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Aircraft Used In The Assault On Osama Bin Laden  
User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5608 posts, RR: 8
Posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 26788 times:

I know the aircraft weren't the star of the show, that honor belongs entirely to the Naval Special Warfare Development Group unit that took him out (and whom we should never know the identities of). But the aircraft and air support were a critical element in its success.

So far this morning I have read and/or heard that the attack team was inserted with helicopters and that there was additional fire support from A-10's during the assault. Additionally I would assume there were several drones used to provide imagery before the during the attack.

I wish I could provide links to support this but I can only say that I have heard this on various news channels this morning. I am trying to find more information but of course most news agencies don't care about this aspect yet.

My question is what was used and how? What type of helicopter, how many? How many drones and what types? How many aircraft total were used? Did the same ones that brought the team in bring them out?


So I am hoping we can compile, with your help, a solid picture of what was used and how it was used.

Thanks,
Tugg


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User currently offlineStudeDave From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 26818 times:

This story states that MH-60s were the helos used, and that one didn't make it back~

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_exclus...-secret-team-that-killed-bin-laden

That narrows it down, don't it...? I know- not really.




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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13210 posts, RR: 77
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 26755 times:

Whatever they were, when they are retired, stick them in the Smithsonian and other museums.

User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2754 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 26761 times:

Quoting GDB (Reply 2):
Whatever they were, when they are retired, stick them in the Smithsonian and other museums.

  

Very historical mission and moment.



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User currently offlineStudeDave From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 26760 times:

Now I find this story and mention of an CH-47~

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/inside...bin-laden/story?id=13506413&page=2

"One of the U.S. helicopters, a CH47 Chinook, was damaged but not destroyed during the operation,
and U.S. forces elected to destroy it themselves with explosives."

 Wow!    StudeDave



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User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 26743 times:

These are the guys that flew the mission...  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/160th_S..._Aviation_Regiment_(United_States)



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User currently offlinechuchoteur From France, joined Sep 2006, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 26706 times:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...hief-near-Islamabad-Paskistan.html

a third of the way down, they've got a pic of the tail rotor of the chopper that went down.
I'd be tempted to say it looks like an MH60 tail rotor? definitely not Chinook.

The story says they were under RPG fire.
If that really is the case, kudos to the pilot for getting down ok, and those guys on board must've had a hell of a ride!

Apparently they then had a mechanical issue and they burnt the chopper before evacuating on foot... pretty active evening by anybody's book!

[Edited 2011-05-02 11:27:09]

User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2930 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 26602 times:

Quoting chuchoteur (Reply 6):

a third of the way down, they've got a pic of the tail rotor of the chopper that went down.
I'd be tempted to say it looks like an MH60 tail rotor? definitely not Chinook.

The stabilizers are in the wrong place for an SH-60. Looks like part of an MI-8/17. US SOF owns them, and would draw less attention since the Pakistanis do too. http://www.strategypage.com/military...photos/20100612472.aspx?comments=Y

Not a CH-46/47/53 either. hrrrm.



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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4840 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 26419 times:

Quoting tugger (Thread starter):
How many drones and what types? How many aircraft total were used?

The DEW Line suggests the RQ-170 Sentinel .....

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/

Quote:
"The killing of Osama bin Laden reportedly included a starring role for the Lockheed Martin RQ-170 Sentinel -- the stealth unmanned aircraft system (UAS) acknowledged to exist by the US Air Force on 16 months ago.

The National Journal's Marc Ambinder got the scoop about 1am this morning, when he tweeted: 'US Joint Special Operations Command SMU -- from DEVGRU (Navy SEALs), did the shooting. RQ-170 drone overhead. JSOC spotters on ground'."


[Edited 2011-05-02 13:40:18]


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User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2323 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 26236 times:

Quoting tugger (Thread starter):
I know the aircraft weren't the star of the show

This is A.net...it's always about the airplanes!  



