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Will Doc (B-29) Ever Fly?  
User currently offlineg38 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 229 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Considering what the CAF had to go through to get Fifi back in the air, and the delays that the Doc crew have so far experienced, do you think Doc will actually ever fly? I think it would be absolutely awesome if it did, but as always, with enough money you can do anything, and the project isn't getting any cheaper. Whats the current status? Last I heard, they were waiting on a hanger opening.

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User currently offlinesplitterz From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I would love to see that bird in the air. History!

User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1458 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

One of the issues with flying the old metal is the aging of the pilot group that has any kind of experience in the airplanes.
The Airline History Museum in Kansas City is on the verge of getting the TWA Connie airworthy, but the retired pilots who used to fly it are getting up there, and some previously involved don't have any interest flying it anymore.

Russ Farris


User currently offlineg38 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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But surely, younger pilots could be trained. Is this not possible, and what would this require?

User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Surely the CAF has a B-29 instructor/examiner that could get some pilots spun up for Doc. As for Doc itself I think it's only a matter of time and money before she flies...


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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 5058 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 2):
The Airline History Museum in Kansas City is on the verge of getting the TWA Connie airworthy, but the retired pilots who used to fly it are getting up there, and some previously involved don't have any interest flying it anymore.

There is another Connie that is airworthy and flies - I'm sure they can arrange some sort of training/instruction?

It'll be nice to see another B-29 take to the skies again too.   I'd certainly like to photograph one in the air.  


User currently offlinenomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 2145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:

Maybe they could visit Russia and look for some old TU-4 people.


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12367 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I thought 'Doc' had her engines mounted again? The pic g38 linked to shows her with the engines, cowlings, and wing attachments all removed and faired over with sheet metal.

Shouldn't be hard to getting pilots qualified to fly her when she is ready.


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Looks like some progress has been made. A group called Docs Friends has taken on the restoration project...

http://www.b-29doc.com/index.php



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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1975 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Regarding pilots, I'd think that Boeing would be able to provide some flight instruction, albeit probably not pilots who ever flew a B-29. They designed and built it, so it makes sense, right?

Marc


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 30414 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Well the fact that the website has recent updates is a good sign.


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12367 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

It seems Doc is getting some needed funding to restart her restoration.

http://www.b-29doc.com/news.php

I saw FiFi flying a few years ago here in Fort Worth, truly an amazing site.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14968 posts, RR: 61
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting g38 (Reply 3):
But surely, younger pilots could be trained. Is this not possible, and what would this require?

The bottleneck seems to be not to be based on pilots but on qualified flight engineers. Those old piston prop liners kept the F/E quite busy.

Jan



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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3187 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

What happened to the B-29 that Boeing was restoring to flying condition out in Seattle?

User currently offlinetaxpilot From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 102 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

When I flew the C/EC121 (USAF Super Connie) in the 1970s , we only had a 50-50 chance of getting an engine to 100 hours. Both aircraft used variants of the Wright 3350. "If God had intended the Connie to operate on four engines, he would have given her five."

At the time USAF no longer re-built the big radials. We used civilian contractors.

Seems the age, rebuilding and reliability of these engines would be huge obstacle. I am afraid their time is passing.   


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12367 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting taxpilot (Reply 14):
At the time USAF no longer re-built the big radials. We used civilian contractors.

Seems the age, rebuilding and reliability of these engines would be huge obstacle. I am afraid their time is passing.

I'm afraid you are right. There are fewer and fewer of these companies, that are FAA certified, that can rebuild big radial engines.


User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Doc is apparently getting the hybrid 3350 - same as FiFi(?)

http://www.b-29doc.com/news.php



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User currently offlinetaxpilot From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 102 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

WOW! Amazing.

I hope this project succedes.


User currently offlinecptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I should suppose that flight crew and maintenance training would one of the more minor worries (we won WWII with teenagers and twenty-somethings in the warbird front offices, no?), plus current CAF guys could be of great assistance.

Dollars large will be the real factor for success. The old saying "we can rebuild ANYTHING with an unlimited checkbook and a data plate" will probably ring true.

I wish them all success. Can you imagine seeing her formating with "FIFI", a couple of B-24s and B-17s. Now THAT would bring chills. best regards...jack

P.S. Anyone up to speed with Kermit Weeks' B-29 resto?



all best; jack
User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Goal for Doc: Oshkosh 2014!

