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Will Doc (B-29) Ever Fly?  
User currently offlineg38 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 229 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 30813 times:
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Considering what the CAF had to go through to get Fifi back in the air, and the delays that the Doc crew have so far experienced, do you think Doc will actually ever fly? I think it would be absolutely awesome if it did, but as always, with enough money you can do anything, and the project isn't getting any cheaper. Whats the current status? Last I heard, they were waiting on a hanger opening.

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User currently offlinesplitterz From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 30753 times:

I would love to see that bird in the air. History!

User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1276 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 30740 times:

One of the issues with flying the old metal is the aging of the pilot group that has any kind of experience in the airplanes.
The Airline History Museum in Kansas City is on the verge of getting the TWA Connie airworthy, but the retired pilots who used to fly it are getting up there, and some previously involved don't have any interest flying it anymore.

Russ Farris


User currently offlineg38 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 30680 times:
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But surely, younger pilots could be trained. Is this not possible, and what would this require?

User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 30381 times:
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Surely the CAF has a B-29 instructor/examiner that could get some pilots spun up for Doc. As for Doc itself I think it's only a matter of time and money before she flies...


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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4887 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 30267 times:

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 2):
The Airline History Museum in Kansas City is on the verge of getting the TWA Connie airworthy, but the retired pilots who used to fly it are getting up there, and some previously involved don't have any interest flying it anymore.

There is another Connie that is airworthy and flies - I'm sure they can arrange some sort of training/instruction?

It'll be nice to see another B-29 take to the skies again too.   I'd certainly like to photograph one in the air.  


User currently offlinenomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 30200 times:

Maybe they could visit Russia and look for some old TU-4 people.


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12223 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 30137 times:

I thought 'Doc' had her engines mounted again? The pic g38 linked to shows her with the engines, cowlings, and wing attachments all removed and faired over with sheet metal.

Shouldn't be hard to getting pilots qualified to fly her when she is ready.


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 24552 times:
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Looks like some progress has been made. A group called Docs Friends has taken on the restoration project...

http://www.b-29doc.com/index.php



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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1778 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 24201 times:

Regarding pilots, I'd think that Boeing would be able to provide some flight instruction, albeit probably not pilots who ever flew a B-29. They designed and built it, so it makes sense, right?

Marc


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29908 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 24172 times:

Well the fact that the website has recent updates is a good sign.


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12223 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 23184 times:

It seems Doc is getting some needed funding to restart her restoration.

http://www.b-29doc.com/news.php

I saw FiFi flying a few years ago here in Fort Worth, truly an amazing site.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14389 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 23117 times:

Quoting g38 (Reply 3):
But surely, younger pilots could be trained. Is this not possible, and what would this require?

The bottleneck seems to be not to be based on pilots but on qualified flight engineers. Those old piston prop liners kept the F/E quite busy.

Jan



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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 22951 times:

What happened to the B-29 that Boeing was restoring to flying condition out in Seattle?

User currently offlinetaxpilot From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 101 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 22836 times:

When I flew the C/EC121 (USAF Super Connie) in the 1970s , we only had a 50-50 chance of getting an engine to 100 hours. Both aircraft used variants of the Wright 3350. "If God had intended the Connie to operate on four engines, he would have given her five."

At the time USAF no longer re-built the big radials. We used civilian contractors.

Seems the age, rebuilding and reliability of these engines would be huge obstacle. I am afraid their time is passing.   


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12223 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 22732 times:

Quoting taxpilot (Reply 14):
At the time USAF no longer re-built the big radials. We used civilian contractors.

Seems the age, rebuilding and reliability of these engines would be huge obstacle. I am afraid their time is passing.

I'm afraid you are right. There are fewer and fewer of these companies, that are FAA certified, that can rebuild big radial engines.


User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 20770 times:
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Doc is apparently getting the hybrid 3350 - same as FiFi(?)

http://www.b-29doc.com/news.php



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User currently offlinetaxpilot From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 101 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 7 hours ago) and read 20469 times:

WOW! Amazing.

I hope this project succedes.


User currently offlinecptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 20191 times:

I should suppose that flight crew and maintenance training would one of the more minor worries (we won WWII with teenagers and twenty-somethings in the warbird front offices, no?), plus current CAF guys could be of great assistance.