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User currently offlineBthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 26111 times:

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 7):
The stabilizers are in the wrong place for an SH-60. Looks like part of an MI-8/17. US SOF owns the

definitely not an mi-8 - stabilizer is far too large. Looks lot more like H-60 as their the only ones that have a stabilizer that large and square I can think of. Am having a hard time working out the orientation of the aircraft though   


User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2930 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 26061 times:

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 10):
definitely not an mi-8 - stabilizer is far too large. Looks lot more like H-60 as their the only ones that have a stabilizer that large and square I can think of. Am having a hard time working out the

I can't say for sure, but the top of the tail fin of the MH-60 is rounded, not flat. It also has a nav light.strobe that is missing on this aircraft. The H-60 series stabilizers also have 2 cutouts at the rear on each side for handles. Most also have a deicing boot on the vertical fin which the crashed aircraft lacks.



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12569 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 25843 times:
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The BBC news was reporting that a total of 4 helos were used - 2 x CH-47s & 2 x H-60s (of some model). The Chinooks carried ground troops who were dropped in and setup a perimeter around the compond. The two Blackhawks dropped the special forces onto the roof of the main compound building.

It was reported that one of the H-60s collided with the compound wall and was destroyed on the ground by the team before they left. It may or may not have been brought down by RPG fire.



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User currently offlinedragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 25558 times:

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 10):
Looks lot more like H-60 as their the only ones that have a stabilizer that large and square I can think of. Am having a hard time working out the orientation of the aircraft though
Quoting Spacepope (Reply 11):
but the top of the tail fin of the MH-60 is rounded
Quoting Spacepope (Reply 11):
The H-60 series stabilizers also have 2 cutouts at the rear on each side for handles.

Leaning towards H-60 as well. The large flat spot you see at the top of the tail (bottom of wreck in pic) is actually a piece of glass leaned against the wreckage. I think the rounded cowl and tail light are hidden by it. Not sure about the stab handles, could be the angle and light. There also should be some form lights at the ends of the stab, although not sure if the Army has them installed on every aircraft.



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4833 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 25465 times:

Quoting StudeDave (Reply 4):

"One of the U.S. helicopters, a CH47 Chinook, was damaged but not destroyed during the operation,
and U.S. forces elected to destroy it themselves with explosives."

The article said a blackhawk (not chinook).
Seems a waste unless the helo was badly damaged! surely one of the chinooks could have airlifted the damaged blackhawk (they can do this).



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User currently offlineBthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 25463 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 14):
surely one of the chinooks could have airlifted the damaged blackhawk (they can do this).

Probably not at sure notice with fuel, equipment etc.


User currently offlinemax550 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 25452 times:

What would have caused the stall? The only thing I've read was that it was caused by a lack of air because of the high walls of the compound. What type of stall would that be? I know very little about helicopter dynamics so I apologize if any of that doesn't make sense.

User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2323 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 25454 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 14):
Seems a waste unless the helo was badly damaged! surely one of the chinooks could have airlifted the damaged blackhawk (they can do this).

You're in the middle of an op, at night, somewhere in "Indian Country", and one of your helos goes down. Are you going to stop to determine the extent of damage, connect a sling (assuming they even have the equipment with them...) and lift it - assuming you have the capacity to lift a broken bird while carrying the guys from it out as well...while worrying about someone shooting at you? Or are you going to blow it up, load everyone up on the remaining birds and beat feet?

[Edited 2011-05-03 05:08:08]


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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4833 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 25431 times:

Quoting moose135 (Reply 17):

You're in the middle of an op, at night, somewhere in "Indian Country", and one of your helos goes down. Are you going to stop to determine the extent of damage, connect a sling (assuming they even have the equipment with them...) and lift it - assuming you have the capacity to lift a broken bird while carrying the guys from it out as well...while worrying about someone shooting at you? Or are you going to blow it up, load everyone up on the remaining birds and beat feet?

It was hardly Afghanistan or even the Pakistan lawless border region... once the AQ threat in the compound was taken out, the fact that it was a compound would have provided protection from outside attacks. If it was too much for the helos then guarding it for an half an hour whilst one lot of SEALs is airlifted to a safe zone to allow the helo to return empty/or another empty helo deployed would surely make sense.... Blackhawks ain't cheap and the US has lost enough of them already! Average flyaway price is apparently US$44m and these are SEAL birds with extra gear most likely so closer to $50m... Sure you can't put a price on life, but its a risky job and once the compound was secure, they could have surely kept it that way for at least a brief period of time... After all the US Federal deficit is how much? $#,###,000,000,000 and overall debt 10x that!