"And that flight could come next year, according to some of the volunteer crew working to refurbish Doc in a borrowed Wichita hangar. Jeff Turner, chairman of the non­profit group Doc's Friends, said the goal of flying Doc to Oshkosh in 2014 is in sight, but as much as $2 million more needs to be raised to make it happen.



http://www.b-29doc.com/news.php



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User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Doc gets nacelles & props...

https://www.facebook.com/#!/DocsFriends?hc_location=stream



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User currently onlineSooner787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 1422 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

How cool would a flyby be with both Doc & Fifi be   

User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 21):


Goal for Doc is to get her to Oshkosh next year. I haven't seen FiFis schedule for next year but Oshkosh would seem to be a good bet for a meet.



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User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Doc gets some tail feathers..

https://www.facebook.com/#!/DocsFriends



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User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Well maybe Oshkosh in 2015... 

We've waited this long...

http://youtu.be/WusXr33sRjQ



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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1975 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I came across a video of a flight in "Fifi" and it looked like the pilot was using an iPad for his maps. There's something so wrong about using modern electronics in a classic warbird - at least in my opinion.

Marc


User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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New video from Docs Friends:

http://youtu.be/Cjde12KPGog



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Reply 27, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...w-Wears-All-Four-Engines-amp-Props


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User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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I understand, with the flaps now installed, Doc is structurally complete....

http://youtu.be/wKD8eGyeMDw



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 30414 posts, RR: 57
Reply 29, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 25):
There's something so wrong about using modern electronics in a classic warbird - at least in my opinion.

Well unfortunately there aren't a lot of four-course radio ranges to fly these days



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User currently offlinegrummancat From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 21):
How cool would a flyby be with both Doc & Fifi be

Those Lancaster guys in the UK will have nothin' on us!   

Thinkin' they're so hot 'cause they got 2 Lancs now. Pah I say!


User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Doc set to fly in the spring..

http://www.kansas.com/news/business/aviation/article4546947.html



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User currently offlinerlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

The is kind of a silly comment from the atricle.

Quote:
Without today’s avionics that includes a Global Positioning System, it would be impossible to fly “unless you want to hire a navigator with an arm full of maps,” Norman said.



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User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2926 posts, RR: 19
Reply 33, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

They should roll her out of the hangar today:

http://www.warbirdsnews.com/warbirds...perfortress-doc-rollout-today.html



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User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Woot, Woot!!

Video of rollout here:

http://youtu.be/xlsny7UBv2g



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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2170 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Very cool. I've been lucky enough to see Fifi fly and crawl through her, would be amazing to see Doc flying in person. I wish them well!


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User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Roll out video from Docs Friends:

http://youtu.be/0VaSeXFnO5A



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12367 posts, RR: 51
Reply 37, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 36):
Roll out video from Docs Friends:http://youtu.be/0VaSeXFnO5A

According to AW&ST, "Doc" will fly later this year, possibly this summer. Taxi test will begin soon.

USAAF tail number #45-69972, I don't see her FAA registration tail # on her yet.

Here are pictures and the story:

http://aviationweek.com/bca/restored...cle_5#slide-0-field_images-1278221


User currently offlineLMP737 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 5068 posts, RR: 16
Reply 38, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

The polished aluminum looks awesome! Can't wait to see her fly.


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User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Number 3 prop turning... no ignition though...

http://youtu.be/NQUUSNd1EuA



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User currently offlineflynlr From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Gear swing.
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22uDyJfrLcU



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User currently offlinediverted From Canada, joined May 2014, 991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Looking good!

My only experience seeing a B-29 in person was seeing Enola Gay at IAD. Massively impressive.

Huge props (no pun intended) to all the men and women who volunteered their time and expertise to preserve a piece of history in a flying state, allowing us younger generations to get a first hand encounter with her. Seeing a Lancaster, Spitfire, P-51 or any of those old war birds really brings it a lot closer to home than looking at old pictures and images.

Hearing my grandfather's stories of air raids and all the other horrors of WWII, and then actually seeing and hearing those same aircraft types really brings it closer to home.

Again, huge respect to all of those who have served, are serving, and those that have paid the ultimate price.


User currently onlineSooner787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 1422 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 26838 times:

So, any word on 1st flight?