Dollars large will be the real factor for success. The old saying "we can rebuild ANYTHING with an unlimited checkbook and a data plate" will probably ring true.

I wish them all success. Can you imagine seeing her formating with "FIFI", a couple of B-24s and B-17s. Now THAT would bring chills. best regards...jack

P.S. Anyone up to speed with Kermit Weeks' B-29 resto?



all best; jack
User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 18145 times:
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Goal for Doc: Oshkosh 2014!

"And that flight could come next year, according to some of the volunteer crew working to refurbish Doc in a borrowed Wichita hangar. Jeff Turner, chairman of the non­profit group Doc's Friends, said the goal of flying Doc to Oshkosh in 2014 is in sight, but as much as $2 million more needs to be raised to make it happen.



http://www.b-29doc.com/news.php



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User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 15253 times:
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Doc gets nacelles & props...

https://www.facebook.com/#!/DocsFriends?hc_location=stream



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User currently offlineSooner787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15169 times:

How cool would a flyby be with both Doc & Fifi be   

User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 15010 times:
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Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 21):


Goal for Doc is to get her to Oshkosh next year. I haven't seen FiFis schedule for next year but Oshkosh would seem to be a good bet for a meet.



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User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 12345 times:
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Doc gets some tail feathers..

https://www.facebook.com/#!/DocsFriends



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User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10492 times:
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Well maybe Oshkosh in 2015... 

We've waited this long...

http://youtu.be/WusXr33sRjQ



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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1778 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10421 times:

I came across a video of a flight in "Fifi" and it looked like the pilot was using an iPad for his maps. There's something so wrong about using modern electronics in a classic warbird - at least in my opinion.

Marc


User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (8 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9052 times:
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New video from Docs Friends:

http://youtu.be/Cjde12KPGog



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User currently offlinenomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (8 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9335 times:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...w-Wears-All-Four-Engines-amp-Props


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User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (6 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7677 times:
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I understand, with the flaps now installed, Doc is structurally complete....

http://youtu.be/wKD8eGyeMDw



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29908 posts, RR: 58
Reply 29, posted (6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7363 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 25):
There's something so wrong about using modern electronics in a classic warbird - at least in my opinion.

Well unfortunately there aren't a lot of four-course radio ranges to fly these days



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User currently offlinegrummancat From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6475 times:
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Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 21):
How cool would a flyby be with both Doc & Fifi be

Those Lancaster guys in the UK will have nothin' on us!   

Thinkin' they're so hot 'cause they got 2 Lancs now. Pah I say!


User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4471 times:
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Doc set to fly in the spring..

http://www.kansas.com/news/business/aviation/article4546947.html



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User currently offlinerlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (3 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4295 times:

The is kind of a silly comment from the atricle.

Quote:
Without today’s avionics that includes a Global Positioning System, it would be impossible to fly “unless you want to hire a navigator with an arm full of maps,” Norman said.



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User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2545 posts, RR: 10
Reply 33, posted (5 days 17 hours 58 minutes ago) and read 1146 times:

They should roll her out of the hangar today:

http://www.warbirdsnews.com/warbirds...perfortress-doc-rollout-today.html



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User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (5 days 14 hours 12 minutes ago) and read 1027 times:
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Woot, Woot!!

Video of rollout here:

http://youtu.be/xlsny7UBv2g



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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (5 days 13 hours 47 minutes ago) and read 989 times:

Very cool. I've been lucky enough to see Fifi fly and crawl through her, would be amazing to see Doc flying in person. I wish them well!


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User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (5 days 9 hours 43 minutes ago) and read 876 times:
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Roll out video from Docs Friends:

http://youtu.be/0VaSeXFnO5A



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12223 posts, RR: 51
Reply 37, posted (4 days 19 hours 50 minutes ago) and read 687 times:

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 36):
Roll out video from Docs Friends:http://youtu.be/0VaSeXFnO5A

According to AW&ST, "Doc" will fly later this year, possibly this summer. Taxi test will begin soon.

USAAF tail number #45-69972, I don't see her FAA registration tail # on her yet.

Here are pictures and the story:

http://aviationweek.com/bca/restored...cle_5#slide-0-field_images-1278221


User currently offlineLMP737 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 4711 posts, RR: 22
Reply 38, posted (4 days 10 hours 1 minute ago) and read 493 times:

The polished aluminum looks awesome! Can't wait to see her fly.


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