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User currently offlinemax550 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 25423 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 18):
It was hardly Afghanistan or even the Pakistan lawless border region... once the AQ threat in the compound was taken out, the fact that it was a compound would have provided protection from outside attacks. If it was too much for the helos then guarding it for an half an hour whilst one lot of SEALs is airlifted to a safe zone to allow the helo to return empty/or another empty helo deployed would surely make sense.... Blackhawks ain't cheap and the US has lost enough of them already! Average flyaway price is apparently US$44m and these are SEAL birds with extra gear most likely so closer to $50m... Sure you can't put a price on life, but its a risky job and once the compound was secure, they could have surely kept it that way for at least a brief period of time... After all the US Federal deficit is how much? $#,###,000,000,000 and overall debt 10x that!

We were removing a person from a sovereign nation and I don't believe the complex was ever fully secured from the Pakistani military. I would much rather they blow it up and lose the $100million or whatever it is instead of risking a failure. The last thing we need is a helicopter going down and messing things up (see Iran and Somalia).
This is probably a discussion for another thread though.

Does anyone know what caused the stall?


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2131 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 25388 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 18):
Blackhawks ain't cheap and the US has lost enough of them already!

Specially Special Ops Blackhawks. However, for operations like this, the helicopters (and maybe even the troops are expendable if you can achieve your objectives).

Trying to save a helicopter would be a foolish move if the Pakistani jets have been scrambled. Sure, we can shoot down those jets, but then we would have to pay the Pakistani to replace those jets  

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User currently offlinechuchoteur From France, joined Sep 2006, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 25317 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 18):
It was hardly Afghanistan or even the Pakistan lawless border region...

... so you've just dropped in unannounced on a sovereign nation's territory, 100 yards from one of their biggest military establishments, in the middle of a garrison town.

You've proceeded to blow up a compound and found a neat little firefight with some bad guys... the last thing you want is to hang around until the next door neighbors have organised themselves and decided to close that 100 yards and investigate the noise...  
Quoting bikerthai (Reply 20):
Trying to save a helicopter would be a foolish move if the Pakistani jets have been scrambled.

Quick entrance, quick exit, leave the paperwork to someone else. Besides, they didn't have to pay that prize money in the end, so it goes some way to offset the helicopter?


User currently offlineBladeLWS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 25143 times:

Equipment can be replaced, men and the mission cannot. Standing around even one more minute then that had to only increases the chances or another downed bird or men killed. The right decison was made.

User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2930 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 25173 times:



Uhm..... wtf?



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User currently offlinedragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 25132 times:

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 23):
Uhm..... wtf?

Interesting. This one of those Dale Brown stories?



