. USAAF tail number #45-69972, I don't see her
38 LMP737 : The polished aluminum looks awesome! Can't wait to see her fly.
39 Post contains links zanl188 : Number 3 prop turning... no ignition though... http://youtu.be/NQUUSNd1EuA
40 Post contains links flynlr : Gear swing. . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22uDyJfrLcU
41 diverted : Looking good! My only experience seeing a B-29 in person was seeing Enola Gay at IAD. Massively impressive. Huge props (no pun intended) to all the me
42 Sooner787 : So, any word on 1st flight? Also, are they still planning on Doc attending Oshkosh 2015?
43 Post contains links ZANL188 : Getting closer... Fuel system tests... http://youtu.be/4NFyNwXXr4E
44 Post contains links zanl188 : More news on Doc... http://www.warbirdsnews.com/warbird-...doc-enters-final-stage-flight.html
45 Post contains images Sooner787 : Looking forward to seeing Fifi and Doc hanging out together at Oshkosh 2016
46 zanl188 : I said the same thing for Oshkosh 2014 & 2015! ..... When it happens, it happens I guess....
47 Post contains links ZANL188 : Doc update.... Should be doing taxi tests within the next 4 to 8 weeks.... http://youtu.be/F9_XG025lIo
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