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New RAF A330 Mrtt As VIP Aircraft?  
User currently offlineBthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 506 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7117 times:

Many times there's been the discussion about why the British Government doesn't have a (decent size) dedicated VIP transport aircraft for politicians and the Royal Family blah blah blah

but...

with the RAF to receive over the next few years a new fleet of A330 MRTTs would it be conceivable that some could be adaptable for VIP transport? Surely it wouldn't be that hard to create sets of business style seats to replace the high density troop transport configurations when required? It's not like it would have to be a dedicated aircraft and military operations could take priority.

or another thought....could they retain one or two of the VC-10s or Tristars (probably Tristars) and convert them to VIP transports. Mike look a bit outdated but beats getting delayed on a scheduled flight!

[Edited 2011-04-29 14:12:45]

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User currently offlinedimik747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6838 times:

im not sure about the A330 MRTT, but i know that a number of countries have used regular 330s as VIP aircraft, and im not sure arriving in a tanker aircraft is much more glamorous than arriving on a commercial aircraft.

User currently offlineVHECA From Australia, joined May 2007, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6723 times:

I was under the impression that the MRTT with the RAAF will be used for long-distance VIP flights and other transport duties because of range and cabin arrangements.

A possibility with the RAF, perhaps.

Cheers

Vheca



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User currently offlinequeb From Canada, joined May 2010, 664 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6722 times:

The problem is that the A330 MRTT are owned by Air Tanker and leased to the RAF. On their website, there are no mentions on the possibility of transforming into VIP aircraft.

http://www.airtanker.co.uk/our-service/the-aircraft-kc30/roles


User currently offlineVHECA From Australia, joined May 2007, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6716 times:

Quoting queb (Reply 3):
The problem is that the A330 MRTT are owned by Air Tanker and leased to the RAF. On their website, there are no mentions on the possibility of transforming into VIP aircraft.

http://www.airtanker.co.uk/our-servi...roles



That would explain the difference between the RAF MRTT and the RAAF MRTT, then!

Cheers

Vheca



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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4798 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6692 times:

Quoting dimik747 (Reply 1):
im not sure arriving in a tanker aircraft is much more glamorous than arriving on a commercial aircraft.

Even a Globemaster III didn't look shabby.....   

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...comes-rafs-last-c-17-to-brize.html



Quoting queb (Reply 3):
On their website, there are no mentions on the possibility of transforming into VIP aircraft.

The first line in the link states the number of passengers presumably for the seating arrangement shown without the need for reconfiguration. Special kits could be ordered to transform a section of the cabin for VIP transport.



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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13186 posts, RR: 77
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6596 times:

They are considering extra roles, not VIP though;

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ble-isr-role-for-a330-tankers.html

The practice of mostly using chartered commercial will continue, for both political and Crown VIP's.


User currently offlineBthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6548 times:

Quoting GDB (Reply 6):

They are considering extra roles, not VIP though;

At some point in the future then maybe - the potential is there.

I have a feeling nothing will be done though until there is some security issue, by which time it might be too late...


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13186 posts, RR: 77
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6439 times:

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 7):
At some point in the future then maybe - the potential is there.

I have a feeling nothing will be done though until there is some security issue, by which time it might be too late...

Best thing then is a get a R/R powered A330-200 or two, ex airline, white tails, whatever. Fit secure comms, infra-red decoys, don't bother with tanker gear but use them for;
1) VIP if there is a heightened security issue for a charter.
2) Training for the tankers, thus making the most use of the actual tankers for their actual missions.
3) Provide a supplement to the general transport fleet / quick reaction airlift for casevac/disaster relief.

Not that they will, no doubt the crews will exhorted to do 'more with less', or some other buzz word they heard.


User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6226 times:

I think there's a rarely used KC-X prototype, engineless sitting in Toulouse that's available.  


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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4798 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6198 times:

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 9):
I think there's a rarely used KC-X prototype, engineless sitting in Toulouse that's available.

Yes. It'd be just too bad if this would go to waste.....maybe they could pass it on to their other tanker buyers.

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However, isn't the USAF compensating EADS for that prototype frame, or are they just writing it off as a lost bid expense?



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User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6035 times:

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 10):
However, isn't the USAF compensating EADS for that prototype frame, or are they just writing it off as a lost bid expense?

I don't think the U.S. Air Force owns that aircraft. EADS does. If anything, any "penalty" payments due (Which to my knowledge there aren't) are owed to Northrop, not Airbus. Remember, Airbus was the subcontractor then. Either way, that bird is just sitting there collecting dust, much like it's competitor's KC-767 prototype at Paine field. Heck, they even took the American-made GE engines off it!



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