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25 StudeDave : Really? In my 20 years of Naval Aviation Maintenance (13 years or so on H-60s) I NEVER saw any such thing. I doubt the ARMY/AF/USCG have it either. I
26 Post contains links Spacepope : Even if the thing was based on the UH-60, it is super highly modified. Cat's out of the bag on this new thing. Guess i'll have to be worried about th
27 dragon6172 : It actually looks somewhat familiar to me... but I am not sure where I have seen the image.
28 StudeDave : Nope- the tail driveshaft lives under there. That panel is hinged on one side, and is easily removed as well. It's more fun when you're bouncing arou
29 Post contains images tugger : Yep! Of that there is no doubt! "Great job!!!! Osama is dead!... now tell us about the aircraft you used..." That is very odd looking, I cannot yet m
30 StudeDave : Looking a bit closer at the pictures that have been posted- I am not gonna say what I wanna say... StudeDave [Edited 2011-05-03 10:41:54]
31 Post contains links Spacepope : AvWeek has come out and said what I've been thinking: Stealth helos. Probably a super H-60 derivative. http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs...=blogScr
32 Post contains images spudh : Hmm, forward swept tail planes, five bladed tail rotor with a stealth cover on a fat fuselage?? I think we've got a live one here. This is going to b
33 tugger : Well changing from the 4-blade tail rotor to a 5 or 6 blade rotor allows it to run at a slower speed and decreases its noise. Wouldn't be surprised t
34 Bthebest : Definitely looks like that. Will be very interesting to find out the true identity.
35 Post contains images spudh : I've no problem sayin it After all, if you're going to bury several billion into a procurement for the VH 71 and then cancel it, surely you're going
36 spudh : I think the fuselage is too fat to be a H-60 derivative, its someting bigger.
37 Bthebest : What other helos have a horizontal stabiliser like the H-60?
38 StudeDave : That wasn't what I was gonna say, but it's just as good!!! Now here's a random thought~ if indeed this was some sort of 'stealth' bird why also send
39 bikerthai : I was going to ask this. I heard somewhere that the H-47 was for the Rangers that were to secure the area outside of the compound (in case trouble ca
40 bikerthai : The Israelis also took this into account at Entebbe and made sure there was a team to stop the Uganda forces from entering the airport as they rescue
41 Post contains images canoecarrier : Someone else did the work on this, so I can't take credit. I've not seen this before. Very interesting...by the way, how come they don't use NOTAR co
42 BladeLWS : Quite interesting. Note the lack of rivets and inspection plates, also no markings of any kind. She's a black project of some type, maybe took over fu
43 Zkpilot : Um... the Pakistan Military is supposed to be allied with America... Sure they are corrupt and some of them are helping the Taliban/AQ etc but there'
44 BladeLWS : Thermal signature? Would not do well to have a blow torch flying out the back end for a SAM to see.
45 tugger : The "duct" glows in infrared.... with open rotor there is not "tip friction". Tugg
46 Post contains images bikerthai : I suspect that the more sensitive equipment would have been the electronic equipment inside the aircraft. Those items would have had their encryption
47 TPAJAY : Guys Guys..... It's just a weather balloon, nothing to see here, just move on, move on! On a side note, someone might want to tell the Pentagon that t
48 yanqui67 : What I would like to know is why the media is not asking questions about this "black helo". I would love to hear how they will spin this....
49 Post contains images scbriml : Because the average media can't tell an Airbus 737 from a Boeing A380 Superjumbo?
50 TaromA380 : Seems like a particular hardware. Now it make more sense to destroy it on the place. Destroying a classical BlackHawk on pakistani soil (and in the mi
51 bjorn14 : I'm just curious about the operational range of the Blackhawks. They said the helos took off from JAA and then went to the target and then deposited O
52 ThePointblank : Probably in-flight refueling from a MC-130. Or they created a forward operating base to refuel from.
53 chuchoteur : ... it was a return trip from across the border. The body was examined and stored over there, then transferred to the Carl Vinson from what i understo
54 laddb : In my limited experience with classified projects, the software and algorithms are much more valuable than the hardware it resides on.
55 flybulldog : Someone with some good graphic skills should mock-up a Blackhawk that has the angles of the Apache.
56 highlander0 : It's a tantalising taste and I can tell you this... ... I. want. to. see. more. of. it! Edit: According to a poster on PPRuNe, there was a BBC article
57 MD11Engineer : Acc. to an USAF maintenance manual I have access to even back in the 1950s the IFF transponder used on the T-33 (and many other American aircraft) ha