Also, are they still planning on Doc attending Oshkosh 2015?


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (11 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 25635 times:
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Getting closer...

Fuel system tests...

http://youtu.be/4NFyNwXXr4E



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User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 22552 times:
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More news on Doc...

http://www.warbirdsnews.com/warbird-...doc-enters-final-stage-flight.html



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User currently onlineSooner787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 1422 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 22291 times:

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 44):
More news on Doc...

Looking forward to seeing Fifi and Doc hanging out together at Oshkosh 2016   


User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22202 times:
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Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 45):
Looking forward to seeing Fifi and Doc hanging out together at Oshkosh 2016

I said the same thing for Oshkosh 2014 & 2015! ..... When it happens, it happens I guess....



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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 20448 times:
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Doc update....

Should be doing taxi tests within the next 4 to 8 weeks....

http://youtu.be/F9_XG025lIo



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User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 18850 times:
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First engine start tomorrow. Webcast at b29doc.com


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User currently onlineSooner787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 1422 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 18606 times:

Actually, the website is b-29doc.com

And the website says the engine startup with a success this morning,

they say they'll post video later today


User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 18598 times:
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Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 49):
Actually, the website is b-29doc.com

Ah that explains things. The dash makes all the difference...

Video teaser:

http://youtu.be/G67402a4o4c



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Reply 51, posted (8 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 18504 times:
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Full video of engine run...

http://youtu.be/L0ItppiCAVI



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User currently offlineflynlr From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 18602 times:

#2 seemed to be a little temperamental,,,,,,,,,,,, wonder what that was about


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User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13319 times:
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Sounds like it will be spring before Doc get's an ok from the FAA. Also they need a home....

http://youtu.be/kWht11iGIeA

[Edited 2015-12-15 13:45:32]


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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7861 times:
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Doc gets new shoes.....

http://youtu.be/_f_r3ZhKRMI



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 30414 posts, RR: 57
Reply 55, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7703 times:

Any word on their hangar situation?

It would be a shame to have that aircraft damaged in a hailstorm,



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User currently onlineSooner787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 1422 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7568 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 55):
Any word on their hangar situation?

It would be a shame to have that aircraft damaged in a hailstorm,

IIRC , the CAF's B-29 FIFI has been hangared at the Cavanaugh Flight Museum in Addison, TX
( suburb of Dallas)

When the new CAF headquarters opens up in southern Dallas, perhaps the Cavanaugh Museum
could find room in FIFI's old hangar after she moves south?


User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6683 times:
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Another video update....

http://youtu.be/pQ7lq9MfJXU



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User currently offlineKPWMSpotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 502 posts, RR: 2
Reply 58, posted (2 months 6 days ago) and read 6495 times:

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 56):
IIRC , the CAF's B-29 FIFI has been hangared at the Cavanaugh Flight Museum in Addison, TX

FiFi is no longer at Cavanaugh, it now winters in a hangar at the Vintage Flying Museum, on the Fort Worth Meacham Airport (FTW).



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User currently onlineSooner787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 1422 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6181 times:

Quoting KPWMSpotter (Reply 58):
FiFi is no longer at Cavanaugh, it now winters in a hangar at the Vintage Flying Museum, on the Fort Worth Meacham Airport (FTW).

I did not know that. I assume Fifi will move to the new CAF headquarters in southern Dallas
once that's completed?


User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5903 times:
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Doc has temporary shelter from the weather...

http://youtu.be/2ZM2Kp7MJo4



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Reply 61, posted (2 months 1 day ago) and read 5659 times:

They must be getting pretty close~

http://www.kansas.com/news/business/aviation/article68297097.html




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User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4831 times:
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Springtime engine runs in preparation for FAA certification:

http://www.b-29doc.com/2016/04/08/vi...roars-to-life-after-a-winters-nap/

http://youtu.be/8W6d9pFjKpE

[Edited 2016-04-08 17:04:42]


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Reply 63, posted (1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3579 times:
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Doc video update:

http://youtu.be/t_5W4EIb064



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Propeller balancing....

http://youtu.be/-RL1HhLiNZ8



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Low speed taxi testing...

http://youtu.be/bwMG17xhz44



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Reply 66, posted (1 week 3 days 18 hours 36 minutes ago) and read 930 times:
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Doc has her ticket from the FAA. First flight soon.


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