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Will Doc (B-29) Ever Fly?  
User currently offlineg38 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 229 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 24955 times:
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Considering what the CAF had to go through to get Fifi back in the air, and the delays that the Doc crew have so far experienced, do you think Doc will actually ever fly? I think it would be absolutely awesome if it did, but as always, with enough money you can do anything, and the project isn't getting any cheaper. Whats the current status? Last I heard, they were waiting on a hanger opening.

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User currently offlinesplitterz From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 24894 times:

I would love to see that bird in the air. History!

User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1107 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 24879 times:

One of the issues with flying the old metal is the aging of the pilot group that has any kind of experience in the airplanes.
The Airline History Museum in Kansas City is on the verge of getting the TWA Connie airworthy, but the retired pilots who used to fly it are getting up there, and some previously involved don't have any interest flying it anymore.

Russ Farris


User currently offlineg38 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 24821 times:
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But surely, younger pilots could be trained. Is this not possible, and what would this require?

User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 3546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 24521 times:
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Surely the CAF has a B-29 instructor/examiner that could get some pilots spun up for Doc. As for Doc itself I think it's only a matter of time and money before she flies...


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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 24407 times:

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 2):
The Airline History Museum in Kansas City is on the verge of getting the TWA Connie airworthy, but the retired pilots who used to fly it are getting up there, and some previously involved don't have any interest flying it anymore.

There is another Connie that is airworthy and flies - I'm sure they can arrange some sort of training/instruction?

It'll be nice to see another B-29 take to the skies again too.   I'd certainly like to photograph one in the air.  


User currently offlinenomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1881 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 24340 times:

Maybe they could visit Russia and look for some old TU-4 people.


Andy Goetsch
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12158 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 19 hours ago) and read 24277 times:

I thought 'Doc' had her engines mounted again? The pic g38 linked to shows her with the engines, cowlings, and wing attachments all removed and faired over with sheet metal.

Shouldn't be hard to getting pilots qualified to fly her when she is ready.


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 3546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 18691 times:
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Looks like some progress has been made. A group called Docs Friends has taken on the restoration project...

http://www.b-29doc.com/index.php



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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1597 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 18341 times:

Regarding pilots, I'd think that Boeing would be able to provide some flight instruction, albeit probably not pilots who ever flew a B-29. They designed and built it, so it makes sense, right?

Marc


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 18312 times:

Well the fact that the website has recent updates is a good sign.


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12158 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 17324 times:

It seems Doc is getting some needed funding to restart her restoration.

http://www.b-29doc.com/news.php

I saw FiFi flying a few years ago here in Fort Worth, truly an amazing site.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 2003, 14062 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 17257 times:

Quoting g38 (Reply 3):
But surely, younger pilots could be trained. Is this not possible, and what would this require?

The bottleneck seems to be not to be based on pilots but on qualified flight engineers. Those old piston prop liners kept the F/E quite busy.

Jan


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17091 times:

What happened to the B-29 that Boeing was restoring to flying condition out in Seattle?

User currently offlinetaxpilot From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 99 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 16976 times:

When I flew the C/EC121 (USAF Super Connie) in the 1970s , we only had a 50-50 chance of getting an engine to 100 hours. Both aircraft used variants of the Wright 3350. "If God had intended the Connie to operate on four engines, he would have given her five."

At the time USAF no longer re-built the big radials. We used civilian contractors.

Seems the age, rebuilding and reliability of these engines would be huge obstacle. I am afraid their time is passing.   


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12158 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 16872 times:

Quoting taxpilot (Reply 14):
At the time USAF no longer re-built the big radials. We used civilian contractors.

Seems the age, rebuilding and reliability of these engines would be huge obstacle. I am afraid their time is passing.

I'm afraid you are right. There are fewer and fewer of these companies, that are FAA certified, that can rebuild big radial engines.


User currently offlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 3546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14910 times:
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Doc is apparently getting the hybrid 3350 - same as FiFi(?)

http://www.b-29doc.com/news.php



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User currently offlinetaxpilot From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 99 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 14609 times:

WOW! Amazing.

I hope this project succedes.


User currently offlinecptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14331 times:

I should suppose that flight crew and maintenance training would one of the more minor worries (we won WWII with teenagers and twenty-somethings in the warbird front offices, no?), plus current CAF guys could be of great assistance.

Dollars large will be the real factor for success. The old saying "we can rebuild ANYTHING with an unlimited checkbook and a data plate" will probably ring true.

I wish them all success. Can you imagine seeing her formating with "FIFI", a couple of B-24s and B-17s. Now THAT would bring chills. best regards...jack

P.S. Anyone up to speed with Kermit Weeks' B-29 resto?



all best; jack
User currently offlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 3546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 12285 times:
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Goal for Doc: Oshkosh 2014!

"And that flight could come next year, according to some of the volunteer crew working to refurbish Doc in a borrowed Wichita hangar. Jeff Turner, chairman of the non­profit group Doc's Friends, said the goal of flying Doc to Oshkosh in 2014 is in sight, but as much as $2 million more needs to be raised to make it happen.



http://www.b-29doc.com/news.php



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User currently offlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 3546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9393 times:
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Doc gets nacelles & props...

https://www.facebook.com/#!/DocsFriends?hc_location=stream



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User currently offlineSooner787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9309 times:

How cool would a flyby be with both Doc & Fifi be   

User currently offlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 3546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9150 times:
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Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 21):


Goal for Doc is to get her to Oshkosh next year. I haven't seen FiFis schedule for next year but Oshkosh would seem to be a good bet for a meet.



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User currently offlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 3546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6485 times:
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Doc gets some tail feathers..

https://www.facebook.com/#!/DocsFriends



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User currently offlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 3546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4632 times:
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Well maybe Oshkosh in 2015... 

We've waited this long...

http://youtu.be/WusXr33sRjQ



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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1597 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4484 times:

I came across a video of a flight in "Fifi" and it looked like the pilot was using an iPad for his maps. There's something so wrong about using modern electronics in a classic warbird - at least in my opinion.

Marc


User currently offlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 3546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3127 times:
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New video from Docs Friends:

http://youtu.be/Cjde12KPGog



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User currently offlinenomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1881 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...w-Wears-All-Four-Engines-amp-Props


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User currently offlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 3546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 month 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1546 times:
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I understand, with the flaps now installed, Doc is structurally complete....

http://youtu.be/wKD8eGyeMDw



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 29, posted (1 month 20 hours ago) and read 1237 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 25):
There's something so wrong about using modern electronics in a classic warbird - at least in my opinion.

Well unfortunately there aren't a lot of four-course radio ranges to fly these days



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User currently offlinegrummancat From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (3 days 10 hours 56 minutes ago) and read 312 times:
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Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 21):
How cool would a flyby be with both Doc & Fifi be

Those Lancaster guys in the UK will have nothin' on us!   

Thinkin' they're so hot 'cause they got 2 Lancs now. Pah I say!


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