58 Post contains images Spacepope : New photo:
59 LMP737 : I would put my money on noise as well.
60 holzmann : $100 says that the ChiComs already have possession of that tail section.
61 Post contains links andydtwnwa7 : Fox is now running a story on it, with a few new pictures as well: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/05...en-dead-usama-bin-ladens-compound/
62 mham001 : I was thinking the Chinese are probably swarming the area to buy whatever souvenirs the locals picked up like they did in the Balkens. The Pakistanis
63 Post contains links andydtwnwa7 : And it looks like here's our answer. A heavily modified MH-60. "The helicopter’s low-observable technology is similar to that of the F-117 Stealth F
64 Confuscius : They should sell it to EADS.
65 Post contains links and images MCIGuy : I found a pic of what it might look like compared to a conventional Blackhawk:
66 Post contains links osteogenesis : Spiegel has it today as the top story on its web page: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,760743,00.html (Sorry only in German) Bye the way.
67 faro : So we have a new black project aircraft! What surprises is that they should use it in a risky attack in a foreign country. Tells you the priority they
68 columba : I guess it was not the first time they used it....only the first something went wrong.
69 spudh : Looks good and looks like I was wrong about it being bigger than the H-60. I assume the jet exhaust is ducted back to the tail for mixing with cold a
70 Spacepope : Bingo. They're going to have to come clean about it now, but who knows how long they have used it so far. Looks like they lost one doing the precise
71 Post contains images DEVILFISH : Hehehe.....that tail section looks like a mini helo with stub wings. .....the dark part could be the cockpit windshield above a stealthy nose. Remind
72 Post contains images spudh : Ok, you are right, there's lots of conjecture but it does have a fat (or maybe tall) section to the tail which the MH 60 does not. We can theorise ab
73 bikerthai : Caution! "Blunt" doesn't necessarily means planar. There may be some 2D contour to the end of the stabilizer that is sufficient to deflect radar sign
74 canoecarrier : By the way, why wouldn't they I thought I read somewhere that the refueling probe has a significant radar signature. I know some aircraft have retract
75 Post contains images Ferpe : As I have written in another thread on the military forum stealth does not mean you absorb the radar signal (this is extreemly cumbersome to do), you
76 boacvc10 : Can we assume that is has the capability of, or actually is, a carrier based aircraft? Would any recent photo of the U.S.S. Carl Vinson show this spe
77 Spacepope : I'm just taking a conservative approach here and saying that we have seen no evidence for the presence of a probe. Who knows how many of these facete
78 Post contains images MCIGuy : Isn't it safe to assume that no Chinooks were involved if they were using this new stealth chopper? I mean, the Chinook is a lot of things but it ain'
79 Post contains links mham001 : Supposedly a Chinook was brought in as the backup. The same article claimed they both went straight to the USS Vinson which I read here is simply not
80 mffoda : Negative... It is almost certainly an ARMY aircraft from the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (Airborne). They support all services SOF's..
81 ptrjong : It makes no sense I think. It's probably just an erroneous assumption by someone. Journalists need to look at maps more.
82 Post contains images MCIGuy : Well, I'm betting they headed back west into Afghanistan as soon they were wheels up, then probably south to Vinson. I wouldn't be surprised if a cou
83 tugger : I am certain that you will not find photos of these on the decks of a carriers. They would be kept below decks at all times and only move at night. T
84 foxxray : Well, interesting design for this tail rotor... But if it's really a new stealth helicopter project, i don't see the point to use it along with a Chin
85 Post contains images mffoda : Well, One possible scenario... could be to allow the assault force to get inside the OBJ (objective) quietly, and then have the various support units
86 Post contains images foxxray : Interesting scenario
87 gulfstream650 : Because this aircraft probably went in first and the chinook was probably standing off at a holding point waiting for the order (if required) to move
88 Post contains images mffoda : Did you just plagiarize my post: Reply 85?? Definition of PLAGIARIZE transitive verb : to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's
89 N328KF : The helos in question were already attributed to SOAR by multiple administration officials, including Panetta. The fact that MH-47s were involved jus
90 tugger : Most recent interesting tid bit that I just heard/learned is that these stealth-copters have main rotors with unevenly spaced blades. This reduces the
91 Newark727 : So what brought it down? The official version of events seems to change every day... Latest account didn't make it sound like there was a great deal o
92 mffoda : I'm not quit sure what you are tying to say... Are you confirming what I said... Or are you are you speculating that the US Navy has their own SOF Av
93 EMBQA : The pilot landed on top of a wall.....
94 gulfstream650 : I hadn't clicked on the refresh button when I posted.
95 N328KF : AFSOC had MH-53 Pave Low III/IVs, and now have CV-22s. Other USAF units have Pave Hawks, as well. I'm sure I'm missing somebody. The point is that SO
96 gatorman96 : Yup, it seems the pilot tried to set her down too quickly or the thinner caused it to descend faster than planned and it ended up severing its tail o
97 Post contains links chuchoteur : http://cencio4.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/mh-x4-new.jpg updated extrapolation of what it may look like. Wouldn't mind having one of those...
98 dragon6172 : I read a report that said one helo was to land/fast rope its team into the court yard and the other was to drop its team on the roof of the house. I
99 Post contains links and images bikerthai : Could all these modification impact the performance of the helicopter? Making it perform less than a typical UH-60 under hot and high condition? As r
100 Post contains links bikerthai : This seems to be the most believable reason why the helicopter went down. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...t-mechanics-in-bin-laden-raid.html "A
101 328JET : Hey, that would make a great german CSAR helicopter...!
102 Post contains images aeroweanie : Go look at the cooling fan on your car. It will have unevenly spaced blades. By not having the blades pass a point at even intervals of time, the noi
103 Post contains images bikerthai : And I thought it was just GM workmanship You're never old enough to learn something new . . . bikerthai
104 woodsboy : Regarding the alleged "stealth" capability of this UH-60 variant.....the Blackhawk is a design that dates from the early 70s and as I can see has suff
105 474218 : Lets see, U-2's over the USSR in the 1950's. A-12's over China and North Korea in the 1960's. SR-71's over the Middle East in the 1970's. F-117's ove
106 MCIGuy : I'm thinking this is exactly the type of mission that such an aircraft was developed for.
107 Sinlock : Don't forget the F-177A was first used over seas in Panama during Operation Just Cause in 1989.
108 dragon6172 : The assumption is there were TWO stealth helos, one that crashed. You have to think of stealth in its more broad meaning: "to proceed secretly or imp
109 canoecarrier : I heard somewhere there were around 70 soldiers/sailors involved in the raid. I wouldn't be surprised if the initial SEAL team came in on a couple of
110 Post contains links Revelation : The UH-60 is now on it's third generation UH-60A -> UH-60L -> UH-60M: Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_UH-60_Black_Hawk Before just c
111 canoecarrier : You know that's almost exactly how a bicycle crankset works. If you look at the crankset, although not optimized for noise, the teeth on the crankset
112 bikerthai : Your assumption that the Chinook did not have features to reduce its noise signature may be flawed. Just because the CH-47 may be beasts and may not
113 Post contains images mffoda : Hello all... I've been gone several days and havn't been able to reply... (My nephew just commissioned as a 2LT... I know its disgusting but he has to
114 cargotanker : I may not understand you clearly, but the USAF did fly many operational spec ops missions in their MH-53Js (and earlier models) from the late 80s unt
115 Spacepope : I think it's silly to assume that, since there is absolutely no evidence for silent/modded Chinooks whatsoever. Chinnoks can be fairly quiet at low l
116 Post contains images bikerthai : And before the raid, most of us here would be silly to assume that there was a "Stealth UH-60" in existence. bikerthai[Edited 2011-05-10 11:27:00]
117 Post contains links Flighty : http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/osama-...hints-china-peak/story?id=13570573 As should be obvious, China wants a look at the modified aircraft wreckage,
118 Post contains images mffoda : No, Sorry if I wasn't clear enough... The MH-53J was the exception to my 160th SOAR comments... I am aware of the many missions that the aircraft per
119 caliatenza : wonderful lol. But can they really glean much from just a tail section?
120 Post contains links and images dlednicer : They weren't USMC Slicks! They were US Navy RH-53Ds, which had T64-GE-415 engines rated at 4380 hp. The USMC CH-53Ds only had T64-GE-413 engines rate
121 Post contains links canoecarrier : Thanks for the abstract, but like most scientific links I didn't get much out of it because its...just an abstract. This is a more direct link: http:
122 Post contains links EA CO AS : A co-worker of mine lost a son in Afghanistan a few years back, and he happened to be a pilot for the US Army "Night Stalkers." According to her, he'd
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